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Post by DrTorch on Sept 19, 2017 18:57:59 GMT -5
One mans trash, is another mans treausre. Haskins made a few throws, that doesn't prove anything against Army late in the 4th quarter. I want to see him against the cream of the crop, then I'll be sold. I beg to differ people knew about Troy, he had some issues that held him back too let's not forget. All in all, JT is the best option we have. sold on what? that the worst he can do is score 1 less TD vs "the Cream" than Barrett did against Clemson and Oklahoma this calendar year? that is a pretty low floor sir, exactly what is the risk again in starting Haskins? we might get beat 31-9 instead of 31-16?
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Post by Birdman on Sept 19, 2017 19:34:59 GMT -5
How much do you hate Barrett?
Sold that Haskins is the better option between the two. You're right about one thing, we won't know if he can do a better job unless he gets in. I just doubt he ever gets in.
Are you blaming Barrett alone for the last two losses?? We can all agree that he has been anything but good, but to point in the direction that we could have won those games or lost by a smaller margin with someone else in there. I dunno about that one.
Might be hard to believe, Clemson hands down the better team last year. Oklahoma this year, had the better QB, WR's and defense. They made the stops when they needed too, we didn't.
I think Haskins would be in over his heads against the likes of PSU, Iowa, TTUN, and others.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 20:24:09 GMT -5
The semi-finals were on Dec 31st. Second time you've made that mistake Torch
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Post by galion on Sept 20, 2017 7:47:07 GMT -5
So if we traded qb's with Okl or Clemson do you really think that the results of those games would have even been similar?
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 20, 2017 8:32:21 GMT -5
but to point in the direction that we could have won those games or lost by a smaller margin with someone else in there. I dunno about that one. Huh? Barrett (19-35) 183 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT Mayfield (27-35) 386 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT Switch each teams QB and OSU blows out Oklahoma. If OSU played Haskins, OSU would have had a shot vs Oklahoma
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 20, 2017 10:16:59 GMT -5
The semi-finals were on Dec 31st. Second time you've made that mistake Torch i stand corrected
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 20, 2017 10:19:27 GMT -5
How much do you hate Barrett? Sold that Haskins is the better option between the two. You're right about one thing, we won't know if he can do a better job unless he gets in. I just doubt he ever gets in. Are you blaming Barrett alone for the last two losses?? We can all agree that he has been anything but good, but to point in the direction that we could have won those games or lost by a smaller margin with someone else in there. I dunno about that one. Might be hard to believe, Clemson hands down the better team last year. Oklahoma this year, had the better QB, WR's and defense. They made the stops when they needed too, we didn't. I think Haskins would be in over his heads against the likes of PSU, Iowa, TTUN, and others. i don't hate any amateur athlete, i just don't think Barrett is untouchable and i think his play has warranted that Haskins and Burrows (when healthy) get some meaningful snaps
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 20, 2017 10:56:47 GMT -5
The semi-finals were on Dec 31st. Second time you've made that mistake Torch i stand corrected Yep, thanks to this new rotating playoff schedule that moves some of the bowls back and forth from NYE and NYD, we have this interesting scenario where it can correctly be said that Ohio State went 1-1 in the 2016 Fiesta Bowl and MSU went 1-1 in the 2015 Cotton Bowl
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Post by Birdman on Sept 20, 2017 19:29:26 GMT -5
How much do you hate Barrett? Sold that Haskins is the better option between the two. You're right about one thing, we won't know if he can do a better job unless he gets in. I just doubt he ever gets in. Are you blaming Barrett alone for the last two losses?? We can all agree that he has been anything but good, but to point in the direction that we could have won those games or lost by a smaller margin with someone else in there. I dunno about that one. Might be hard to believe, Clemson hands down the better team last year. Oklahoma this year, had the better QB, WR's and defense. They made the stops when they needed too, we didn't. I think Haskins would be in over his heads against the likes of PSU, Iowa, TTUN, and others. i don't hate any amateur athlete, i just don't think Barrett is untouchable and i think his play has warranted that Haskins and Burrows (when healthy) get some meaningful snaps Now that I agree with!!
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 25, 2017 8:30:01 GMT -5
vs UNLV
JT threw 1 ball away JT was 1-1 on balls thrown behind the line of scrimmage, 1 TD JT was 5-7 on balls thrown 0-9 yards downfield, 3 TD JT was 6-7 on balls thrown 10-19 yards downfield, 1 TD JT was 0-1 on balls thrown 20-29 yards downfield
JT was 1-3 on balls thrown 15+ yards downfield JT's 12 completions went 79 yards downfield with 130 YAC for 209 overall JT's avg completion was 6.5 yards downfield
JT this year JT is 58-67 on balls thrown 9 yards or less JT is 18-45 on balls thrown 10+ yards downfield JT is 5-27 on balls thrown 15+ yards downfield JT's avg completion has been caught 4.7 yards downfield
Haskins this year Haskins is 3-5 on balls thrown 15+ yards downfield
Haskins avg completion has been caught 8.5 yards downfield
Big kuddos to JT Barrett on throwing more balls 10+ yards downfield than behind the line of scrimmage this game. He's still struggling on the 15+ yard throws going 1-3 this game, taking his season total to 5-27 on such throws.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 28, 2017 11:40:14 GMT -5
Nothing about INTs as a % off passes thrown??? What ALL coaches fear the most.
If a team is on the 10-15 yard line how can a TD pass of 20+ yards down field be thrown?
30% of JT's school record TD passes were thrown 20+ yards down field.
The cudo should go to those calling the plays. As bubble screens, swing passes and short crossing routes were a HUGE part of Wilson's offense at Indiana, a middle of the pack Big Ten football program.
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Post by baldref on Sept 28, 2017 18:35:57 GMT -5
Willie is spot on. Not in wilson's offensive scheme forvmany reasons, including osu's young receivers and JT's slow release. Not much long downfield. May score on a 50-60 yard pass play but actual pass will go no more than 15-20 yards
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 28, 2017 19:01:18 GMT -5
someone forgot to tell Haskins that
the most important stat on offense is YPA
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Post by tommygunn on Sept 28, 2017 20:58:03 GMT -5
JT's stats rely solely on players doing a ton of YAC. Haskins, different story.
Its never JT, its the rest of the team, lol. JT is AVERAGE at best.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 29, 2017 7:51:30 GMT -5
JT's stats rely solely on players doing a ton of YAC. Haskins, different story. Its never JT, its the rest of the team, lol. JT is AVERAGE at best. +1 vs Indiana JT threw the ball for 77 yards, the receivers gave him 227 YAC for 304 overall vs Army JT threw the ball for 63 yards, the receivers gave him 207 YAC for 270 overall vs UNLV JT threw the ball for 79 yards, the receivers gave him 130 YAC for 209 overall ^^^ When playing against 0, 1 & 2 star players it's easy for OSU's 4 & 5 star receivers to light them up after JT throws a pass 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage and they turn it into a 50+ yard reception. Now vs equal competition. Oklahoma who also has 4 & 5 star players. 4 & 5 star DB's can tackle 4 & 5 star receivers, not a lot of YAC in those games vs Oklahoma JT threw for 133 yards, the receivers gave him 49 YAC for 182 overall. <--- And this is why JT is a horrible QB. JT can't throw downfield and relies solely on receivers getting him tons of YAC. A good QB throws it 25 yards downfield on a rope and gets 5 yards of YAC. JT can't throw it 25 yards, he can't even throw it 15+ he's a measly (5-27) on balls thrown 15+ yards downfield. Alabama, Clemson, Michigan, Oklahoma, etc the big boys do not give up 200+ yards of YAC in a game. So to get yards passing one needs a QB with a college level arm, not an 8th grade noodle arm like JT Barrett IV. Haskins throws like a real QB. DH on the year has thrown the ball 161 yards downfield and has 113 YAC JT on the year has thrown the ball 352 yards downfield and has 613 YAC I'm so looking forward to watching OSU when JTIV is watching instead on playing. He holds this team back with his noodle arm. JT 'noodle arm' Barrett IV is a measly (5-27) on passes thrown 15+ yards downfield. Dwayne 'real arm' Haskins is (3-5) on passes thrown 15+ yards downfield.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 29, 2017 8:05:31 GMT -5
I can't wait til the Red Viper of Vegas hits the field, now that will be fun.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 29, 2017 12:15:30 GMT -5
I can't wait til the Red Viper of Vegas hits the field, now that will be fun. I get the feeling, even more increasingly, Tate Martell may find himself the victim of the odd man out, on a roster loaded with highly talented QB's. Especially with the emergence of Emory Jones next year.
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Post by mcm1019 on Sept 29, 2017 12:27:30 GMT -5
Actually just read an article on ESPN about colleges trying to flip recruits, and Emory Jones was one of those mentioned.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 29, 2017 12:46:08 GMT -5
I can't wait til the Red Viper of Vegas hits the field, now that will be fun. I get the feeling, even more increasingly, Tate Martell may find himself the victim of the odd man out, on a roster loaded with highly talented QB's. Especially with the emergence of Emory Jones next year. it is possible, and that is hard to believe...but i am a believer i think there is a good chance he starts as a redshirt JR
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 29, 2017 13:34:29 GMT -5
I get the feeling, even more increasingly, Tate Martell may find himself the victim of the odd man out, on a roster loaded with highly talented QB's. Especially with the emergence of Emory Jones next year. it is possible, and that is hard to believe...but i am a believer i think there is a good chance he starts as a redshirt JR If that becomes the case, Tate will have won a great battle for the position. Hoping you are right.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 30, 2017 1:52:25 GMT -5
JT's stats rely solely on players doing a ton of YAC. Haskins, different story. Its never JT, its the rest of the team, lol. JT is AVERAGE at best. Not a different story. Haskins hasn't thrown it 20 yards down field. The only true comparison was UNLV when they both played a half. Haskins completed 64%, Barrett 70%. Haskins averaged 14.6/completion, Barrett 17/completion. Haskins had 2 TDs passes, Barrett had 5 TD passes. Haskins had 1 INT, Barrett had 0 INTs. Haskins was sacked 2 times, Barrett was sacked 1 time. Anyone saying if QBs were swapped in the Clemson game, if Haskins would have played in the Oklahoma game Ohio State would have won, is guessing are lying. If they are sure why are they wasting their time here. They should be in Vegas becoming billionaires.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 30, 2017 7:13:54 GMT -5
JT's stats rely solely on players doing a ton of YAC. Haskins, different story. Its never JT, its the rest of the team, lol. JT is AVERAGE at best. Not a different story. Haskins hasn't thrown it 20 yards down field. The only true comparison was UNLV when they both played a half. Haskins completed 64%, Barrett 70%. Haskins averaged 14.6/completion, Barrett 17/completion. Haskins had 2 TDs passes, Barrett had 5 TD passes. Haskins had 1 INT, Barrett had 0 INTs. Haskins was sacked 2 times, Barrett was sacked 1 time. Anyone saying if QBs were swapped in the Clemson game, if Haskins would have played in the Oklahoma game Ohio State would have won, is guessing are lying. If they are sure why are they wasting their time here. They should be in Vegas becoming billionaires. I blocked you because of your constant fabrication of stats. I decided to click on the "Display Post" just to see what nonsense you were writing and what do I find. You making up stats. Is that all you do? You said Haskins hasn't thrown it 20 yards downfield. 2nd quarter vs UNLV - Haskins threw it 26 yards downfield to Saunders, 2 YAC for a 28 yard TD pass - Did you not see that play? Or will you tell us you thought it was JT Barrett and not Haskins 4th quarter vs UNLV - Haskins threw it 37 yards downfield to Saunders, 13 YAC for a 50 yard completion - Did you not see that play? Or will you tell us you thought it was JT Barrett and not Haskins I stopped reading after 10 words of your post. You made up stats in those 10 words and I just proved it above. Never again will I 'Display post' to see what drivel you wrote. I just hope everyone knows you are a liar that makes up stats in thin air. On throws 15+ yards downfield this year Barrett (5-27) Haskins (3-5) Burrow (1-1) So in other words Barrett (5-27) anybody else that's thrown it that far on the team (4-6). Barrett has a noodle arm and holds this team back. On throws 20+ yards downfield this year Barrett (2-15) Haskins (2-3)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 7:29:41 GMT -5
Fabrication, it's been going on for years. Between that and spinning the blocking feature has been a nice feature to this new site.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 30, 2017 14:30:40 GMT -5
Not a different story. Haskins hasn't thrown it 20 yards down field. The only true comparison was UNLV when they both played a half. Haskins completed 64%, Barrett 70%. Haskins averaged 14.6/completion, Barrett 17/completion. Haskins had 2 TDs passes, Barrett had 5 TD passes. Haskins had 1 INT, Barrett had 0 INTs. Haskins was sacked 2 times, Barrett was sacked 1 time. Anyone saying if QBs were swapped in the Clemson game, if Haskins would have played in the Oklahoma game Ohio State would have won, is guessing are lying. If they are sure why are they wasting their time here. They should be in Vegas becoming billionaires. I blocked you because of your constant fabrication of stats. I decided to click on the "Display Post" just to see what nonsense you were writing and what do I find. You making up stats. Is that all you do? You said Haskins hasn't thrown it 20 yards downfield. 2nd quarter vs UNLV - Haskins threw it 26 yards downfield to Saunders, 2 YAC for a 28 yard TD pass - Did you not see that play? Or will you tell us you thought it was JT Barrett and not Haskins 4th quarter vs UNLV - Haskins threw it 37 yards downfield to Saunders, 13 YAC for a 50 yard completion - Did you not see that play? Or will you tell us you thought it was JT Barrett and not Haskins I stopped reading after 10 words of your post. You made up stats in those 10 words and I just proved it above. Never again will I 'Display post' to see what drivel you wrote. I just hope everyone knows you are a liar that makes up stats in thin air. On throws 15+ yards downfield this year Barrett (5-27) Haskins (3-5) Burrow (1-1) So in other words Barrett (5-27) anybody else that's thrown it that far on the team (4-6). Barrett has a noodle arm and holds this team back. On throws 20+ yards downfield this year Barrett (2-15) Haskins (2-3) Vogel, I guess I missed those, just like you miss the stats that put Haskins in a worse light. You're worse than the fake news press.
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Post by tommygunn on Sept 30, 2017 21:12:26 GMT -5
Whats funny is JT will go down as OSUs most decorated qb, and won't get drafted. Goes to show you how long JT has been at OSU and how much OSU has relied on the run.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 30, 2017 22:31:43 GMT -5
Screw the NFL, Barrett has earned every one of his records.
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Post by cbus on Oct 3, 2017 13:36:22 GMT -5
Whats funny is JT will go down as OSUs most decorated qb, and won't get drafted. Goes to show you how long JT has been at OSU and how much OSU has relied on the run. Most lists of the best OSU QB's have Art Schlichter, Troy Smith, Corny Green, Bobby Hoying, Joe Germaine, JT Barrett, Braxton Miller, Rex Kern and Terrelle Pryor. None of them had success in the pros. OSU is not Purdue for having a history of great QB's. So yea, OSU has relied on the run for the last 50+ years.
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 3, 2017 14:42:00 GMT -5
^And to back that up, look at the RBs who have come out of OSU and had success in the NFL. Many.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 3, 2017 16:16:22 GMT -5
Whats funny is JT will go down as OSUs most decorated qb, and won't get drafted. Goes to show you how long JT has been at OSU and how much OSU has relied on the run. Most lists of the best OSU QB's have Art Schlichter, Troy Smith, Corny Green, Bobby Hoying, Joe Germaine, JT Barrett, Braxton Miller, Rex Kern and Terrelle Pryor. None of them had success in the pros. OSU is not Purdue for having a history of great QB's. So yea, OSU has relied on the run for the last 50+ years. The point being made is, NFL is not a measuring stick of college football success. What works for college does not necessarily work for the pro game.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 4, 2017 10:27:29 GMT -5
I'm a little late on JT's game vs Rutgers but here's what he did
JT was 5-5 on balls thrown behind the line of scrimmage JT was 5-8 on balls thrown 0-9 yards downfield, 1 TD, 1 dropped JT was 2-4 on balls thrown 10-19 yards downfield, 1 dropped JT was 1-1 on balls thrown 20-29 yards downfield, 1 TD JT was 1-3 on balls thrown 30-39 yards downfield, 1 dropped JT was 1-2 on balls thrown 40-49 yards downfield, 1 TD
JT was 3-7 on balls thrown 15+ yards downfield, 2 TDs, 1 dropped JT's 15 completions went 142 yards downfield with 144 YAC for 286 overall JT's avg completion was caught 9.5 yards downfield
I loved the game JT played vs Rutgers. He threw the ball down field like a MAN, not a sissy noodle arm wuss that's afraid to throw an INT. JT placed the ball downfield where his receivers had the opportunity to make a play on the ball with a defender near them. I haven't seen JT do that since 2014. I personally think JT may have finally got it in film session. You know the coaches where praising Haskins for his downfield throws to receivers covered by a lone defender. Hopefully the light went on for JT and he finally gets that taking shots downfield to receivers covered by a lone defender is good football. For the past 2 1/2 years all we've seen from JT is him slinging balls no where near receivers if a defender was near them downfield or he'd just hold it and throw his patented pass less than 3 yards downfield. If JT continues to give his receivers shots at making plays downfield then the sky is the limit for this OSU squad. I project them to win out in the regular season if he plays like that the rest of the way. BUT if JT reverts to the JT we've seen in 2015, 2016 and the beginning of 2017 then PSU will beat OSU.
My projection is the light has been switched and JT gets it, and that he's finally back to his 2014 play that was really good. I'll take OSU 45-14 over Maryland with JT throwing more downfield passes on target to receivers that have a lone defender covering them. No more completely inaccurate passes in those situations because he's scared it might be an INT. Continue to be a MAN on downfield throws JT.
Go Bucks
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