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Post by DrTorch on Oct 22, 2017 21:46:36 GMT -5
Barrett had Zeke too boss.
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Post by Debbie Downer on Oct 23, 2017 6:18:48 GMT -5
Mr Fillmore now you are bashing a Heisman QB and a National Champion QB. Sorry to bring bad news but they too read this site and will not be inviting you over to dinner.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 23, 2017 7:10:55 GMT -5
Somehow, the fact that Ohio State winning the National Championship was a TEAM win, gets lost somewhere. Cardale did a remarkable job of stepping up to the task, doing a remarkable job of managing his position and we all recognize and forever commend him for that fact. But Cardale is long gone from the scene. This is 2017 and still, there are some, who remain in a time warp, echoing a player gone from the roster for years.
I don't get it.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 23, 2017 8:23:46 GMT -5
Let me remind you what 12 gauge did in BIG GAMES. He didn't throw dinks and ball hog the ball from his teammates. 12 gauge spread the ball around and let his 4 and 5 star teammates make plays. JT Barrett has a history of ball hogging in big games and throwing dinks the opposite of 12 gauge who was a Big Ten Champion QB and National Champion QB, 2 things JT Barrett hasn't done.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 23, 2017 8:27:36 GMT -5
Oh I forgot. WR after WR after WR after WR in this game are all better receivers than JT Barrett ever got to play with. JT Barrett only gets to play with 4 and 5 star receivers, who can look good in BIG GAMES with that? Hint, look above.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 23, 2017 9:42:14 GMT -5
Great video, never seen this one before and enjoyed it. Never payed much attention to the fact Cardale wore a protective knee brace on his left knee and one shot shows braces on both knees? Enough already..... We all have sung the praises of how Cardale rose to the occasion several years ago, and we're all happy about that, we all know and love what he did, but that's past history.. J.T. is our man, here and now. Everyone has acknowledged his marked improvement in his deep ball and all the accolades from bi-partisan observers have recognized that and his outstanding play this season. I'm sure you will join the rest of die-hard Buckeye fans in hoping he has the game of his career vs. Penn State, or at least manage the offense efficiently and effectively against a very good Penn State defense.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 23, 2017 16:59:03 GMT -5
Barrett had Zeke too boss. Not last year underling. When the hating started
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 23, 2017 16:59:56 GMT -5
Mr Fillmore now you are bashing a Heisman QB and a National Champion QB. Sorry to bring bad news but they too read this site and will not be inviting you over to dinner. THE truth is never bashing. FACTS, can not be bashing. Everything I said is the truth and factual. If someone told you that your smile was a little crooked would that be a fact or bashing?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 23, 2017 17:05:51 GMT -5
Let me remind you what 12 gauge did in BIG GAMES. He didn't throw dinks and ball hog the ball from his teammates. 12 gauge spread the ball around and let his 4 and 5 star teammates make plays. JT Barrett has a history of ball hogging in big games and throwing dinks the opposite of 12 gauge who was a Big Ten Champion QB and National Champion QB, 2 things JT Barrett hasn't done. Debbie Downer, this post is an example of bashing, there are no facts or truths involved.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 23, 2017 17:12:05 GMT -5
Barrett had Zeke too boss. Not last year underling. When the hating started The home loss to MSU and his suspension happened in 2015. That is when the hating started.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 23, 2017 18:08:54 GMT -5
Barrett had Zeke too boss. Thank you VERY much underling. Before Barrett was hurt he had 2843 yards passing, Zeke had 1174 yards rushing. Barrett was responsible for 45 TDs, Zeke had 10. See the difference? AGAIN, in the playoffs Zeke had 6 TDs, Cardale was responsible for 2. Cardale only had 8 more yards passing than Zeke had rushing. I've told you before to do your homework before posting. You haven't learned your lesson yet have you?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 23, 2017 18:11:02 GMT -5
Not last year underling. When the hating started The home loss to MSU and his suspension happened in 2015. That is when the hating started. Wrong, check when the hater posts stated. Do your homework.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 23, 2017 18:19:02 GMT -5
Both of you bash Cardale every chance u get and he was an undefeated National Champ. It isn't any wonder you don't want another QB to get a shot, look what the last one did to your narrative. FACTS are not bashing. Stats can not be bashing. Do your homework and find out who the REAL hero was in the post season. Read Urban's book and find out what Cardale was told he could and could not do. In the regular season JT was responsible for 10 TIMES more TDs than Zeke. In the playoffs Zeke scored 3 TIMES more TDs than Cadale was responsible for. Those are the FACTS
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 24, 2017 11:45:10 GMT -5
stats are for losers kid
Just Win Baby
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 24, 2017 12:02:58 GMT -5
stats are for losers kid Just Win Baby Stats are for losers and.....winners. They give you a pretty accurate snapshot of why you won or why you lost.
Just Win Baby!!!
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 24, 2017 13:52:32 GMT -5
there are three kinds of lies kid, lies, damned lies, and statistics
when your boy can't win a big game cept vs tomato cans you gots to cling to whatever you can i guess
here's a stat for ya: Cardale had a winning percentage of 100%
HE JUST WON
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 24, 2017 13:53:13 GMT -5
how many Championships has JT won in his career? Big-10, National, whichever...how many?
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 24, 2017 23:50:33 GMT -5
2017 HEISMAN ODDS - Following Week 8
SAQUON BARKLEY (PENN ST) 4/7 BRYCE LOVE (STANFORD) 2/1 BAKER MAYFIELD (OKLAHOMA) 10/1 J.T. BARRETT (OHIO ST) 10/1 MASON RUDOLPH (OKLAHOMA ST) 20/1 LAMAR JACKSON (LOUISVILLE) 25/1 JOSH ADAMS (NOTRE DAME) 40/1 JALEN HURTS (ALABAMA) 50/1 J.K. DOBBINS (OHIO ST) 60/1 SAM DARNOLD (USC) 100/1 JAKE BROWNING (WASHINGTON) 100/1 LUKE FALK (WASHINGTON ST) 100/1 BRANDON WIMBUSH (NOTRE DAME) 100/1 TRACE MCSORLEY (PENN ST) 200/1 NICK CHUBB (GEORGIA) 200/1 QUINTON FLOWERS (SOUTH FLORIDA) 200/1 JAMES WASHINGTON (OKLAHOMA ST) 200/1 WILL GRIER (WEST VIRGINIA) 200/1 RONALD JONES (USC) 200/1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 8:14:03 GMT -5
"There’s three guys right now everybody is going to bring up in the Heisman discussions and that's Saquon Barkley, Bryce Love and Baker Mayfield, whatever order you want to put them in. The next name that a ton of people bring up is JT Barrett because the numbers speak for themselves. If Ohio State wins and he plays great, he’s in the the discussion.
"If Ohio State doesn’t play well and he’s holding the ball and they don’t execute, his own fans are going to be talking about how they’d like to bench him. That’s how this game could go one way or the other for JT Barrett. If he wins and he’s carried off the field, he’s hailed as the king and he’s the greatest thing ever. And if they lose, it’s not as pretty obviously. That’s a lot of weight for one guy to deal with." ~ Kirk Herbstreit
Doesn't sound like it's only a few on this site. It's everywhere.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 25, 2017 22:11:06 GMT -5
stats are for losers kid Just Win Baby Tell that to Dumbo McClain, chlld.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 25, 2017 22:24:58 GMT -5
there are three kinds of lies kid, lies, damned lies, and statistics when your boy can't win a big game cept vs tomato cans you gots to cling to whatever you can i guess here's a stat for ya: Cardale had a winning percentage of 100% HE JUST WON Zeke was the reason Ohio State won the National Title. During the regular season JT was responsible had TEN TIMES more TDs than Zeke, During the playoffs Zeke had THREE TIMES more TDs than Cardale was responsible for. During the regular season JT had more than 1700 more passing yards than Zeke had rushing yards. During the playoffs Cardale had 8 more passing yards than Zeke had rushing yards. FACTS Here's a FACT for ya: If JT had not HELPED his TEAM win the regular season games they did before he broke his leg, Cardale would have never started a game in his career at Ohio State. NOTICE, I didn't say JT WON those games. It is ignorant to give credit to only ONE player on a TEAM of 150 for wins. Just as STUPID as it is to give only ONE player out of a TEAM 150, ALL of the credit for 3 wins. ESPECIALLY when there was another player that should be given more credit than some do ONLY on here.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 25, 2017 22:31:24 GMT -5
Oh I forgot. WR after WR after WR after WR in this game are all better receivers than JT Barrett ever got to play with. JT Barrett only gets to play with 4 and 5 star receivers, who can look good in BIG GAMES with that? Hint, look above. LIAR, who was the 5 star receiverS JT played with? You're trying to tell us Penn State only has 3 and 2 star receivers? FAKE STATS.
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 27, 2017 12:30:45 GMT -5
Is it possible for a qb to be at OSU for 5 years, set all kinds of records yet not win one big game that cements him in OSU's history? With JT, it is.
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Post by ronburgandy on Oct 27, 2017 12:56:43 GMT -5
Is a big game only ranked opponents? Only playoff games?
His first season as a starter he beat MSU at their place and they were ranked #8 at the time. Big game? He's undefeated against Michigan(I'd say every game against Michigan no matter their record is a big game). In 2015 he beat Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl who at the time was ranked #8. Or are none of those games big games? And last season he beat Oklahoma(who was #14 at the time at their place), he beat Wisconsin(who was #8 at the time), Nebraska(who was #10 at the time), and Michigan last year was ranked #3 at the time.
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Post by baldref on Oct 27, 2017 12:57:05 GMT -5
Interesting reading and I do not necessarily want to become part of this discussion, but would really like to know how many "big" games JT has started at OSU and his record in those "big" games--- like scum, PSU, Wisky, bowl games, conference championship games, OKlahoma and any other "big" game anyone thinks is valid. Just curious, that's all. I too, am a believer in the "just win baby" theory.
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Post by ronburgandy on Oct 27, 2017 13:00:35 GMT -5
baldref, check out my post right before yours, we posted at the same time. What constitutes a big game?
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 27, 2017 13:10:11 GMT -5
baldref, check out my post right before yours, we posted at the same time. What constitutes a big game? This has come up before with tommygun. Basically, when he says "big game" it's code for the B1G championship game and playoff games.
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Post by baldref on Oct 27, 2017 13:11:32 GMT -5
That's a tough question. Guess that's why I wanted some insight from those with the records/stats handy. I would think bowl games are "big," games against ranked opponents are big (in my warped mind) as are games always against the cream of the B1G like scum, PSU, Wisky, yea even Iowa...and of course, as you point out, those against $$$NotreDame$$$ would be considered "big" in my mind, simply because of the national following etc. (Note: when I say "ranked" I agree that is ranked at the time of the game)
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 27, 2017 14:24:03 GMT -5
Bowl Games and Playoffs. UM wins are always "big" but let's be honest UM Football isn't what it used to be.
The problem with JT is in that our "big losses" it has generally been his inability to function as a passer that has led to our demise. VTech @ Home, MSU @ Home, Oklahoma @ Home. He has regressed over his career, he is not the same runner he was @ MIN as a Frosh, he has never improved as a passer. He needs to stop being the reason we lose games. Because imho it was his play alone, in particular vs VTech and MSU, that cost us those games. It can't be that way. Not when someone like me watched Terrelle Pryor RISE UP vs in big Bowl Games vs ARK, and ORE.
JT can't be the reason we lose games. If he goes out and plays well and we lose, it is what it is. But he can't go out there and average 5 yards an attempt and we lose the game 24-17.
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Post by ronburgandy on Oct 27, 2017 14:53:37 GMT -5
Bowl Games and Playoffs. UM wins are always "big" but let's be honest UM Football isn't what it used to be. Well he didn't get a chance to play in the playoffs because of injury his first year, we all know what happened last year(31-0 isn't solely on a QB, that's a team issue). He did win a bowl game against Notre Dame and as we all know wins/losses against Michigan are always looked at after careers are over. Hell, Jon Cooper was fired because he couldn't beat them(I know, he isn't a qb, just throwing that out there). If we beat Michigan again this year, JT will end his career undefeated against them. That's huge.
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