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Post by ronburgandy on Nov 14, 2017 8:05:34 GMT -5
Once again we can agree to disagree, but thanks for the info.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 14, 2017 13:43:02 GMT -5
they did get a kid from Mansfield Senior and Mansfield Christian along with the kid from Colonel. With Todd out it changes a lot from last season and they already had big spots to fill. It is also an interesting fact that Ontario may have a varsity roster which includes 4 players that did not play in the Ontario JH program. Only one player of note and he was at Ontario in the 7th grade and now lives in Ontario. One to be determined, per royalballdad. The others, if any, are average at best. The vast majority of parents who Open Enroll their kids to Ontario do it for the academics. I hope all kids play a sport.
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 15, 2017 11:14:11 GMT -5
From cbus in the sbc section: "Bellevue scrimmaged Marion Harding and I think won 5 of 8 quarters. I didn't hear anything other than that."
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 15, 2017 16:58:26 GMT -5
Heard Galion lost every quarter against Lex but played even with Bellevue. I know Bellevue is probably missing some players still because of football but I think it is still a nice start for Galion. I know people won't agree with me but I think Galion has a good amount of talent, I just think coaching held them back last year and may do the same thing this year. I think Galion had enough talent to win 7-10 games last year but only won 3 and didn't compete at all in most of their losses. I watch a lot of Galion basketball at different grade levels so I've watched most of them at least a little since middle school. These kids are definitely better than they played last year and have much more talent than people think. It annoys me when people say that the coach just doesn't have the talent to win. That's BS. The kids just didn't have the COACH to help them win.... Now with all that said, maybe the coach has learned from his mistakes and will do a better job this year. Sounds like they're off to a good start. IMO they will not lose many games because they don't have enough talent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 21:36:18 GMT -5
Heard Galion lost every quarter against Lex but played even with Bellevue. I know Bellevue is probably missing some players still because of football but I think it is still a nice start for Galion. I know people won't agree with me but I think Galion has a good amount of talent, I just think coaching held them back last year and may do the same thing this year. I think Galion had enough talent to win 7-10 games last year but only won 3 and didn't compete at all in most of their losses. I watch a lot of Galion basketball at different grade levels so I've watched most of them at least a little since middle school. These kids are definitely better than they played last year and have much more talent than people think. It annoys me when people say that the coach just doesn't have the talent to win. That's BS. The kids just didn't have the COACH to help them win.... Now with all that said, maybe the coach has learned from his mistakes and will do a better job this year. Sounds like they're off to a good start. IMO they will not lose many games because they don't have enough talent. I saw Galion play last season and I'm not sure where you think they could have picked up another 4-7 wins. It is unfortunate for the Tigers but watching as an outsider I did not see much talent on the floor last year in multiple games that I saw. Who did they turn away to hire your current coach?
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 15, 2017 22:16:56 GMT -5
^^^ The criticism of the current coach is not about him being hired despite having no qualifications. I'm not going to get into that again. I simply said I do not think he's a good coach....I acknowledge that it would be hard for somebody that hasn't watched these kids a lot to not be able to see their talent. Especially if you only watched them last year. Which I think coaching is a big reason why they played so poorly. If I only watched them play a couple games last year I would agree with you that they don't seem that talented. That is why I knew nobody would agree with me because they haven't watched as much. Which is fine. But I have watched them at different levels with different coaches and you could see the abilities they had.... Other games that we could've realistically won: Crestline, Plymouth, Mt. Gilead, North Union (@home, lost by just 10), JA (@home), RV (@rv, somehow lost by 30 after beating them @home by 15). Not saying we should've won all those but we should've won at least a couple more than we did. We at least should've been more competitive in more of our games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 22:37:53 GMT -5
^^^ The criticism of the current coach is not about him being hired despite having no qualifications. I'm not going to get into that again. I simply said I do not think he's a good coach....I acknowledge that it would be hard for somebody that hasn't watched these kids a lot to not be able to see their talent. Especially if you only watched them last year. Which I think coaching is a big reason why they played so poorly. If I only watched them play a couple games last year I would agree with you that they don't seem that talented. That is why I knew nobody would agree with me because they haven't watched as much. Which is fine. But I have watched them at different levels with different coaches and you could see the abilities they had.... Other games that we could've realistically won: Crestline, Plymouth, Mt. Gilead, North Union (@home, lost by just 10), JA (@home), RV (@rv, somehow lost by 30 after beating them @home by 15). Not saying we should've won all those but we should've won at least a couple more than we did. We at least should've been more competitive in more of our games. I would say the position had to be filled. Was there anyone else who wanted it. I know of a couple who pulled their names once they had some questions answered. Maybe you should have stepped in. From what I heard the final pool of applicants was pretty small and the qualifications were pretty even so they chose a quality person, in their eyes.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 15, 2017 22:55:32 GMT -5
I haven't read entire thread so I'm not sure if it's been talked about but I saw that Logan Houle is now playing for Ontario. He played with Colonel Crawford in junior high then transferred to Oak Hill Academy last year. How did he end up at Ontario? Why didn't he go back to CC? I don't know all the background to this story. But I do know he's probably one of the better players in the area and best in his class around here. CC would've had one hell of a team with him. The Houle kid left cc due to having to play JV as a freshman. Went to Oak hill and was on their B team and didn’t get any playing time. No way he would have started on this years cc team. Not sure he is close to being one of the better players in the area. Kid does have some potential. Wish him luck at Ontario. The Oak Hill "B", or more accurately the RED team, is THE varsity team. They won a State Championship last year. The Oak Hill GOLD team is their All-Star team made up of 4 and 5 Star players from all the country, thay go their for Free. Unlike the kids on the RED team that must pay $33,000/year to go to Oak Hill.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 15, 2017 23:03:39 GMT -5
Saw the first half of the scrimmage at Ontario tonight with Dover, Loudonville and Northwestern. All four teams looked pretty equal. A third Freshman played with the Ontario varsity tonight
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 15, 2017 23:05:12 GMT -5
^^^ The criticism of the current coach is not about him being hired despite having no qualifications. I'm not going to get into that again. I simply said I do not think he's a good coach....I acknowledge that it would be hard for somebody that hasn't watched these kids a lot to not be able to see their talent. Especially if you only watched them last year. Which I think coaching is a big reason why they played so poorly. If I only watched them play a couple games last year I would agree with you that they don't seem that talented. That is why I knew nobody would agree with me because they haven't watched as much. Which is fine. But I have watched them at different levels with different coaches and you could see the abilities they had.... Other games that we could've realistically won: Crestline, Plymouth, Mt. Gilead, North Union (@home, lost by just 10), JA (@home), RV (@rv, somehow lost by 30 after beating them @home by 15). Not saying we should've won all those but we should've won at least a couple more than we did. We at least should've been more competitive in more of our games. I would say the position had to be filled. Was there anyone else who wanted it. I know of a couple who pulled their names once they had some questions answered. Maybe you should have stepped in. From what I heard the final pool of applicants was pretty small and the qualifications were pretty even so they chose a quality person, in their eyes. I don't really feel like getting into this again. I've talked enough about this on here so you can go back and read my comments from before. Unless you add something like who pulled their names out or what questions they wanted answers or who told you about the final pool and their qualifications because I know a parent who got the actual list of applicants and their resumes from the school by doing a public records request and the current coach was the only one to never coach above the youth level.....Quality person?? If you say so...
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 15, 2017 23:08:35 GMT -5
Saw the first half of the scrimmage at Ontario tonight with Dover, Loudonville and Northwestern. All four teams looked pretty equal. A third Freshman played with the Ontario varsity tonight Is that a good thing for Ontario? That's not rhetorical, I just don't know much about those schools.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 23:17:32 GMT -5
I would say the position had to be filled. Was there anyone else who wanted it. I know of a couple who pulled their names once they had some questions answered. Maybe you should have stepped in. From what I heard the final pool of applicants was pretty small and the qualifications were pretty even so they chose a quality person, in their eyes. I don't really feel like getting into this again. I've talked enough about this on here so you can go back and read my comments from before. Unless you add something like who pulled their names out or what questions they wanted answers or who told you about the final pool and their qualifications because I know a parent who got the actual list of applicants and their resumes from the school by doing a public records request and the current coach was the only one to never coach above the youth level.....Quality person?? If you say so... 2 Qualified candidates pulled their names after questions were answered.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 15, 2017 23:31:40 GMT -5
gt1975,
Who knows, better than looking far weaker than the other 3 teams.
Dover is a DI school that Ontario has scrimmaged for YEARS. They usually have good teams. Loudonville looks MUCH better than they have in recent years. They had a 6-4 kid that made 6 3-pointers in a row in one quarter. Northwestern was big and physical. One player around 6-5 250 that really knew how to use his big body and also step out and shoot 3-pointers. He got off the floor pretty well for his size, even stuffed Jones on one of his turnaround jumpers in the lane. Also had an athletic 6-footer that looked like a tailback, fearless at driving the lane and good 3-point shooter.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 15, 2017 23:35:00 GMT -5
I don't really feel like getting into this again. I've talked enough about this on here so you can go back and read my comments from before. Unless you add something like who pulled their names out or what questions they wanted answers or who told you about the final pool and their qualifications because I know a parent who got the actual list of applicants and their resumes from the school by doing a public records request and the current coach was the only one to never coach above the youth level.....Quality person?? If you say so... 2 Qualified candidates pulled their names after questions were answered. Typical general BS as usual, just to sound important. He says he has sources like this at every school in a 5 county area. Never names sources, no names or where the candidates were from or what the questions were. A 9th grader could make up that answer. However, he WILL put down a 12 year old by name without thinking twice about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 8:10:52 GMT -5
Looking at the scrimmage updates, Galion played even with Bellevue and Bellevue beat Harding in 5 of 8 periods. So is it a possible thought that Galion is playing better than Harding right now?
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Post by royalballdad on Nov 16, 2017 10:48:52 GMT -5
The Houle kid left cc due to having to play JV as a freshman. Went to Oak hill and was on their B team and didn’t get any playing time. No way he would have started on this years cc team. Not sure he is close to being one of the better players in the area. Kid does have some potential. Wish him luck at Ontario. The Oak Hill "B", or more accurately the RED team, is THE varsity team. They won a State Championship last year. The Oak Hill GOLD team is their All-Star team made up of 4 and 5 Star players from all the country, thay go their for Free. Unlike the kids on the RED team that must pay $33,000/year to go to Oak Hill. Fillmore, Just to clarify, as we all know you like facts & research... Correct "B" = RED Team. Incorrect: "won a State Championship last year" The Oak Hill Red Team won the NACA Div II National Championship NACA = National Association of Christian Athletes
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 16, 2017 12:25:44 GMT -5
Looking at the scrimmage updates, Galion played even with Bellevue and Bellevue beat Harding in 5 of 8 periods. So is it a possible thought that Galion is playing better than Harding right now? It's definitely possible but it's hard to tell with scrimmages. Galion played Bellevue in a 3 team scrimmage with Lex and MH played Bellevue in a 2 team scrimmage. So Bellevue may have used different rotations in the Galion scrimmage. I hope we're ahead but there's just not enough info.
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 16, 2017 12:27:15 GMT -5
2 Qualified candidates pulled their names after questions were answered. Typical general BS as usual, just to sound important. He says he has sources like this at every school in a 5 county area. Never names sources, no names or where the candidates were from or what the questions were. A 9th grader could make up that answer. However, he WILL put down a 12 year old by name without thinking twice about it. From WF. I know you have him blocked.
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 16, 2017 12:41:45 GMT -5
Galion's scrimmage schedule: 11/14- Bellevue and Lexington 11/15- Willard 11/18- Ridgedale They had a scrimmage on 11/11 with Wynford that was cancelled. I've heard that Galion's numbers are down right now. They have just 6 or 7 freshman (4 out of 5 starters from last year aren't playing) and a couple of their top JV players from last year aren't playing this year. They also had a couple of their top Varsity players almost didn't play either. I heard most aren't playing because of coaching but some aren't playing for other reasons. From the sounds of what you're describing, this could be a brutal year for Galion. As a cautionary warning, don't get too excited about that Ridgedale scrimmage if things go well. Ridgedale was a bottom 3 seed in the D4 Central District tournament last year and lost their only two good players to graduation. Their coach left so the returning players will be learning a new system as well. Still, that's a good final one to build momentum for the season. Well the Ridgedale scrimmage also has Hardin Northern. They are a D4 school that went 2-20 last year. So should be an easy scrimmage to end the preseason.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 13:27:21 GMT -5
Typical general BS as usual, just to sound important. He says he has sources like this at every school in a 5 county area. Never names sources, no names or where the candidates were from or what the questions were. A 9th grader could make up that answer. However, he WILL put down a 12 year old by name without thinking twice about it. From WF. I know you have him blocked. Amazes me how he would like everyone's names tossed around but yet he hides behind a screen and keyboard. Besides, my posts may be less detailed but they are not fabricated.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 16, 2017 15:37:27 GMT -5
You're real sir name is Dude?? If not, you're hiding as much as anyone. NO ONE makes claims about knowing Administrators and coaches at dozens of schools like you do. Thus logic says you must be fabricating. Unlike you I will give a name of a coach or AD and/or give the name of the school the coach or AD works for. Thus I "hide" FAR FAR less than you do.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 16, 2017 15:39:46 GMT -5
The Oak Hill "B", or more accurately the RED team, is THE varsity team. They won a State Championship last year. The Oak Hill GOLD team is their All-Star team made up of 4 and 5 Star players from all the country, thay go their for Free. Unlike the kids on the RED team that must pay $33,000/year to go to Oak Hill. Fillmore, Just to clarify, as we all know you like facts & research... Correct "B" = RED Team. Incorrect: "won a State Championship last year" The Oak Hill Red Team won the NACA Div II National Championship NACA = National Association of Christian Athletes Allow me to apologize to the Oak Hill RED Varisty team for not giving them the credit they were due. BTW Oak Hill also has a JV team. To be crystal clear, no where in the Oak Hill Academy website is the a mention of a "A", "B" or "C" team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 15:55:53 GMT -5
The Oak Hill "B", or more accurately the RED team, is THE varsity team. They won a State Championship last year. The Oak Hill GOLD team is their All-Star team made up of 4 and 5 Star players from all the country, thay go their for Free. Unlike the kids on the RED team that must pay $33,000/year to go to Oak Hill. Fillmore, Just to clarify, as we all know you like facts & research... Correct "B" = RED Team. Incorrect: "won a State Championship last year" The Oak Hill Red Team won the NACA Div II National Championship NACA = National Association of Christian Athletes This is correct, which is more like an AAU tournament with 6-7 divisions and which only allows teams from specific schools to enter. It would be a much bigger deal to win the Virginia State Championship.
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Post by royalballdad on Nov 16, 2017 16:35:56 GMT -5
Fillmore, Just to clarify, as we all know you like facts & research... Correct "B" = RED Team. Incorrect: "won a State Championship last year" The Oak Hill Red Team won the NACA Div II National Championship NACA = National Association of Christian Athletes Allow me to apologize to the Oak Hill RED Varisty team for not giving them the credit they were due. As you constantly “scream” at others on this site to do.... Take you own advice and DO some research & “Tell the truth” You gave the Oak Hill Red team way too much credit. As winning a Virginia State Championship would have been a great accomplishment. Unfortunately they did not. They won the NACA Div II National Championship which is like winning a mid-level AAU tournament.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 16, 2017 16:50:19 GMT -5
I did research, saw a championship mentioned as I skimmed through the information, not looking for that specific piece. If you were offended I apologize. What about you[sic]"B" team that does not exist anywhere? That would classify as a purposeful completely made up piece of information.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 16, 2017 17:02:23 GMT -5
I should add something more important than the basketball skills of the 6 Freshman playing up on the Varsity and JV teams at Ontario this year. All are straight A students.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 17, 2017 0:09:08 GMT -5
Royalballdad:Willard did not say winning a Virginia State Championship, if you would have read it correctly you would have notice that it was Dude that said it. And then Dude said it this way, it would have been a much bigger deal to win a Virginia State Championship. Try your self to read first on who is posting what. Also Willard said he was sorry for making a mistake. Be man enough and accept his apology and let it alone instead of attacking more. Let it go man.
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Post by 4 on Nov 17, 2017 0:30:00 GMT -5
I would doubt Galion looks better then harding. Maybe so this early in year. Who knows, but I’ve only heard bad about Galion. Alsip is a solid player tho.
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Post by averagejoe on Nov 17, 2017 8:20:03 GMT -5
Where did they go? The same guy has been running the program for 30 years. Should he have developed a player? His best player is a move in. Where did those players go?? DUH, they all graduated. ALL were "developed" by "the same guy". One must have a modicum of athletic ability in order to be "developed" AND be willing to wait your turn. In the Senior class, the 6-7 Jones a two year starter. Of the other top 5 players in the Senior class, the next best player was their PG and he quit playing all sports after his Freshman year to concentrate on academics. A 6-6 kid said he was going to take last year off,(translation) he couldn't wait his turn, he's taking this year off too. The 6-2 Pensante quit last year after he saw Mott and Todd at practice. He said basketball wasn't fun anymore,(translation) he couldn't wait his turn. Both could be starters this year. Senior High's 6-3 QB Open Enrolled from Ontario to Mansfield and played Varsity basketball for Senior last year. The 6th best player in the class is a starter this year. BTW, one has to stick with basketball to take advantage of being "developed", by "the same guy". The best player in the Junior class, a 6-3 forward, was on Varsity as Soph last year. He's still rehabbing from knee surgery. The 2nd and 3rd best players in that class will be in the rotation. The only 3 worthy players in that class. The Sophomore class only has 2 good players, 6-4 Chance Mott, who was the first player off the bench last year as a Freshman, but was better than and played more minutes than the Senior starter. And 6-2 Cam Todd on the varsity last year as a Freshman, out with a broken ankle. The Freshman class is very good. They could beat the Freshman team last year as 8th graders. Currently 2 of them on varsity, the 3rd out with a broken leg, the other 2 should be starters on the JV team. Even without the top 5 Freshman, the Freshman team should be respectable. Much more depth of athletic ability in this year's Freshman class than Junior and Sophomore classes combined. They won the NOL Tournament in dominating fashion last year. All schools have classes lacking in ability, to be "developed". No, the best player this year is not a "move in". "Move ins"?? "Build it and they will come." I was asking about the 30 kids per grade that attend the youth programs and kids camps that this guy has been running for 30 years. now he is relying on move-ins to win games. you always say build it and they will come but nobody agrees with that for basketball. saying the best player is not a move in shows what you know
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Post by royalballdad on Nov 17, 2017 10:09:30 GMT -5
Royalballdad:Willard did not say winning a Virginia State Championship, if you would have read it correctly you would have notice that it was Dude that said it. And then Dude said it this way, it would have been a much bigger deal to win a Virginia State Championship. Try your self to read first on who is posting what. Also Willard said he was sorry for making a mistake. Be man enough and accept his apology and let it alone instead of attacking more. Let it go man. DFA, below is exactly what WF wrote. Keep in mind: Oak Hill Academy is located in the state of Virginia. "The Oak Hill "B", or more accurately the RED team, is THE varsity team. They won a State Championship last year" Maybe you should take your own advise on "read first who is posting what" And your right. WF, I accept your apology! No more attacking. Letting it go - now!
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