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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 20:37:42 GMT -5
Clear Fork's football coach got tired of sub .500 records. Nothing more.
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Post by galion on Oct 3, 2017 3:08:15 GMT -5
^^^ Whose "lack of knowledge about football" are you referring to? Mine or 4's? 4
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Post by galion on Oct 3, 2017 3:09:59 GMT -5
If you honestly believe that your lack of knowledge about football is even greater that I had originally believed. Do you really believe that the level of football and the quality of competition in the MOAC is on par with the TRAC? Even in the down OCC this season no team from the MOAC is touching Ashland or Mansfield. Don't believe me ask someone from CF. You probably also believe that TCC doesn't have an unfair advantage over public D3 schools or that NSP is on an even level with the rest of D7. Someone from CF would tell you they could have competed with Ashland and Mansfield this season. Perhaps "competed with" but not beaten.
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Post by galion on Oct 3, 2017 3:10:41 GMT -5
Clear Fork's football coach got tired of sub .500 records. Nothing more. They don't have a sub .500 record anymore.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 3, 2017 3:26:34 GMT -5
Unless I missed something, Clear Fork was 3 and 7 last year. They had been sub .500 since 2013 when they were 7 and 3. Is 2017 only going to be a "blip" on the radar?
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Post by galion on Oct 3, 2017 5:27:33 GMT -5
Look at their schedule from last season and tell me, outside of possibly JA, what MOAC school would have fared any better.
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Post by babymaker on Oct 3, 2017 6:07:25 GMT -5
I think Galion is right their level of competition could have been a large factor.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 3, 2017 6:36:02 GMT -5
Look at their schedule from last season and tell me, outside of possibly JA, what MOAC school would have fared any better. Were they in a league last year? If those teams they played were in a league with them then CF, at a 5, was really in the deep end of the pool with several 2s on that sked.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 7:36:51 GMT -5
Someone from CF would tell you they could have competed with Ashland and Mansfield this season. Perhaps "competed with" but not beaten. At worst case they would have been 2-3 in the OCC this season. The way they are playing it's possible that may have been able to beat either one of them.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 3, 2017 7:41:36 GMT -5
Were they in a league last year? If those teams they played were in a league with them then CF, at a 5, was really in the deep end of the pool with several 2s on that sked. Yes, the Ohio Cardinal Conference, which currently consists of Ashland, Mansfield Senior, Mansfield Madison, Lexington, Wooster, West Holmes and Mt. Vernon. During most of it's history (2004-2016) the OCC was an 8 school league including the first 6 schools on that list plus Clear Fork and Orrville
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 7:45:35 GMT -5
Clear Fork's football coach got tired of sub .500 records. Nothing more. They don't have a sub .500 record anymore. No they don't, this season they have a strong team. And would have that team regardless of their league. If everyone picked a conference that they knew they would be over .500 every season, would their be conferences? Some on here feel you only join a league you can win. If everyone had that mentality would it even be possible? If everyone only joined a league they knew they could win we would have schools changing almost every year. So maybe we are close to that now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 7:50:04 GMT -5
Look at their schedule from last season and tell me, outside of possibly JA, what MOAC school would have fared any better. Last season the OCC had 3 teams make the playoffs plus they played Shelby. Who CF also dropped. I'm not saying they could win the football OCC every year like they can the MOAC. What I am saying is when CF had good team they competed with the other OCC teams. Just like Madison, Wooster, Lexington and West Holmes. Ashland is regularly good and Mansfield has been towards the top lately. The biggest difference to CF from 4 mentioned above that win on occasion is that CF sees themselves as a football school while the others are not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 8:01:51 GMT -5
Were they in a league last year? If those teams they played were in a league with them then CF, at a 5, was really in the deep end of the pool with several 2s on that sked. Yes, the Ohio Cardinal Conference, which currently consists of Ashland, Mansfield Senior, Mansfield Madison, Lexington, Wooster, West Holmes and Mt. Vernon. During most of it's history (2004-2016) the OCC was an 8 school league including the first 6 schools on that list plus Clear Fork and OrrvilleAnd during that time every school won a football league championship. 13 league titles and 4 were shared to make up 20 league champs. Ashland 6 Wooster 3 Mansfield 3 West Holmes 2 Madison 2 Clear Fork 1 Lexington 2 Orrville 1
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Post by babymaker on Oct 3, 2017 9:43:11 GMT -5
Find it odd that the larger the school size the more league championships they had.
Make no mistake some school join conferences strictly based on how competitive they will be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 11:08:36 GMT -5
So Harding should win the MOAC most years.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 3, 2017 11:40:05 GMT -5
Harding thinks they should. But then as we are told over and over this division mumbo jumbo really doesn't mean anything. It is all about how many are on the field of play at any one time. Ah yes, what insight.
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Post by 4 on Oct 3, 2017 12:18:56 GMT -5
Yup 11v11 every time you step on the field. Every one knows Harding doesn't play up to par with other D2s that's no secret. Not sure if they will when they move to d3 in the coming years either. I remember when schools just use to play football and the division stuff wasn't such a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 12:23:39 GMT -5
Some take the division differences to such an extreme it can be ridiculous. Specially in deciding what conference a school should be in. Some feel joining a conference should be based on if or not you can win the conference. In all my years of sports I would trade multiple league titles for a district title any time.
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Post by babymaker on Oct 3, 2017 13:06:27 GMT -5
Funny the Harding kids discredited the District title that Pleasant got in basketball because they beat them for the league title.
That said if you are not able to get in the playoffs getting a league title is all you can shoot for.
So what you are really saying is that size matters on good programs but if the program isn't good then size doesn't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 13:40:49 GMT -5
That's not what I am saying if that question was to me.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 3, 2017 14:11:45 GMT -5
Yup 11v11 every time you step on the field. Every one knows Harding doesn't play up to par with other D2s that's no secret. Not sure if they will when they move to d3 in the coming years either. I remember when schools just use to play football and the division stuff wasn't such a big deal. Pre 1972?
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Post by babymaker on Oct 3, 2017 16:18:50 GMT -5
That's not what I am saying if that question was to me. I covered 2 people with one response sorry. I know your point is that post season>regular season banners.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 3, 2017 20:20:30 GMT -5
Yes, the Ohio Cardinal Conference, which currently consists of Ashland, Mansfield Senior, Mansfield Madison, Lexington, Wooster, West Holmes and Mt. Vernon. During most of it's history (2004-2016) the OCC was an 8 school league including the first 6 schools on that list plus Clear Fork and OrrvilleAnd during that time every school won a football league championship. 12 league titles and 4 were shared to make up 18 league champs. Ashland 5 Wooster 3 Mansfield 3 West Holmes 2 Madison 2 Clear Fork 1 Lexington 1 Orrville 1 The largest THREE schools won 11 titles, an average of 3.7 each. The smallest FIVE schools won 7 titles an average of 1.4 each.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 20:42:23 GMT -5
That's not what I am saying if that question was to me. I covered 2 people with one response sorry. I know your point is that post season>regular season banners. And during that time every school won a football league championship. 13 league titles and 4 were shared to make up 20 league champs. Ashland 6 Wooster 3 Mansfield 3 West Holmes 2 Madison 2 Lexington 2 Clear Fork 1 Orrville 1 Using the same time frame I thought I would post the times the teams made the playoffs over 13 years. Ashland 8 Orrville 8 Clear Fork 4 Lexington 3
Madison 3 Wooster 3 Mansfield 3 West Holmes 1
As you can see, the smaller schools did well during that time.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 3, 2017 20:51:52 GMT -5
Mt.Vernon 507 Wooster 441 Ashland 408 Madison 372 Mansfield 332 Lex 301 west Holmes 277 Clear Fork 225
scooty Dude is known for talking out of both sides of his mouth on most subjects, but this might be the worst. He was all in favor of NU leaving the MOAC. Was very understanding of their plight and approved of them joining a league with some schools closer to their size. But has disdain for Clear Fork wanting the same and has the nerve to blame the move on one singular person at Clear Fork. He even claims to know a couple thousand people in the school district that are against the move.
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Post by galion on Oct 4, 2017 2:40:05 GMT -5
Yup 11v11 every time you step on the field. Every one knows Harding doesn't play up to par with other D2s that's no secret. Not sure if they will when they move to d3 in the coming years either. I remember when schools just use to play football and the division stuff wasn't such a big deal. No matter what your girlfriends have told you size has always mattered.
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Post by galion on Oct 4, 2017 2:41:03 GMT -5
They don't have a sub .500 record anymore. No they don't, this season they have a strong team. And would have that team regardless of their league. If everyone picked a conference that they knew they would be over .500 every season, would their be conferences? Some on here feel you only join a league you can win. If everyone had that mentality would it even be possible? If everyone only joined a league they knew they could win we would have schools changing almost every year. So maybe we are close to that now. So it's unreasonable of them to want to be in a conference with schools their size?
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Post by galion on Oct 4, 2017 2:46:04 GMT -5
Yes, the Ohio Cardinal Conference, which currently consists of Ashland, Mansfield Senior, Mansfield Madison, Lexington, Wooster, West Holmes and Mt. Vernon. During most of it's history (2004-2016) the OCC was an 8 school league including the first 6 schools on that list plus Clear Fork and OrrvilleAnd during that time every school won a football league championship. 13 league titles and 4 were shared to make up 20 league champs. Ashland 6 Wooster 3 Mansfield 3 West Holmes 2 Madison 2 Clear Fork 1 Lexington 2 Orrville 1 You're right it's an absolute mystery why Orrville and CF would want out of that situation. It's almost like you're making my point for me. Why don't you share with everybody the soccer, basketball, wrestling, track, and baseball results as well. Since it was only a "football" decision surely they must have been really competitive in those sports.
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Post by galion on Oct 4, 2017 2:52:33 GMT -5
One team from region 25, one from region 27 and two from region 28 are better than Norwalk St. Paul. There may even be a better team in NSP's region 26. Toledo Central Catholic maybe or maybe not has a "unfair" advantage. So you have found 4, maybe 5 schools in all of D7 that you feel might be better than NSP. The fact that you are being so vague about who those schools are would tend to indicate to me that they might not all be public.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 4, 2017 3:37:48 GMT -5
Only one has to be better in week 15. Cuyahoga Heights 25 Pandora Gilboa 26 Danville 27 Minster 28 Lehman Catholic 28
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