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Post by blazer on Oct 21, 2017 8:35:34 GMT -5
It was good to see Harding's new field. Looks good.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Oct 21, 2017 11:30:03 GMT -5
Yes the field looks great! Can't say I enjoyed the fireworks though.
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Post by 4 on Oct 21, 2017 14:49:52 GMT -5
Yes the field looks great! Can't say I enjoyed the fireworks though. I like the fireworks just because it isn’t common. Games they win at the end it’s pretty cool.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 21, 2017 16:01:46 GMT -5
Last week, they’re bad. Decent last year but terrible now. Have had key injuries though. If you say so. One stellar 5-5 season in the last 10-15 years? You have to go back to 2005 to find a winning season for Newark. The years from 2006 to this year show a combined record of 21 wins and 87 losses. I would say that is a D1 any school would want on their schedule. Reminds me of 2006 when I went to Worthington to see Kilbourne defeated by Delphos St. John's. A D6 beating a D1 on the road.
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Post by 7up on Oct 21, 2017 16:49:52 GMT -5
If you say so. One stellar 5-5 season in the last 10-15 years? You have to go back to 2005 to find a winning season for Newark. The years from 2006 to this year show a combined record of 21 wins and 87 losses. I would say that is a D1 any school would want on their schedule. Reminds me of 2006 when I went to Worthington to see Kilbourne defeated by Delphos St. John's. A D6 beating a D1 on the road. so you agree that the division of a school means nothing? Atleast I hope because Harding is right where they belong in the MOAC. Until they get more than 57 players to start coming out this is where they should be. And whoever said they only started winning because their schedule got easier must not watch much football because Pleasant and RV have football traditions and I'm not talking about Harding's 10 year stint during the 90s that to me doesn't qualify as a football tradition. Buckeye Valley who is very close at D3 to Harding and have always had good teams. Why nobody complained about BV being a much bigger school in MOAC trips me out but it is what it is, what matters are the roster sizes in MOAC are mostly the same. But until Harding starts fielding 75-100 players which will never happen again because their enrollment has been cut in half since those teams of the 90s quit bitching and watch some good football.
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Post by 7up on Oct 21, 2017 16:55:51 GMT -5
Has their schedule in school size got easier ,yes because when they were independent they were Playing teams like Austintown-Fitch , and other huge schools that field 75+ kids and Harding one year had 29 kids. So I say great move. I'd love to see Mansfield Sr. who is now a D3 that has lost a ton of kids like Harding and an old rival join as well.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 21, 2017 17:05:27 GMT -5
No, I am not saying the division of a school doesn't mean anything. What I am saying is that Harding should be proud of their success in the MOAC as they watch other teams from the conference play in week 11 and beyond, while they sit at home. It's all in how you want to measure success.
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Post by 4 on Oct 21, 2017 17:36:08 GMT -5
3-4 sacks against RV. Facione sits at 18-20 sacks. One game left I bet he finishes with over 20 which smashes Harding single season sack total. And has some touchdowns on offense including one 70 +. And a few blocked punts. Man that sure is my pick for conference player of year. But it’ll go to someone on offense prob.
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Post by hardingmavman on Oct 21, 2017 22:39:40 GMT -5
Please don't listen to 4 he has a excuse for everything as a Harding follower I'm proud of what the team did this year don't get me wrong but when your crowd is going crazy because Pleasant lost when its announced over the PA when u couldnt beat them or BV it just goes to shows u what level the football program has become...and settles for... Rv did a nice job of staying around in the game after falling behind quickly was also strange to see them pass so much after the years of running they should be good next year
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Post by hardingmavman on Oct 21, 2017 22:40:24 GMT -5
Yes the field looks great! Can't say I enjoyed the fireworks though. Why don't u like them?
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Post by 4 on Oct 21, 2017 23:23:31 GMT -5
Don’t lose much in this senior class besides facione and hill. Didn’t listen to dumb asss mavman he must not have been around for the 0-10 year, but as a true harding fan I’m gonna take 6-3 at the time and a 6-4 season no matter the schedule. It’s about improvement and where you want to be eventually. You don’t go from no one to a solid football team in no time. I consider Harding average now and I hope improvement keeps going up.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 22, 2017 2:05:56 GMT -5
^^^^ Where do you eventually want to be? What is the goal as per record, week 11 and beyond or attitude? What are your goals?
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Post by GHS 1999 on Oct 22, 2017 13:07:15 GMT -5
Yes the field looks great! Can't say I enjoyed the fireworks though. Why don't u like them? We couldn't see them on the visitors side. Didn't have any idea they were going to go off until they did and was about to jump out of my seat the first several times.
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Post by hardingmavman on Oct 22, 2017 13:59:47 GMT -5
We couldn't see them on the visitors side. Didn't have any idea they were going to go off until they did and was about to jump out of my seat the 9first several times. Ow yea thats understandable I think sometimes they go over board with them but they are pretty neat
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Post by hardingmavman on Oct 22, 2017 14:10:53 GMT -5
Don’t lose much in this senior class besides facione and hill. Didn’t listen to dumb asss mavman he must not have been around for the 0-10 year, but as a true harding fan I’m gonna take 6-3 at the time and a 6-4 season no matter the schedule. It’s about improvement and where you want to be eventually. You don’t go from no one to a solid football team in no time. I consider Harding average now and I hope improvement keeps going up. I was around... A lot of that had to do with the schedule and stuff the kids can't control.. And they have improved immensely and don't lose A lot like u said... Harding is at a division 3 or 4 team that is division 2 it is what it is but I just don't see the point of sunshine and rainbows instead of facts... I wasnt trying to be a "***" just pointing out technical stuff like tackling, special teams ECT. Is what has cost them this season and that is on coaching as well as the kids.. Just not excuses.. Its been a amazing season for Harding going undefeated at home ECT. Beating clear fork would go a huge way for next year along with the coaching getting more involved with the youth ECT not just focusing about varsity its the little things like that which will continue the growth..
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Post by 7up on Oct 24, 2017 17:24:19 GMT -5
Since People Want to bash Harding's schedule as a D2 school, go to JoeEitl.com and check out any other conference in the state with exception to maybe your St.Eds and Ignatius there are a ton of schools with a wide range of divisions on their schedule. With everything that team has went thru with a key running back getting kicked off to MULTIPLE role players quiting not just this year but definitely over past 5 years since Brady has been at the helm and a good 25-30 walking the halls that should be on the field but refuse to play for Brady and Westler, they have done ONE HELL OF A BOUNCE BACK. I say great job they haven't been blown out by any team even though they don't believe in who is coaching them they have showed they believe in each other and that being the ones who have stuck it out they could have easily took the same route and jumped ship like your Blevins,Douglas and even had a few come saying they were transferring and back out. So 6-4 -7-3 whatever it is is great. Now let's hope they can hire more players coaches guys who really care for the kids and actually lobby for the program once that happens or if it happens then maybe they can get something going.
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Post by 4 on Oct 24, 2017 18:37:46 GMT -5
Like article in Marion star today. It’s improvements, next year I expect even better. But you can’t tell me the players don’t respect these coaches. Douglas LOVED Brady. Brady helped him out a lot and Douglas really liked him as a role model. Slater is well respected and I know westler is liked by the players maybe not the fans. He’s had some bad but also a lot of good. Offense has rolled since pleasant. One more week. Don’t see them beating clear fork or with in a score but one can only wish. I hope to see clear fork and pleasant make a run in the playoffs.
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Post by blazer on Oct 24, 2017 19:01:58 GMT -5
Since People Want to bash Harding's schedule as a D2 school, go to JoeEitl.com and check out any other conference in the state with exception to maybe your St.Eds and Ignatius there are a ton of schools with a wide range of divisions on their schedule. With everything that team has went thru with a key running back getting kicked off to MULTIPLE role players quiting not just this year but definitely over past 5 years since Brady has been at the helm and a good 25-30 walking the halls that should be on the field but refuse to play for Brady and Westler, they have done ONE HELL OF A BOUNCE BACK. I say great job they haven't been blown out by any team even though they don't believe in who is coaching them they have showed they believe in each other and that being the ones who have stuck it out they could have easily took the same route and jumped ship like your Blevins,Douglas and even had a few come saying they were transferring and back out. So 6-4 -7-3 whatever it is is great. Now let's hope they can hire more players coaches guys who really care for the kids and actually lobby for the program once that happens or if it happens then maybe they can get something going. It must be a sticking point to you, since you constantly keep bringing it up. I won't bore you with facts that will prove your conference reference wrong, but I will tell that I did not believe Harding would still be in the running for a playoff spot, albeit, a minute one, after week 9. Good luck at Clear Fork this week. They are not unbeatable.
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Post by 7up on Oct 26, 2017 14:01:43 GMT -5
Since People Want to bash Harding's schedule as a D2 school, go to JoeEitl.com and check out any other conference in the state with exception to maybe your St.Eds and Ignatius there are a ton of schools with a wide range of divisions on their schedule. With everything that team has went thru with a key running back getting kicked off to MULTIPLE role players quiting not just this year but definitely over past 5 years since Brady has been at the helm and a good 25-30 walking the halls that should be on the field but refuse to play for Brady and Westler, they have done ONE HELL OF A BOUNCE BACK. I say great job they haven't been blown out by any team even though they don't believe in who is coaching them they have showed they believe in each other and that being the ones who have stuck it out they could have easily took the same route and jumped ship like your Blevins,Douglas and even had a few come saying they were transferring and back out. So 6-4 -7-3 whatever it is is great. Now let's hope they can hire more players coaches guys who really care for the kids and actually lobby for the program once that happens or if it happens then maybe they can get something going. It must be a sticking point to you, since you constantly keep bringing it up. I won't bore you with facts that will prove your conference reference wrong, but I will tell that I did not believe Harding would still be in the running for a playoff spot, albeit, a minute one, after week 9. Good luck at Clear Fork this week. They are not unbeatable. so your telling me Harding is the ONLY D2 school that plays in a conference with a mix of D3,D4,D5 schools?? If so you are very wrong, go check out JoEitl.com. I've done my research so I know I'm right!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 26, 2017 14:36:50 GMT -5
AH, but ALL of the D3, D4, and D5 schools WANTED Harding to be with them in the MOAC. As much as Harding WANTED to be in the MOAC. Harding didn't care one iota about the Divisions the other schools were in. They were just over joyed to be in a league with ALL other Marion county schools, as opposed to traveling all over Northwest Ohio playing schools they had no relationship with.
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Post by blazer on Oct 26, 2017 17:42:13 GMT -5
It must be a sticking point to you, since you constantly keep bringing it up. I won't bore you with facts that will prove your conference reference wrong, but I will tell that I did not believe Harding would still be in the running for a playoff spot, albeit, a minute one, after week 9. Good luck at Clear Fork this week. They are not unbeatable. so your telling me Harding is the ONLY D2 school that plays in a conference with a mix of D3,D4,D5 schools?? If so you are very wrong, go check out JoEitl.com. I've done my research so I know I'm right! List one. You said " check out any other conference in the state with exception to maybe your St.Eds and Ignatius there are a ton of schools with a wide range of divisions on their schedule".
One that a D2 PLAYS other D3, D4, and D5 schools in conference... In football. I have a chance to learn something here.
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Post by moacfootballfan on Oct 27, 2017 6:57:40 GMT -5
According to Joe's site, in general, Div 2 schools play div 1,2,3 heavy schedules. But there are about 3 exceptions in region 7 (whitehall, licking heights, watkins memorial) and 2 in division 8 (tecumseh, western brown) which play a significant amount of 4s an 5s in conference.
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Post by blazer on Oct 27, 2017 10:25:16 GMT -5
Not to keep dragging this on, but I will. The Licking County League (Licking Heights & Watkins Memorial) is divided into two divisions, large school & small school. The Mid-State League(Whitehall) is divided into three divisions. The Ohio division (Whitehall) does have D4, D5, & D6 schools. I'll concede Whitehall. The Central Buckeye Conference (Tecumseh) has two divisions, but Tecumseh only plays D2, D3, & D4 schools. The Southern Buckeye Athletic/Academic Conference (Western Brown) has two divisions also. Western Brown plays D2, D3, D4, and one D5.
I'll concede that Harding is not unique in it's league set-up, but it is the exception and not the rule. Certainly not "Tons of Schools" as was stated. I did learn something after looking up all these teams and conferences. Thanks, 7.
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Post by 4 on Oct 27, 2017 18:27:48 GMT -5
Harding 0 clear fork 7 Pleasant 7 Ontario 7 After 1st quarter.
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Post by rib1 on Oct 27, 2017 18:46:36 GMT -5
Harding is not a D3 or D4 team playing D2, LOL. They ARE in Div. 2. Now with 7 divisions, I believe MH would have been out of D1 several years. I Like the League. Enjoy reading the posts about MH getting smaller. Yes, they are as is Mans. Sr. and other towns loosing Industry, etc. MH is finding out, what they would have if they would have been in the league 15 years ago. Except that, About all of those years they would have faced much Better Pleasant teams (than they have 2 previous years weak as any Pleasant ive seen in 25 years). And NU teams for sure. What 5 6 years ago MH Was Playing JA and getting running clock in 3rd and pounded by them yes? This year lost by 14 and compete now. Another interesting point, Look at Soccor, CC, Golf. MH finished 6th, 7th and 8th, LOL in the 8 team league. How many boys titles MH got in the League now? Fairbanks had 2 in their 2 years before they got out.
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Post by 7up on Nov 9, 2017 15:43:54 GMT -5
Not to keep dragging this on, but I will. The Licking County League (Licking Heights & Watkins Memorial) is divided into two divisions, large school & small school. The Mid-State League(Whitehall) is divided into three divisions. The Ohio division (Whitehall) does have D4, D5, & D6 schools. I'll concede Whitehall. The Central Buckeye Conference (Tecumseh) has two divisions, but Tecumseh only plays D2, D3, & D4 schools. The Southern Buckeye Athletic/Academic Conference (Western Brown) has two divisions also. Western Brown plays D2, D3, D4, and one D5. I'll concede that Harding is not unique in it's league set-up, but it is the exception and not the rule. Certainly not "Tons of Schools" as was stated. I did learn something after looking up all these teams and conferences. Thanks, 7. okay lack of a better word by saying tons...how about quite a few, but I'm glad people are realizing this and Harding is not the only school playing in a conference with a few smaller schools, which are powerhouses in their respective divisions . And I would of loved seeing Harding vs Pleasant instead of Harding vs River Valley in Hinton years
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 10, 2017 16:18:53 GMT -5
I know of one league that has a good mixture of D-2, D-3, D-4 teams and that is the Western Buckeye League. But they are really spread out. You have teams like Defiance playing Wapak, St. Mary's, Celina as the furthers to the closest Ottawa-Glandorf who happens to be a D-4 school. I think Marion Harding is a great fit for the MOAC as Marion is losing business and population. Marion might, and if you notice I said might, be a D-3 to D-4 school one of these days. Where would some of you guys be and what would you be saying if this happens and Marion starts winning when they are your size. Are you still going to still be saying that Marion should be out of the league because they are winning and we can't have that. Some of you guys should be playing teams that are maybe a little bigger than you are. Take Norwalk St. Paul's for intends. They for a long time have played schools that are much bigger than they are. They have played teams like Huron, Elyria Catholic, and other teams that are D-5 or D-4 and look at them. They are always winning their conference, in the play-offs each year and in 2009 my oldest senior year they were D-6 State Champions. So some of you quit complaining about Harding and maybe start sucking it up and go out and get bigger, better, and stronger.
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Post by babymaker on Nov 10, 2017 16:51:42 GMT -5
You really want to use that example? A private school?
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Post by blazer on Nov 10, 2017 19:31:08 GMT -5
WBL has no DII teams.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 11, 2017 0:20:00 GMT -5
Blazer: I think, unless they were dropped down this year, that Defiance, Wapak, and maybe Lima Shawnee are or were D-2.
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