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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 22, 2017 15:34:35 GMT -5
Game is at 3:30 on Fox. Ohio State is currently a 7 pt favorite. Last year Penn State won in Happy Valley 24-21.
My take is that this game comes down to one player, JT Barrett. Will he choke on the big stage once again?
If JT Barrett chokes on the big stage, 31-13 Penn State If JT Barrett doesn't choke, 28-24 Ohio State If JT Barrett has turned the corner and has a chance of leading OSU to a NC this year, 38-17 Ohio State
The better JT Barrett plays the less Penn State has the ball. That's why the amount OSU will give up in my predictions changes.
Iowa gave Penn State all they could handle when Penn State went on the road.... Yep, Iowa. Everyone has lit up Oklahoma's defense this year, that is everyone except JT Barrett.
Will JT Barrett choke on the big stage again? I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 15:52:03 GMT -5
Not sure why this isn't a prime time night game. A lot TV money being lost in the 3:30 time slot.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 22, 2017 16:34:29 GMT -5
Game is at 3:30 on Fox. Ohio State is currently a 7 pt favorite. Last year Penn State won in Happy Valley 24-21. My take is that this game comes down to one player, JT Barrett. Will he choke on the big stage once again? If JT Barrett chokes on the big stage, 31-13 Penn State If JT Barrett doesn't choke, 28-24 Ohio State If JT Barrett has turned the corner and has a chance of leading OSU to a NC this year, 38-17 Ohio State The better JT Barrett plays the less Penn State has the ball. That's why the amount OSU will give up in my predictions changes. Iowa gave Penn State all they could handle when Penn State went on the road.... Yep, Iowa. Everyone has lit up Oklahoma's defense this year, that is everyone except JT Barrett. Will JT Barrett choke on the big stage again? I don't know. More useless mundane generalities. I want some specifics. What kind of stats will JT have if he "chokes"? What kind of stats must JT have if he doesn't "choke" and Ohio State squeaks out a win? What kind of stats will JT have if he "turned the corner"? Ohio State has to beat Penn State by 3 TDs to win a NC??? Look at the history of the 2 years that led up to Ohio State making the 4 Team Playoff. IF JT is injured in practice Monday is Ohio State guaranteed a win? How good does the play calling have to be for Ohio State to win? How many dropped passes can Ohio State have and still win? How many rushing yards does Ohio State need for a win? How many pass interference and holding penalties can Ohio State's DBs have and Ohio State still win? What is Ohio State going to do about Penn States 2 jumping jack 6-6 receivers? You think Ohio State can win if they hold Penn State to 24? Oklahoma scored 31 against Ohio State's defense For Ohio State to win there must be a HUGE improvement in Special Teams. Look at last years 24-21 loss in happy valley. Block punt that turned into a Penn State field goal and a blocked field returned for a TD, a 10 point swing. Without special team blunders alone Ohio Sate could have won 24-14. This year's Special Teams are playing worse against lesser teams.
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 22, 2017 18:44:31 GMT -5
Thread title should say 10/28
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 23, 2017 18:34:15 GMT -5
Game is at 3:30 on Fox. Ohio State is currently a 7 pt favorite. Last year Penn State won in Happy Valley 24-21. My take is that this game comes down to one player, JT Barrett. Will he choke on the big stage once again? If JT Barrett chokes on the big stage, 31-13 Penn State If JT Barrett doesn't choke, 28-24 Ohio State If JT Barrett has turned the corner and has a chance of leading OSU to a NC this year, 38-17 Ohio State The better JT Barrett plays the less Penn State has the ball. That's why the amount OSU will give up in my predictions changes. Iowa gave Penn State all they could handle when Penn State went on the road.... Yep, Iowa. Everyone has lit up Oklahoma's defense this year, that is everyone except JT Barrett. Will JT Barrett choke on the big stage again? I don't know. THE REAL STORY. When Ohio State lost last year AT Penn State. JT completed 65% of his passes for 254 yards. McSorley completed 33% of his passes for 154 yards. All the whining is JT was at fault for losing this game. JT can't win big games. PROOF that it takes more than ONE player to win a "big game" ALSO, this year Penn State has the #1 pass defense in the country. Ohio State has the #31 pass defense in the country. Who better step their game up??
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 23, 2017 22:21:57 GMT -5
Game is at 3:30 on Fox. Ohio State is currently a 7 pt favorite. Last year Penn State won in Happy Valley 24-21. My take is that this game comes down to one player, JT Barrett. Will he choke on the big stage once again? If JT Barrett chokes on the big stage, 31-13 Penn State If JT Barrett doesn't choke, 28-24 Ohio State If JT Barrett has turned the corner and has a chance of leading OSU to a NC this year, 38-17 Ohio State The better JT Barrett plays the less Penn State has the ball. That's why the amount OSU will give up in my predictions changes. Iowa gave Penn State all they could handle when Penn State went on the road.... Yep, Iowa. Everyone has lit up Oklahoma's defense this year, that is everyone except JT Barrett. Will JT Barrett choke on the big stage again? I don't know. THE REAL STORY. When Ohio State lost last year AT Penn State. JT completed 65% of his passes for 254 yards. McSorley completed 33% of his passes for 154 yards. All the whining is JT was at fault for losing this game. JT can't win big games. PROOF that it takes more than ONE player to win a "big game" ALSO, this year Penn State has the #1 pass defense in the country. Ohio State has the #31 pass defense in the country. Who better step their game up?? Surely, you don't expect the J.T. bashers to let facts get in the way of their unfounded criticisms. 'JT completed 65% of his passes for 254 yards. McSorley completed 33% of his passes for 154 yards." McSorley's pitiful performance went unnoticed. Ohio State special teams lost that game by their pivotal mistakes.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 24, 2017 6:18:11 GMT -5
lol Ohio State #2, Penn State unranked JT Barrett blew a 21-7 4th quarter lead to an unranked opponent. When things got tight, JT choked. JT Barrett 28 of 43 for 245 yards passing. It took him 43 attempts to get 245 yards passing. 5.7 yards per pass attempt by JT Barrett 6.7 yards per pass attempt by Trace McSorely McSorely was more effective passing and McSorely didn't even play goodJT Barrett ran it 17 times for 26 yards, 1.5 yards per carry. Trace McSorely ran it 19 times for 63 yards, 3.3 yards per carry. McSorely was more effective running the ballwww.espn.com/video/clip?id=17862303^^^ ESPN clip of the game
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 6:53:11 GMT -5
"Barrett's chance to win some big ones has arrived. The veteran quarterback is once again putting up gaudy numbers against the teams Ohio State should beat, with 22 total touchdowns and no interceptions in five games since the loss to Oklahoma. He can cement his legacy as an all-timer by proving he can make clutch plays in the close games, too." ~ ESPN Analyst
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 24, 2017 7:26:41 GMT -5
lol Ohio State #2, Penn State unranked JT Barrett blew a 21-7 4th quarter lead to an unranked opponent. When things got tight, JT choked. JT Barrett 28 of 43 for 245 yards passing. It took him 43 attempts to get 245 yards passing. 5.7 yards per pass attempt by JT Barrett 6.7 yards per pass attempt by Trace McSorely McSorely was more effective passing and McSorely didn't even play goodJT Barrett ran it 17 times for 26 yards, 1.5 yards per carry. Trace McSorely ran it 19 times for 63 yards, 3.3 yards per carry. McSorely was more effective running the ballwww.espn.com/video/clip?id=17862303^^^ ESPN clip of the game McSorely was outplayed that day by his counterpart for the Buckeyes, no one disputes that, but the killer that produced the upset was poor special teams play that produced the 10 point swing in the final moments of the game and a Penn State 3 point win.
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Post by baldref on Oct 24, 2017 8:57:57 GMT -5
Special teams play has plagued the Bucks all year. Missed FGs, poor kickoff coverage, poor tackling, blocking etc. This could easily be a repeat of last year's special teams efforts, although you know Urban hasn't let that go un-noticed. One good thing -- seems like in the past PSU has always had the "off" week before OSU game. Now, OSU has had two weeks to prep for this one. Hope this helps. IF OSU can establish a consistent run game other than JT, that will help as well. It's a ton of pressure on JT though, have to admit. But that's what you want if you're a player and also a coach -- ride your horse. Hopefully, the receivers do a better job catching the ball and getting open against a quality defense too. Is the World Series a night game Saturday night? Otherwise, makes little sense for advertisers $$$ and viewership.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 24, 2017 11:04:26 GMT -5
lol Ohio State #2, Penn State unranked JT Barrett blew a 21-7 4th quarter lead to an unranked opponent. When things got tight, JT choked. JT Barrett 28 of 43 for 245 yards passing. It took him 43 attempts to get 245 yards passing. 5.7 yards per pass attempt by JT Barrett 6.7 yards per pass attempt by Trace McSorely McSorely was more effective passing and McSorely didn't even play goodJT Barrett ran it 17 times for 26 yards, 1.5 yards per carry. Trace McSorely ran it 19 times for 63 yards, 3.3 yards per carry. McSorely was more effective running the ballwww.espn.com/video/clip?id=17862303^^^ ESPN clip of the game -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ONE yard difference per pass attempt is the reason Ohio State lost the game?? . A completion percentage of 33% by McSorely compared to 65% by Barrett makes McSorley more effective??? The dumbest stat claim in the history of statistics. This alone proves your stats are WORTHLESS and driven by hate alone. You blame Barrett for not having as many rushing yards as McSorley. Whose fault is that? DUH, Ohio State's offensive line and/or the Penn State defense!! Surely you aren't one of the neophytes that think a runner doesn't need the O-line to block for him to gain yards. As can be seen it is ABSOLUTELY impossible and doltish to blame ONE out of 150 individuals on a TEAM. Being a hate monger is what makes your stats worthless. They never tell the whole story. Why didn't you tell us what the score was in the 4th quarter? Because it doesn't fit your hate monger narrative. The score in the 4th quarter was Ohio State 21, Penn State 7. OBVIOUSLY SPECIAL TEAMS and DEFENSE in the 4th quarter WAS the reason Ohio State lost. Admit it. If not, you will have been proven that your stats are worthless and you're nothing more than a hate monger. ALSO, why didn't you tell us that this was Ohio State's 2nd night game in a row against two Top 10 teams and both of those teams had bye weeks before they played Ohio State? BECAUSE it does not fit your hate monger narrative. THANK YOU for the clip. It shows how desperate you are, proves my points and nullifies yours! BTW, why didn't you answer any of my questions concerning your mundane ambiguous predictions and the obvious which were left out in first post?? You can't, can you?
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 24, 2017 11:38:36 GMT -5
lol Ohio State #2, Penn State unranked JT Barrett blew a 21-7 4th quarter lead to an unranked opponent. When things got tight, JT choked. JT Barrett 28 of 43 for 245 yards passing. It took him 43 attempts to get 245 yards passing. 5.7 yards per pass attempt by JT Barrett 6.7 yards per pass attempt by Trace McSorely McSorely was more effective passing and McSorely didn't even play goodJT Barrett ran it 17 times for 26 yards, 1.5 yards per carry. Trace McSorely ran it 19 times for 63 yards, 3.3 yards per carry. McSorely was more effective running the ballwww.espn.com/video/clip?id=17862303^^^ ESPN clip of the game You expose yourself, by not mentioning McSorleys passing stats for the game. J.T.'s yards per completion was 8.75, a pretty good days work.
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Post by 1percenter on Oct 24, 2017 11:46:47 GMT -5
Everything in red is highlighted by me because they are a head scratcher. lol Ohio State #2, Penn State unranked JT Barrett blew a 21-7 4th quarter lead to an unranked opponent. When things got tight, JT choked. JT Barrett 28 of 43 for 245 yards passing. It took him 43 attempts to get 245 yards passing. 5.7 yards per pass attempt by JT Barrett 6.7 yards per pass attempt by Trace McSorely McSorely was more effective passing and McSorely didn't even play goodJT Barrett ran it 17 times for 26 yards, 1.5 yards per carry. Trace McSorely ran it 19 times for 63 yards, 3.3 yards per carry. McSorely was more effective running the ballwww.espn.com/video/clip?id=17862303^^^ ESPN clip of the game -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You blame Barrett for not having as many rushing yards as McSorley. Whose fault is that? DUH, Ohio State's offensive line and the Wisconsin defense!! Wisconsin defense? Why didn't you tell us what the score was in the 4th quarter? Because it doesn't fit your hate monger narrative. The score in the 4th quarter was Ohio State 21, Wisconsin 7 Rambo did mention the 4th quarter score and once again you bring up Wisconsin. Do you even know what is going on or are you just trolling?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 24, 2017 12:08:41 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing out my error, I'll correct. I had Wisconsin on my mind, since they were the first of the two back to back night night games played on the road by Ohio State. Another FACT that Rambo failed to mention.
Rambo did not mention the 4th quarter score in his first post. His only reason for mentioning it in his 2nd post was to blame Barrett for the loss!?!?
Ohio State led 21-7 in the FOURTH QUARTER. In the FOURTH QUARTER a blocked punt led to a FG for Penn State and a blocked FG returned for a TD was a 10 point swing in favor of Penn State. Does Barrett play on special teams? NONE of those FACTS were mentioned by Rambo.
Rambo failed to mention that Barrett completed 65% of his passes in that game
YOU tell us, why did Rambo fail to mention those very pertinent STATS and FACTS?
YOU tell us, why did Ohio State lose that game?
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 24, 2017 13:11:19 GMT -5
You expose yourself, by not mentioning McSorleys passing stats for the game. J.T.'s yards per completion was 8.75, a pretty good days work. So JT's 8.75 yards per completion is pretty good. McSorely had 19.25 yards per completion. 19.25 > 8.75 McSorely played poorly we all admit that. Yet he ran better than JT and on what matters passing yards per attempt he beat JT there too. And McSorely played poorly that game. JT froze up fast when the game got tight late.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 24, 2017 13:13:14 GMT -5
Everything in red is highlighted by me because they are a head scratcher. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You blame Barrett for not having as many rushing yards as McSorley. Whose fault is that? DUH, Ohio State's offensive line and the Wisconsin defense!! Wisconsin defense? Why didn't you tell us what the score was in the 4th quarter? Because it doesn't fit your hate monger narrative. The score in the 4th quarter was Ohio State 21, Wisconsin 7 Rambo did mention the 4th quarter score and once again you bring up Wisconsin. Do you even know what is going on or are you just trolling? Just block the dude like I did, all he does is lie and make up stats don't waste your time reading his drivel.
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Post by 4 on Oct 24, 2017 14:58:58 GMT -5
OSU by 10.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 24, 2017 18:41:30 GMT -5
Everything in red is highlighted by me because they are a head scratcher. Wisconsin defense? Rambo did mention the 4th quarter score and once again you bring up Wisconsin. Do you even know what is going on or are you just trolling? Just block the dude like I did, all he does is lie and make up stats don't waste your time reading his drivel. If everyone on here starts using the block feature liberally, everytime they encounter someone they have standing disagreements with, guess what? We are greatly diminishing the communication and interaction with one another and ultimately, the end of the forum. WF can be a bit obstinate at times, but he also offers some good insights and perspectives on most topics. You don't have to agree with him all the time, as there are those who may not agree with anything you might have to say at times. Having the ability to debate an issue or idea with someone that has diametrically opposing views, without letting anger take over your psychy, can be difficult, but certainly you haven't lost the objectiveness to see their point of view and where they are coming from. Acknowledging the other side of the disagreement and resisting the natural tendency of anger, is like resisting road rage, when someone blatantly violates your safety as a motorist. Very difficult at times.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 24, 2017 20:38:52 GMT -5
It's still hard to comprehend how a team that dominated their opponent to the extent Ohio State did over Penn State, they could come up on the short side of on the scoreboard. Special teams, special teams, special teams!
Total yds. Ohio State 413 Penn State 276
Total yds. rushing Ohio State 168 Penn State 122
Total yds.passing Ohio State 245 Penn State 154
3rd down efficiency Ohio State 9-22 Penn State 2-13
1st downs Ohio State 19 Penn State 13
Time of possesion Ohio State 37:19 Penn State 22:41
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 24, 2017 20:45:05 GMT -5
Sportsjock I didn't block you and we disagree. Everyone should block WF though. All he does is make up stats and pass them off as facts he's a waste of space. Maybe he can tell us again how Conner Cook played in the 2015 game vs OSU. WF described his running style and throws in that game even though he never played. I'd guess since I blocked him he's gone on to tell us how great JT Barrett played vs Bama and Oregon in 2014, describing make believe plays of JT Barrett juking the entire Bama team on a 80 yard TD run.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 21:02:58 GMT -5
If the Admins were worried about the blocking feature ending the forum I doubt they would have made it active when they built the site.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 24, 2017 21:53:32 GMT -5
If the Admins were worried about the blocking feature ending the forum I doubt they would have made it active when they built the site. I think all of us have been quite selective who we might decide to block. I'll admit to blocking one particular individual, but he is an infrequent visitor to NorthCoast these days. He was irrelevant anyway and there were others that did the same as I. I enjoy listening from all you guys, though I might challenge some of the comments at times. We've had great discussions, but some of you tend to let anger creep into the picture and begin the personal insults, of course the other guy is obliged to reciprocate and then the escalating fight is on. I have little doubt, some of you guys that are at each others throats, would be surprisingly cordial and civil towards one another, sharing a table at a sports bar, over a cold one. Sure, we could shout points of contention, get heavy on someones case, razzing and perhaps a shout now and then, but one smile can stabilize things in a millisecond. We all share one common interest, our lifelong love of sports. For most of us, it's one our true passions in life. Most of us have played, coached, officiated and then became spectators of most every kind of sport you can imagine in our lifetime. (I know I sure have.) For that, we all share a common bond.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 24, 2017 22:21:29 GMT -5
Rambo is the liar. He only gives you the stats that furthers his cause. On this thread I gave the stats he KNEW, but chose not to supply. because they would negate his hate monger position. Rambo is just like scootyDude. They both block those who prove them wrong and expose them as the LIARS they are.
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 25, 2017 7:05:40 GMT -5
Choke job by JT on the way. PSU will pressure JT all night and when there is pressure, JT sucks. If the buckeyes can squeak a win out, which I hope they do, I believe it will come down to our D and our running game. I will gladly eat crow if JT has a very good game but odds are he will not.
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 25, 2017 7:06:20 GMT -5
Rambo is the liar. He only gives you the stats that furthers his cause. On this thread I gave the stats he KNEW, but chose not to supply. because they would negate his hate monger position. Rambo is just like scootyDude. They both block those who prove them wrong and expose them as the LIARS they are. You can't even get the right name of the team OSU was playing so just calm down and eat a snickers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 7:33:25 GMT -5
The block feature is a beautiful thing
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 25, 2017 8:16:14 GMT -5
Choke job by JT on the way. PSU will pressure JT all night and when there is pressure, JT sucks. If the buckeyes can squeak a win out, which I hope they do, I believe it will come down to our D and our running game. I will gladly eat crow if JT has a very good game but odds are he will not. He had a strong game at Penn State last year, no reason he won't do the same this year. Quarterback is not one of my concerns on Saturday. Hope we are serving you 'crow' on a silver platter Saturday night. GO BUCKS1
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 25, 2017 12:04:04 GMT -5
He had a strong game at Penn State last year, no reason he won't do the same this year. Strong game?He had a QB Rating of 120.7 in last years game vs PSU A 120.7 QB Rating over the course of 2016 would have ranked 98th. Not a typo, 98th best in 2016. JT finished with a 135.3 QB Rating last year, good for 61st place Strong game? And on top of that QB Rating he ran it 17 times for 26 yards. Strong game?JT was blah in last year game and choked in the 4th quarter. If JT plays slightly better this year I expect OSU to win 28-24. If JT chokes like he has in a lot of Big Games in his career then PSU runs away 31-13. If JT has turned the corner and behaves like he did last game then OSU runs away and wins 38-17
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 25, 2017 17:03:26 GMT -5
J.T. had a solid game last year under the circumstances, completing 65.1% of his passes for 245 yards, with zero turnovers
This article in the SBNATION sums up things quite well....entitled: J.T. BARRETT WAS LETDOWN BY THE OHIO STATE COACHING STAFF VS. PENN STATE
J.T. Barrett’s Passing Chart vs Penn State Designed Runs Dropbacks Completions Incompletions Total TD Scrambles Overthrows Throwaways 6 51 26 14 1 5 3 2 Pressured Sacked Hit Pass Break-Up Batted at LOS Drops Turnovers Defensive PI 26 6 7 2 0 4 0 0 There are major question marks regarding this chart. The first thing that stands out is the 51 times that J.T. Barrett dropped back. The game was being played in a crazy, wet environment, the Buckeyes led by 12-plus points at two different instances in the game, the line could not block and Penn State never led until there was 4:27 left in the ball game. Why is Barrett throwing the ball 43 times when they have never once been a passing team, especially on the road and against an inferior opponent?
To make matter worse, the offensive line could not pass protect — especially Isaiah Prince. Out of Barrett’s 51 dropbacks, he was pressured a whopping 26 times, hit seven times and sacked six times. Price himself accounted for 19 pressures, four hits and three sacks. If there is one weak link on the offensive line during a game, wouldn’t it be helpful to keep a tight end in on his side to help — since Penn State constantly brought a linebacker off the edge — or call a screen or a draw to that side? The pressure numbers would be even greater if Barrett didn’t pull multiple Houdini acts to avoid a sack. Barrett gained 20-plus yards on this play, somehow: This just can’t happen:
If an individual player is allowing such gaudy pressure numbers, the staff needs to find a way to help him — especially if they do not trust a backup player in that spot. Instead, they dropped Barrett back over-and-over again and ultimately left him out to dry — in a game where they led for 90-percent of the time.
Barrett’s played one of his better games under the terrible circumstances that he was given. He kept calm in the pocket while avoiding rushers and constantly kept his eyes downfield, looking to make a play. The receivers — sans Samuel and Noah Brown — have all regressed since the Oklahoma game and can no longer get open. They aren’t facing Thorpe Award candidates and should be winning these one-on-one battles.
Overall, J.T. Barrett battled the entire game, in a game where he shouldn’t have even been asked to battle. Once again, the staff over-thought the game plan and it resulted in a Buckeye loss.
Thankfully, Ed Warriner is out of the picture this year. He was in over his head as an offensive coordinator and I'm sure Urban discovered that fact from game one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 21:21:28 GMT -5
sportsjock, did you also blame Steve Fisher when Chris Weber called the timeout?
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