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Post by DrTorch on Jul 9, 2016 13:32:31 GMT -5
i understand he is not a superstar, but imho we need more role players not more superstars
any shot taken by someone else is a shot not taken by James or Kyrie...we need guys who can defend on the perimeter...i'd like to see us get an athletic 3 and D small forward but i like the Cavs roster...tweak it don't throw a sauce on it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 10:16:43 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying but Dunleavy does not average 1 steal or 1 blocked shot a game. He is not known as a defensive accomplishments.
Besides, he was already there when I asked the question. I was wondering about anything new happening since they are waiting to sign LBJ to make sure they have the financial space.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 6:51:47 GMT -5
Talks heating up between Paul George and the Cavs.
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Post by DrTorch on Jun 22, 2017 19:19:25 GMT -5
Butler to the TWolves
The irony of the Cavs trying to trade Kevin Love in order to secure an athletic 2/3 who can defend the perimeter is that they traded an athletic 2/3 who can defend the perimeter to get Kevin Love.
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Post by tommygunn on Jun 26, 2017 8:29:05 GMT -5
Love is going to get traded.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 22, 2017 15:19:45 GMT -5
so i see Kyrie just requested a trade
hmmm
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 22, 2017 23:30:09 GMT -5
I think LeBron eluded to this being a possibility during this past season. Kyrie has advanced to the point where he no longer wants to carry LeBron's gym bag.
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Post by galion on Jul 23, 2017 3:48:42 GMT -5
He's already signed a max deal so he's hardly carrying anyone's gym bag. His problem is he has zero leverage. The Cavs own his *** for the next two years with an option for a third. The genius probably should have mentioned something before the Butler and George deals went down.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2017 11:55:25 GMT -5
i remember when Kyrie was the man for the Cavs
meh
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2017 11:56:42 GMT -5
He's already signed a max deal so he's hardly carrying anyone's gym bag. His problem is he has zero leverage. The Cavs own his *** for the next two years with an option for a third. The genius probably should have mentioned something before the Butler and George deals went down. word is he requested a trade before the draft the fact that he went public with it kills his trade value to a certain extent...what strange timing trade him for Wiggins lol <B
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 13:01:19 GMT -5
He's already signed a max deal so he's hardly carrying anyone's gym bag. His problem is he has zero leverage. The Cavs own his *** for the next two years with an option for a third. The genius probably should have mentioned something before the Butler and George deals went down. word is he requested a trade before the draft the fact that he went public with it kills his trade value to a certain extent...what strange timing trade him for Wiggins lol <B As the #1 overall pick he has never carried anyone's gym bag but once a trade is made I doubt anyone will need to carry his either.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2017 14:19:44 GMT -5
hey i love Kyrie i'm a little cut up about this
so it goes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 14:23:32 GMT -5
hey i love Kyrie i'm a little cut up about this so it goes I think he is a very good player, but he has proven he cannot carry a team. So wherever he ends up he will have someone as good if not better if he wants to play late into May.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2017 14:28:15 GMT -5
true but he has proven he can hit shots in the most important times, and that isn't a skill that is easy to come by
he is a true ice water in the veins player
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 15:12:20 GMT -5
In pro sports players are paid for a number of reasons. Kyrie is paid to finish. And he does it well, but His play alone doesn't make anyone better or carry a team. In my opinion he is a very good player that can do his thing with any team but but he doesn't go to any team and definitely take them to the playoffs.
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Post by galion on Jul 23, 2017 18:37:38 GMT -5
To be fair Kyrie did lead the Cavs into the lottery and multiple number 1 draft picks.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 23, 2017 19:46:08 GMT -5
He's already signed a max deal so he's hardly carrying anyone's gym bag. His problem is he has zero leverage. The Cavs own his *** for the next two years with an option for a third. The genius probably should have mentioned something before the Butler and George deals went down. Whether he can be THE man for a team or not can only be known when he leaves LeBron's shadow. LeBron said he was at that point in his career. I read an article that said, Kyrie saying this gives CAV's management the opportunity to build another team around LeBron. They now know it won't disappoint Kyrie or anyone on the team using him as bait to acquire 1st round draft choices or front line players.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 23, 2017 19:49:22 GMT -5
In pro sports players are paid for a number of reasons. Kyrie is paid to finish. And he does it well, but His play alone doesn't make anyone better or carry a team. In my opinion he is a very good player that can do his thing with any team but but he doesn't go to any team and definitely take them to the playoffs. I seriously doubt Kyrie wants to go to a team that hasn't been in the playoffs. IMO, if he went to the Celtics he'd be THE man and could lead them to the NBA Finals.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2017 20:07:20 GMT -5
he'd be a better fit in NY
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Post by galion on Jul 23, 2017 21:13:19 GMT -5
Obviously winning isn't as important to him as being the guy. He's been on both lottery teams and championship contenders, yet he'd prefer to be on the Knicks than continue to collect a max salary and win in LeBron's shadow. Sorry, this is not a guy who is going to lead anyone to the finals. He's just a poor man's version of Russell Westbrook.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 6:35:55 GMT -5
I agree galion, if the guy is not all-in on what the focus is then it serves the team best to trade him. Kyrie's desired landing places would be of no interest to me as I would search for what helps the team the best in return. If that puts him back on a lottery team, so what. As a GM, I would have to keep in mind that this guy's primary focus is not about winning for your team.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 24, 2017 11:24:14 GMT -5
maybe Kyrie doesn't want to be stuck holding the bag if LeBron leaves before he does
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 13:15:34 GMT -5
maybe Kyrie doesn't want to be stuck holding the bag if LeBron leaves before he does If that were to happen then Kyrie would get his wish of being THE guy on a team. Plus it would give him 1 more season with a very good chance to reach the NBA Finals.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 24, 2017 15:40:23 GMT -5
yeah he would be the man of a team built to suit LeBron and his half court sets
remember when Kyrie signed, he thought he was going to be the man...then 11 days later LeBron came back
Kyrie doesn't want to get stuck with what the Cavs will look like in the wake of another LeBron departure. I'm bummed but I don't blame him. Didn't make sense to me at first but I get it now. He will never have more leverage than he does at this moment. Also rumors abound that it was LeBron's camp that leaked the trade request. Kind of weak.
Can't see him with the team going into training camp.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 17:53:58 GMT -5
I remember when Kyrie signed he was coming off his 3rd losing season as him being the man for the Cavs. The guy has a max deal, has made it to the finals the last 3 years, won a championship and gets more shots than anyone on the team AND contributes very little on the other end of the court. I just don't get it.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jul 24, 2017 19:56:23 GMT -5
Cavs reportedly about to sign Derrick Rose to a 1 year $2.1M deal
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Post by galion on Jul 25, 2017 0:09:40 GMT -5
maybe Kyrie doesn't want to be stuck holding the bag if LeBron leaves before he does Correct me if I'm wrong but Love will still be there as well. Also how long was the contract that TT signed for? That's an entirely different situation than he walked into when he was drafted. Plus, whether you love him or hate him, Gilbert has shown a willingness to spend money. Now whether or not he's willing to go as far into the luxury tax as he is currently remains to be seen. However, if LeBron does leave it will be out west and the bar to be an Eastern conference finalist is pretty low.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 25, 2017 8:56:46 GMT -5
Why on Earth would LeBron go out West?
He's been to 7 straight Finals in the East. He ain't going out West.
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Post by CEOSouth on Jul 25, 2017 9:53:11 GMT -5
Cavs reportedly about to sign Derrick Rose to a 1 year $2.1M deal About 35 knees too late.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 25, 2017 19:44:29 GMT -5
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