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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 10:32:26 GMT -5
I don't think it's Norwalk getting that small it's more about trying to find local games for fans and travel. Our area has more D3 and D4 teams so the D1 and D2 teams have to play smaller schools or take longer bus rides. It's all about the players you have, Gray purposely scheduled Wittmer for two years because of the players he had and the competition would prepare him better for a tournament run. It worked because they won state, plus having two college basketball players on your team helps as well. Coaches have a lot of control on their own schedule. For example, I am shocked Western Reserve played a two year match up with Sandusky. I am willing to bet that was done because Sheldon thought the one kid who ended up leaving was going to be a big impact player. That backfired and western has been beat pretty bad both times. However, it does prepare your team for tournament success. It all comes down to how you feel about wins and losses, would you rather play cupcake teams that might build success and have a good record to show for it or would you substitute some of those games for quality teams that you know will probably beat you but get you ready for a tournament run. I see good and bad from both approaches.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 12:15:17 GMT -5
I don't think it's Norwalk getting that small it's more about trying to find local games for fans and travel. Our area has more D3 and D4 teams so the D1 and D2 teams have to play smaller schools or take longer bus rides. It's all about the players you have, Gray purposely scheduled Wittmer for two years because of the players he had and the competition would prepare him better for a tournament run. It worked because they won state, plus having two college basketball players on your team helps as well. Coaches have a lot of control on their own schedule. For example, I am shocked Western Reserve played a two year match up with Sandusky. I am willing to bet that was done because Sheldon thought the one kid who ended up leaving was going to be a big impact player. That backfired and western has been beat pretty bad both times. However, it does prepare your team for tournament success. It all comes down to how you feel about wins and losses, would you rather play cupcake teams that might build success and have a good record to show for it or would you substitute some of those games for quality teams that you know will probably beat you but get you ready for a tournament run. I see good and bad from both approaches. We all know there are coaches that have this on their brain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 12:22:27 GMT -5
I don't think it's Norwalk getting that small it's more about trying to find local games for fans and travel. Our area has more D3 and D4 teams so the D1 and D2 teams have to play smaller schools or take longer bus rides. It's all about the players you have, Gray purposely scheduled Wittmer for two years because of the players he had and the competition would prepare him better for a tournament run. It worked because they won state, plus having two college basketball players on your team helps as well. Coaches have a lot of control on their own schedule. For example, I am shocked Western Reserve played a two year match up with Sandusky. I am willing to bet that was done because Sheldon thought the one kid who ended up leaving was going to be a big impact player. That backfired and western has been beat pretty bad both times. However, it does prepare your team for tournament success. It all comes down to how you feel about wins and losses, would you rather play cupcake teams that might build success and have a good record to show for it or would you substitute some of those games for quality teams that you know will probably beat you but get you ready for a tournament run. I see good and bad from both approaches. I definitely is about the talent you have but not many teams have that Norwalk talent you mentioned.
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Post by gibby23 on Dec 29, 2017 12:33:35 GMT -5
I think about 75% of coaches will take the cupcake wins over scheduling up especially when it involves less travel. Not saying its right or wrong.
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Post by berg19 on Dec 29, 2017 14:04:19 GMT -5
Norwalk 12-16-19-18 - 65 South Central 9-5-7-15 - 36 Norwalk (3-5): 24-45 FG, 10-16 FT, 7-17 3pt (Roth 2, Ehrenberg 2, Chapin, Haraway, Obringer), 42 rebounds (Haraway 9), 15 turnovers. Scoring: Garrett Chapin 1 2-2 5, Eric Hull 2 3-6 7, Matt Neuberger 2 1-2 5, Jacob Roth 6 0-0 14, Kyler Lacy 3 0-0 6, Brandon Haraway 4 4-6 13, Andrew Ehrenberg 4 0-0 10, Jack Mei 1 0-0 2, Josh Welfle 0 0-0 0, Garrett Obringer 1 0-0 3, Chase Jubak 0 0-0 0. South Central (4-4): 11-45 FG, 9-17 FT, 5-+8 3pt (Blair 2, Siedel, Holland, B. Lamoreaux), 27 rebounds (B. Lamoreaux 6), 14 turnovers. Scoring: Simon Blair 4 3-6 13, Ben Lamoreaux 2 2-5 7, Alex Holland 1 0-0 3, Isaiah Siedel 1 3-4 5, Evan Legg 2 1-2 5, David Lamoreaux 1 0-0 2, Tycen Cooper 0 0-0 0, Ethan Gifford 0 0-0 0. Not that anyone cares, but Ehrenberg had 12 not 10, not sure who got credit for it, but hit 2 3's , 2 buzzer beater 2's and a layup, that's 12.
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Post by sweathog on Dec 29, 2017 14:06:26 GMT -5
I think about 75% of coaches will take the cupcake wins over scheduling up especially when it involves less travel. Not saying its right or wrong. Well I think you are wrong!! You want to play a good team so you get better, not play a weak team just to get a win!!!
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Post by backgammon on Dec 29, 2017 14:14:24 GMT -5
SHELBY-BELLEVUE GAME IS STARTING AN HOUR EARLY FRIDAY!! FRESHMAN START AT 3:30 AND JV AND VARSITY TO FOLLOW, AROUND 6:30 FOR VARSITY DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY? ARE ANY OTHER SCHOOLS DOING THIS? IS THERE MORE SNOW COMING OR DO SOME JUST WANT TO WATCH THE STUPID BUCYEYES AND THEIR BAD QUARTERBACK LOSE!!!! Must be a bitter scUM fan? What is it now 1-7 verse their rivals under harbaugh the savior of wolverine football? 😂😂 Are you speaking of American Idol or 1 of the half a hundred singing shows? That's the only VERSE that I know of. The word is V-E-R-S-U-S. Your Bellevue edumuckation is showing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 14:18:34 GMT -5
I think about 75% of coaches will take the cupcake wins over scheduling up especially when it involves less travel. Not saying its right or wrong. I would not agree with that as I think more than 25% of coaches select a challenging schedule within reasonable travel limits. But, I do agree that there are some coaches who will schedule teams only for the win and claim it is for a good local rivalry. Even if the same team has won over 90% of the games.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 14:27:53 GMT -5
According to A.J. Colby in the Dick Goddard weather center, 3-5 inches of snow by morning. I think more games should be moved up earlier. Remember last winter, The long bus ride back to Sandusky from Manfield, In that ice storm, Or did they stay over ? Can't remember the specifics.
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Post by vottruckers on Dec 29, 2017 15:32:19 GMT -5
From what I've heard the South Central game was the replacement for Western Reserve dropping the Truckers from the schedule after Lacey transferred to Norwalk (which just happens to be where he has lived the last 8 or so years at least that I've known him). As for scheduling up, isn't it possible that Seidel wanted to have his team play a better team for the same exact reason that Norwalk would have scheduled Wittmer years ago? To make his Trojans better for a tourney run. My understanding was that as soon as Norwalk had the opening South Central said they'd take the game. So, it was a Wednesday night game between the holidays that was pretty close by and actually gave SC a pretty good gate considering there were Norwalk fans sitting all over the gym in order to find enough space for everyone. And I'd never been to their gym so it was nice to check it out, and not have to drive for hours on what could have been bad roads. So imo it was a win for everyone as SC got a good gate for a Wednesday night game, and got to play better competition. Norwalk fans didn't have to drive too far and the Truckers got two wins on the night and were able to play everyone in both games while working through a game plan and getting better at executing it. Oh, ad the 15 or so people from other schools there scouting the game didn't have to go too far either.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 29, 2017 16:06:21 GMT -5
You want to play a good team so you get better Yep, props to South Central for doing just that
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Post by qcass352 on Dec 29, 2017 18:51:35 GMT -5
Shelby leads Bellevue 15-12 after 1.
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Post by qcass352 on Dec 29, 2017 19:06:24 GMT -5
24-21 Whippets at the half
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Post by qcass352 on Dec 29, 2017 19:28:50 GMT -5
Shelby leads after 3. 40-37
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Post by qcass352 on Dec 29, 2017 19:55:06 GMT -5
Bellevue gets a comeback win 56-55. Whippets had one go in at the buzzer called off.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 29, 2017 20:05:21 GMT -5
Here's the final 27 seconds of the Bellevue @ Shelby game:
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 29, 2017 21:37:29 GMT -5
Sandusky 60 Oberlin 48
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Post by deathfromabove on Dec 29, 2017 21:39:36 GMT -5
I don't think it's Norwalk getting that small it's more about trying to find local games for fans and travel. Our area has more D3 and D4 teams so the D1 and D2 teams have to play smaller schools or take longer bus rides. DUDE, You have that right about not many D-1 or D-2 in the immediate area other than the ones in the conference, but I think that we still have a lot more near by like Fremont Ross, Mansfield Sr. and Madison, Lorain, Elyria, Amherst Steel, Avon and Avon Lake, and more schools up in that area that to me are not that far away. I know we picked up South Central as a replacement for one that dropped us but we should have found someone better and more capable of giving us a better run for the money. It's just like in football, we are scheduling down and not up to the level of play we should be doing. I remember playing Lakewood, which was the same or one division above us, at their field and we had more fans than they did. Lakewood was only, I believe, 45 minutes away so we should be scheduling better quality of teams to play. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 30, 2017 2:29:39 GMT -5
I think about 75% of coaches will take the cupcake wins over scheduling up especially when it involves less travel. Not saying its right or wrong. I would not agree with that as I think more than 25% of coaches select a challenging schedule within reasonable travel limits. But, I do agree that there are some coaches who will schedule teams only for the win and claim it is for a good local rivalry. Even if the same team has won over 90% of the games. 5 of Lexington's 8 non-league games this year are against smaller schools.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 14:32:01 GMT -5
I don't think it's Norwalk getting that small it's more about trying to find local games for fans and travel. Our area has more D3 and D4 teams so the D1 and D2 teams have to play smaller schools or take longer bus rides. DUDE, You have that right about not many D-1 or D-2 in the immediate area other than the ones in the conference, but I think that we still have a lot more near by like Fremont Ross, Mansfield Sr. and Madison, Lorain, Elyria, Amherst Steel, Avon and Avon Lake, and more schools up in that area that to me are not that far away. I know we picked up South Central as a replacement for one that dropped us but we should have found someone better and more capable of giving us a better run for the money. It's just like in football, we are scheduling down and not up to the level of play we should be doing. I remember playing Lakewood, which was the same or one division above us, at their field and we had more fans than they did. Lakewood was only, I believe, 45 minutes away so we should be scheduling better quality of teams to play. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I understand sometimes it happens and having smaller division schools that are good can be beneficial as well. Just because a team is D1 does not make them good. Ten years ago Mansfield would not want St Pete on their schedule. The last couple years it has been ok.
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Post by mcm1019 on Dec 30, 2017 15:13:39 GMT -5
Willard at Norwalk games have been cancelled for 12/30/17.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 30, 2017 16:57:06 GMT -5
DUDE, You have that right about not many D-1 or D-2 in the immediate area other than the ones in the conference, but I think that we still have a lot more near by like Fremont Ross, Mansfield Sr. and Madison, Lorain, Elyria, Amherst Steel, Avon and Avon Lake, and more schools up in that area that to me are not that far away. I know we picked up South Central as a replacement for one that dropped us but we should have found someone better and more capable of giving us a better run for the money. It's just like in football, we are scheduling down and not up to the level of play we should be doing. I remember playing Lakewood, which was the same or one division above us, at their field and we had more fans than they did. Lakewood was only, I believe, 45 minutes away so we should be scheduling better quality of teams to play. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I understand sometimes it happens and having smaller division schools that are good can be beneficial as well. Just because a team is D1 does not make them good. Ten years ago Mansfield would not want St Pete on their schedule. The last couple years it has been ok. St.Petes is 5-6 against Mansfield Senior and 6-7 against Mansfield Malabar. That would be 24 games against what is now Mansfield Senior. 12-25 against Madison, 12-16 against Lex, 14- 13 against Shelby, 15-11 against Ontario and 22-6 against Wynford.
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Post by deathfromabove on Dec 30, 2017 18:56:10 GMT -5
DUDE, I also understand what your saying too but we also have to consider that Mansfield St. Pete does not have a football team, and though they do have soccer that really isn't their main sport. Basketball is truly king for them and always has been. My dad came from Putnam Co. were 5 out of 9 schools there do not play football. Basketball is the main sport and always will be. They are used to playing D-2 and D-3 schools and beating them. Buckeye Border Conference just north of Putnam Co. League is another one that it's main sport is basketball (although I just saw that Stryker High School added football and will start playing varsity level next year). Anyway, my point is, except for St. Pete , most of the D-3 and D-4 schools in our area being small in numbers most of their students play more than one sport where D-1 and D-2 schools maybe half of their players play just one sport so to me they should be playing more D-1 and D-2 to get them ready for conference and tournaments. I hope that helps so you can understand me more on where I come from and my way of thinking. And there I go again writing another book again, Sorry about that. Happy New Year buddy.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 30, 2017 21:10:15 GMT -5
Bellevue 63 Margaretta 39 final
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Post by utsherman on Dec 30, 2017 21:23:21 GMT -5
Shelby 70, River Valley 55, Final.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Dec 30, 2017 21:44:26 GMT -5
Clyde 17-5-16-6 - 44 Fremont Ross 17-4-7-20 - 48
Clyde (3-4): 16-42 FG, 6-11 FT, 6-22 3pt (Farrar 4, Hohman, Harrah), 29 rebounds (Hohman 10), 11 turnovers. Scoring: Conner Long 1 0-1 2, Cam Farrar 6 0-0 16, Trevor Burtch 2 0-3 4, Seth Hohman 3 2-2 9, Derick Harrah 3 4-5 11, Carson Rieman 1 0-0 2, Jaylan Johnson 0 0-0 0, James Dry 0 0-0 0, Noah Prunty 0 0-0 0, Brock Newsome 0 0-0 0.
Fremont Ross (2-5): 17-42 FG, 10-15 FT, 4-13 3pt (Campbell 3, Johnson), 31 rebounds (Root 6), 12 turnovers. Scoring: Maliek Johnson 4 1-3 10, Keyon Sewell 0 0-0 0, Jabryis Heidelburg 2 2-2 6, Bryce Root 5 6-6 16, Bryce McKinstry 1 0-2 2, Tre Campbell 4 0-0 11, Davion Anderson 0 0-0 0, Jovan Lewis 0 0-0 0, Hayden Lehmann 1 1-2 3.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 22:49:19 GMT -5
DUDE, I also understand what your saying too but we also have to consider that Mansfield St. Pete does not have a football team, and though they do have soccer that really isn't their main sport. Basketball is truly king for them and always has been. My dad came from Putnam Co. were 5 out of 9 schools there do not play football. Basketball is the main sport and always will be. They are used to playing D-2 and D-3 schools and beating them. Buckeye Border Conference just north of Putnam Co. League is another one that it's main sport is basketball (although I just saw that Stryker High School added football and will start playing varsity level next year). Anyway, my point is, except for St. Pete , most of the D-3 and D-4 schools in our area being small in numbers most of their students play more than one sport where D-1 and D-2 schools maybe half of their players play just one sport so to me they should be playing more D-1 and D-2 to get them ready for conference and tournaments. I hope that helps so you can understand me more on where I come from and my way of thinking. And there I go again writing another book again, Sorry about that. Happy New Year buddy. I would not be surprised if the percentage of 1 sport athletes was comparable with all sizes of schools. Most of the D1 and D2 schools i have watched do not have half their players only playing basketball. My point with St Pete was that 6-10 years ago they were not the team of today and some of the larger area schools were not on their schedule.
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Post by deathfromabove on Dec 31, 2017 12:01:23 GMT -5
DUDE, I also understand what your saying too but we also have to consider that Mansfield St. Pete does not have a football team, and though they do have soccer that really isn't their main sport. Basketball is truly king for them and always has been. My dad came from Putnam Co. were 5 out of 9 schools there do not play football. Basketball is the main sport and always will be. They are used to playing D-2 and D-3 schools and beating them. Buckeye Border Conference just north of Putnam Co. League is another one that it's main sport is basketball (although I just saw that Stryker High School added football and will start playing varsity level next year). Anyway, my point is, except for St. Pete , most of the D-3 and D-4 schools in our area being small in numbers most of their students play more than one sport where D-1 and D-2 schools maybe half of their players play just one sport so to me they should be playing more D-1 and D-2 to get them ready for conference and tournaments. I hope that helps so you can understand me more on where I come from and my way of thinking. And there I go again writing another book again, Sorry about that. Happy New Year buddy. I would not be surprised if the percentage of 1 sport athletes was comparable with all sizes of schools. Most of the D1 and D2 schools i have watched do not have half their players only playing basketball. My point with St Pete was that 6-10 years ago they were not the team of today and some of the larger area schools were not on their schedule. Ok now I think we are on the same page here. Thanks for explaining it to me more. Sometimes my problem is that I start thinking of the past in my days and boy do I remember St. Pete walking over just about everybody including some of the very big schools. So much for living in the past but an old saying came to me, what goes around, comes around and it looks like St. Pete is getting back to it's old self. Thanks again buddy.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 31, 2017 15:07:47 GMT -5
Standings heading into the new year:
6-3, 4-0 Perkins 5-2, 2-1 Bellevue 3-5, 2-1 Norwalk 5-4, 2-2 Sandusky 5-2, 1-2 Shelby 3-4, 1-3 Clyde 2-5, 0-3 Columbian
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 2, 2018 0:21:03 GMT -5
These teams don't interest scootieDude, thus no insults.
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