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Post by DrTorch on Dec 17, 2017 15:32:31 GMT -5
You mean the seance where we conjure up the ghost of posts past where like literally half a page ago someone posted Urban's record at OSU with and without Barrett?
Eanie meanie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak...
Haskins QBR is hilarious to the kool aid drinkers.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 17, 2017 15:37:30 GMT -5
NOPE. Google "Total Quarterback Rating - College football". You will find JT Barrett ranked 7th and Duane Haskins no where to be found, since he only played 1/24th of a season. OR Google "Passing Efficiency | FBS football statistics". There you will find JT Barrett ranked #8 and Duane Haskins NO WHERE to be found. Anyone who would give a rating to a QB that only played 1/24th of a season is a complete sham. FAKE STATS Click on the pic for a bigger view. Since a few games were played yesterday Haskins has moved up to 6th and JT to 18th. Did you do your homework assignment as told? IF you had you would have seen that "Total Quarterback Rating" - College football" IS put out by ESPN. The 2nd is put out by the NCAA. It is a farce to give a "total rating" for a QB that only played in 1/24th of a season vs entire or vast majority of a season by 100+ other QBs. That is why the TWO I have shown, one put out by godlike SECPN. DOES NOT give a rating for Haskins OR any other QB that has played less than one full game. It is inconclusive. Only gypsy card readers, oigee board enthusiasts, soothsayers that claim to see into the future would give a tizigane. Here's a THIRD ONE to Google: College Football Player Stats & Stats Leaders QB Rating". This one has JT Barrett 10th in the country and Duane Haskins NO WHERE to be found. That's THREE documented by me vs your ONE dubious listing.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 17, 2017 15:56:27 GMT -5
You mean the seance where we conjure up the ghost of posts past where like literally half a page ago someone posted Urban's record at OSU with and without Barrett? Eanie meanie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak... Haskins QBR is hilarious to the kool aid drinkers. Surely you aren't one of the neophytes with a time machine that can go "back into the future" and see Cardale starting and winning every game in 4 years and 4 National Championships?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 17, 2017 16:08:05 GMT -5
NOPE. Google "Total Quarterback Rating - College football". You will find JT Barrett ranked 7th and Duane Haskins no where to be found, since he only played 1/24th of a season. OR Google "Passing Efficiency | FBS football statistics". There you will find JT Barrett ranked #8 and Duane Haskins NO WHERE to be found. Anyone who would give a rating to a QB that only played 1/24th of a season is a complete sham. FAKE STATS Click on the pic for a bigger view. Since a few games were played yesterday Haskins has moved up to 6th and JT to 18th. You are a charlatan FAKE STAT neophyte nobody. YOUR list is for "UNQUALIFIED QUARTERBACKS", which included those like Haskins that have played 1/24th of a season. When one gets to ESPN's ratings it comes up with a list of ONLY "qualified" QBs. Those that want FAKE STATS in an effort to be untruthful must click on "unqualified" which expands the list to include backups that have played very little. Those not worthy of being considered "qualified".
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 17, 2017 16:13:16 GMT -5
Many cannot agree with calling ESPN a sham or fake stats. STOP THE RUSE....The "sham" is you as well as the other FAKE STAT people that are using ESPN's secondary ratings list that includes "unqualified" QBs like Haskins. In ESPN's PRIMARY listing JT is #7 and Haskins is NO WHERE to be found.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 17, 2017 16:19:30 GMT -5
Cardale Jones was a "bench warmer" until he came in and finished off Michigan, beat Wisconsin, beat Alabama, and beat Oregon to bring home a National Championship trophy. He was just a 'rarely used bench warmer with few snaps'. AND what happened to Cardale when he was given the whole play book(minus read option plays) the following year? He completed 62% of his passes with only 8 TDs and 5 INTS. Against the weak part of the Ohio State schedule, before losing the starting job.
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Post by Debbie Downer on Dec 17, 2017 16:21:17 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett It's such a shame that Urban Meyer ruined the 2017 season by selecting JT Barrett as the QB over Dwayne Haskins. Urban's getting old so this was his last chance at a National Championship and he blew it because he went with Barrett. I feel sad for you Buckeye fans. 93 > 82 even I can see that Haskins was better.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 17, 2017 16:39:52 GMT -5
Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, you're using those FAKE STATS too?? Just another Gypsy with a time machine. Since you can see into the future, tell us how Urban will "ruin" the 2018 season with Haskins as his QB??
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 17, 2017 18:58:16 GMT -5
You mean the seance where we conjure up the ghost of posts past where like literally half a page ago someone posted Urban's record at OSU with and without Barrett? Eanie meanie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak... Haskins QBR is hilarious to the kool aid drinkers. Surely you aren't one of the neophytes with a time machine that can go "back into the future" and see Cardale starting and winning every game in 2015 and 2 National Championships? There, fixed that for ya. And yes, I can see that.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 17, 2017 18:59:07 GMT -5
Cardale Jones was a "bench warmer" until he came in and finished off Michigan, beat Wisconsin, beat Alabama, and beat Oregon to bring home a National Championship trophy. He was just a 'rarely used bench warmer with few snaps'. AND what happened to Cardale when he was given the whole play book(minus read option plays) the following year? He completed 62% of his passes with only 8 TDs and 5 INTS. Against the weak part of the Ohio State schedule, before losing the starting job. HE WON EVERY GAME HE STARTED IS WHAT HAPPENED haha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 8:14:42 GMT -5
Keep correcting Torch. Some need it.
I would hate the ideas of us not counting Haskins stats, Mike Weber's stats, Ben Victor's stats or Johnnie Dixon's stats. All guys that did not start every game and spent time on the bench. Knowing everyone's stats and where they fit in when they play is valuable to every program.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 18, 2017 13:19:00 GMT -5
OSU definitely missed out on a 2015 National Championship because of ball hog Barrett. 35-2 Ohio State under Urban when Barrett doesn't start 37-6 Ohio State under Urban when Barrett starts (Haskins saved Barrett from 36-7 in the UM game)
We already watched Haskins save Barrett from a loss and Cardale Jones take OSU to new heights after Barrett got injured in 2014. Those 6 losses under Barrett should only be 2.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 18, 2017 18:53:22 GMT -5
Keep correcting Torch. Some need it. I would hate the ideas of us not counting Haskins stats, Mike Weber's stats, Ben Victor's stats or Johnnie Dixon's stats. All guys that did not start every game and spent time on the bench. Knowing everyone's stats and where they fit in when they play is valuable to every program. This is quite true, but limited PT is a non-qualifier. Look at all the eye popping batting averages in the early stages of every MLB season. Comparative stats and measurable results should entail an overall body of work, not microcosms.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:13:26 GMT -5
A non-qualifier for what? All i'm saying is all stats deserve to be looked at and considered as a measure of ability. It's okay if a player gets 103 at bats and has 30 hits 28 singles but if a player has 28 at bats and hits 9 home runs do you not find a way to get him more at bats?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 18, 2017 23:52:20 GMT -5
AND what happened to Cardale when he was given the whole play book(minus read option plays) the following year? He completed 62% of his passes with only 8 TDs and 5 INTS. Against the weak part of the Ohio State schedule, before losing the starting job. HE WON EVERY GAME HE STARTED IS WHAT HAPPENED haha So it needs repeating. Against the weakest part of the schedule. all games Ohio State should win by at lest 5 TDs. He only completed 8 TD passes and had 5 INTs. Those of your ilk hates on JT when he wins games. Why no hate for Cardale during that stretch, when he won games and looked bad? So bad that Urban had to admit he made a mistake.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 19, 2017 0:04:10 GMT -5
A non-qualifier for what? All i'm saying is all stats deserve to be looked at and considered as a measure of ability. It's okay if a player gets 103 at bats and has 30 hits 28 singles but if a player has 28 at bats and hits 9 home runs do you not find a way to get him more at bats? A non-qualifier PER ESPN. Haskins and other backups with minimal playing time were not in ESPN's "qualifying QB ratings", their PRIMARY ratings. To look at the stats for QBs only playing 1/24 of a season, one had to click on ESPN's "non-qualifying QB" ratings. ESPN's SECONDARY QB ratings. The FAKE STATS Dumbo Vogel gives and others are fooled into repeating. In baseball if a player only plays in 1/24th of the season, 7 or 8 games. He's a bench warmer, a defensive replacement, an American League pinch hitter ONLY, a nobody. His stats are meaningless. Just as meaningless as playing in 1/24th of a football season. Your analogy is dumber than anything Dumbo Vogel comes up with.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 19, 2017 0:12:49 GMT -5
OSU definitely missed out on a 2015 National Championship because of ball hog Barrett. 35-2 Ohio State under Urban when Barrett doesn't start 37-6 Ohio State under Urban when Barrett starts (Haskins saved Barrett from 36-7 in the UM game) We already watched Haskins save Barrett from a loss and Cardale Jones take OSU to new heights after Barrett got injured in 2014. Those 6 losses under Barrett should only be 2. Dumbo Vogel is the dumbest of all the gypsy card readers and oigee board players on here. The score of the Ohio State/U of M game was 21-14 in favor of Michigan when JT was Injured. ignoramus Vogel says Ohio State would have lost 36-7 if JT had not been injured. How does U of M take one of Ohio States TD's off the board when Haskins enters the game???
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 19, 2017 0:20:04 GMT -5
NOPE. Google "Total Quarterback Rating - College football". You will find JT Barrett ranked 7th and Duane Haskins no where to be found, since he only played 1/24th of a season. OR Google "Passing Efficiency | FBS football statistics". There you will find JT Barrett ranked #8 and Duane Haskins NO WHERE to be found. Anyone who would give a rating to a QB that only played 1/24th of a season is a complete sham. FAKE STATS Click on the pic for a bigger view. Since a few games were played yesterday Haskins has moved up to 6th and JT to 18th. FAKE STATS. You're selling ESPN's "non-qualifier QB ratings". Their secondary ratings, with nobody backup QBs included. Those only playing 1/24 of a season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 9:30:03 GMT -5
Ooops, 4 small boxes. Someone is stupid, unknowledgable, fake, a neophyte or some other insulting description I'm sure.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 19, 2017 11:47:11 GMT -5
HE WON EVERY GAME HE STARTED IS WHAT HAPPENED haha So it needs repeating. Against the weakest part of the schedule. all games Ohio State should win by at lest 5 TDs. He only completed 8 TD passes and had 5 INTs. Those of your ilk hates on JT when he wins games. Why no hate for Cardale during that stretch, when he won games and looked bad? So bad that Urban had to admit he made a mistake.Because he was undefeated, had already beaten Bama and Oregon, and had never been press-covered into a bad loss at home vs a mediocre team like VaTech. Those would be the main reasons. Why you hate on him so much when he was undefeated and QBd us to wins vs Bama and Oregon?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 19, 2017 18:41:01 GMT -5
NO, because he didn't play well against bad teams. AGAIN, 58% pass completions, only 8 TD passes with 5 INTS, very little rushing yards, no rushing TDs, no read option plays. The kind of numbers that Vogel and you would be hating on JT for having, yet crickets. Facts are stubborn things.
LIKE ALL OHIO STATE STARTERS, when Cardale was the starter I rooted for him.
When he was removed as the starter. I rooted for the next starter.
Whoever wins the starting QB job next year, I'll be in his corner and NEVER make a derogatory comment about him. Unlike the haters will.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 19, 2017 18:45:35 GMT -5
Ooops, 4 small boxes. Someone is stupid, unknowledgable, fake, a neophyte or some other insulting description I'm sure. Uh Oh, another post made from ignorance. If you weren't a chicken shat, you would see what the posts said and the sound reasons for them. I wait for those of your ilk to bloviate all they want for 24 hours then make my posts later.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 19, 2017 19:35:47 GMT -5
NO, because he didn't play well against bad teams. AGAIN, 62% pass completions, only 8 TD passes with 5 INTS, very little rushing yards, no rushing TDs, no read option plays. The kind of numbers that Vogel and you would be hating on JT for having, yet crickets. Facts are stubborn things. LIKE ALL OHIO STATE STARTERS, when Cardale was the starter I rooted for him. When he was removed as the starter. I rooted for the next starter. Whoever wins the starting QB job next year, I'll be in his corner and NEVER make a derogatory comment about him. Unlike the haters will. We don't bag JT when he wins. We bag him when he loses to teams we should beat because of his poor play. VTech at home. Oklahoma at home. Little Brother at home (with a backup qb). Iowa, on the road. Clemson. Cardale never cost us a win with his play. Never. So a terrible comparison. Apples to oranges.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 19, 2017 22:18:56 GMT -5
You and those of your ilk "don't bag JT when he wins"?? UNTRUTHFUL!!!
You're embarrassing yourself by hating on JT for the VaTech loss. The 2nd game as a freshman starter. VaTech used a Bear Front which the young O-line and very inexperienced QB had not seen or planned for.
When Cardale came back in 2015 after his victory tour, he didn't play against a team the caliber of Oklahoma, little brother or Clemson. They were all unranked and mid-major teams. And AGAIN, he only completed 58% of his passes, only 8 TD passes with 5 INTs, very little rushing yards, no rushing TDs, no read option plays in those wins. FAR worse than JT did in wins against the same. WHY NO HATE FOR CARDALE for poor play in wins against poor teams?
Don't make me re-post all the hate JT got in games he won. Proof of your prevarication above. You know darn well they're there. Move on and I'll give you a break.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 8:41:41 GMT -5
I like JT, I just think there is a better QB on the team. Because I like Dobbins doesn't mean I hate Weber. I like Greg Schiano but that doesn't mean I hate Luke Fickel. It's all part of someone's attempt to create an insulting argument instead of a sports conversation.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 20, 2017 11:36:25 GMT -5
Everybody has their personal preferences and opinions. The only one's that truly matter are those of the Ohio State coaching staff. They see their players daily on the practice field and in the film room. They know their players better than anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 12:10:00 GMT -5
Everybody has their personal preferences and opinions. The only one's that truly matter are those of the Ohio State coaching staff. They see their players daily on the practice field and in the film room. They know their players better than anyone. That would be true if OSU did not have a 100,000 plus stadium for their games and this site was not open for members, but since we have both of them, our preferences and opinions do matter. Let's not forget that JT was recruited by Tom Herman who is no longer with OSU and the level of JT's playmaking ability has diminished some from injuries. You have to admit that the top 4 QBs(3 active and a redshirt) the oldest is a running that can throw a little and the younger 3 are throwers that can run some.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 20, 2017 13:30:17 GMT -5
Cardale only had 2 starts under his belt. JT gets 5 years to develop but 12 Gauge can't get 5 games. You talk out both sides of your terrible arguments Fillmore.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 20, 2017 15:00:16 GMT -5
I like JT, I just think there is a better QB on the team. Because I like Dobbins doesn't mean I hate Weber. I like Greg Schiano but that doesn't mean I hate Luke Fickel. It's all part of someone's attempt to create an insulting argument instead of a sports conversation. I am different than those of your ilk. AGAIN ....I support, back, root for, never speak negative about ALL STARTERS AND COACHES. When a new player becomes a starter, a new coach is hired I support them in the same way I supported the previous starter and coach. Once a player or coach is no longer at Ohio State and I have negative FACTS concerning that player or coach, then and only then would I mention those FACTS. I learned this quickly when working in middle management for major corporations. If you publicly attack, put down or speak negatively about someone you work for OR someone who works for you. You're a dead man walking. The same holds true in your family. With that said, if someone FIRST attacks, put downs or speaks negatively toward me, they will hear the same.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 20, 2017 15:57:24 GMT -5
Cardale only had 2 starts under his belt. JT gets 5 years to develop but 12 Gauge can't get 5 games. You talk out both sides of your terrible arguments Fillmore. Untruthful again, Cardale had 3 starts under his belt, not 2. Those of your ilk tell us all the time he's one of the greatest QB's in Ohio History. Now you're whining about his lack of experience?? The UNTRUTHFUL are always talking out of both sides of their mouth. FACTS are stubborn things. This FACT. It was said by players AND coaches that Cardale didn't do his due diligence at being a QB until JT broke his ankle. He had 4 previous years to work at his craft and goofed most of the time. He "googed" when he was given the starters job in 2015. Against the weak sisters on the 2015 schedule he only completed 58% of his passes, only had 8 TD passes with 5 INTs. Even so, during that time, I supported Cardale. He was the starter. When JT had Cardale's numbers in wins, he was getting "bagged" on here. Why no "bagging" on Cardale when he won games against poor teams with poor numbers?
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