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Post by wyandot on Jan 28, 2018 9:12:59 GMT -5
Buckeyekid, lets think this one through, you and I. If a field house is paid for by a portion of the schools left over $$$, donations from people like yourself and a portion from the boosters we could have it build in say, a couple years. The PAC could be a Four year plan for the school, this gives beebe time to raise her portion of the money, privately i believe she stated. So, the FH is built and the school can run massive tournaments, not just AAU BB tournaments, they can run volleyball, wrestling and even indoor track. The school gets the gate while the boosters gets the concession money. All teams are given one weekend to work. say you have 15 of these a year and the gate is $10k and concession is $5k, this gives the school $150,000 and the boosters $75,000. The money boosters makes goes back to the teams anyhow so the school uses their $150,000 to start building that bank for the PAC. Imagine the economic boom this could cause in this city with 1000 extra people here 1-2 weekends a month? . buckeyekid...I agree with moneyball.....I think for every coach or every player that would be involved with this would gain not only a field house and a PAC but a work ethetic. in my opinion this generation is an entitled generation...how awesome would it be to involve them...it would not be an option but a requirement...it always seems to be the same parents and or kids that are involved in helping out at the school functions...I don't see moneyballs idea as anything other than common sense...I hope moneyball would approach Willard schools with this idea and they would listen. why do we need to always ask the public to increase taxes...how about we invest in the kids and families that this would benefit?
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 9:14:16 GMT -5
That is a very Noble idea. I think you may be getting ahead of yourself a little bit though. Is there even a drawing of the field house? I have no idea what will even be in it once completed. For hypothetical purposes, if it does have all that, man that would be an incredible amount of time invested for a number of folks from the school to manage it. Your illustration shows 15 weekends, I don't think thats' gonna fly. There's also a pretty significant amount of people who feel an indoor pool should be on the wish list for the swim team. I guess once I looked at all the money pouring into sports related building projects that have already been done, I think it's a bit selfish to not consider the other part of the student body. I'm still all in on the personal side of investing in the future of the school and the kids, but I'm not going to decide for the School what gets done first and who pays for it. I was close to the project, even had input and was there when the two members of the boosters presented it to the School Board. They did their homework and had the plans and that is when cok stated they have to move on this. It is not selfish it is looking for ways to breath life back in this city. The PAC can be phase II and the pool phase III. This is about economic strategy and before you know it we have all three. The plans to pay for the FH were already established but now it is taking a back seat to the PAC and for the life of me I don’t understand the economics there. That would be like me telling you i’m going to give you free water from my reservoir to water your fields and you tell me you’d rather truck it in, that doesn’t make sense and it is bad for business.
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Post by erictrump on Jan 28, 2018 13:14:48 GMT -5
buckeyekid ...I agree with moneyball.....I think for every coach or every player that would be involved with this would gain not only a field house and a PAC but a work ethetic. in my opinion this generation is an entitled generation...how awesome would it be to involve them...it would not be an option but a requirement...it always seems to be the same parents and or kids that are involved in helping out at the school functions...I don't see moneyballs idea as anything other than common sense...I hope moneyball would approach Willard schools with this idea and they would listen. why do we need to always ask the public to increase taxes...how about we invest in the kids and families that this would benefit? I hope you'd agree with moneyball, it wouldn't be healthy for the relationship if you didn't. LOL!
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 13:28:16 GMT -5
buckeyekid ...I agree with moneyball.....I think for every coach or every player that would be involved with this would gain not only a field house and a PAC but a work ethetic. in my opinion this generation is an entitled generation...how awesome would it be to involve them...it would not be an option but a requirement...it always seems to be the same parents and or kids that are involved in helping out at the school functions...I don't see moneyballs idea as anything other than common sense...I hope moneyball would approach Willard schools with this idea and they would listen. why do we need to always ask the public to increase taxes...how about we invest in the kids and families that this would benefit? I hope you'd agree with moneyball, it wouldn't be healthy for the relationship if you didn't. LOL! Probably not as good as ours 😉.
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Post by erictrump on Jan 28, 2018 13:37:15 GMT -5
Did you mean to say "yours"? Because yes, I have a great relationship with my wife Lara. The only couple in America with a better relationship is the POTUS!
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 13:48:38 GMT -5
Did you mean to say "yours"? Because yes, I have a great relationship with my wife Lara. The only couple in America with a better relationship is the POTUS! No, I got it right, you and I. I like Lara too, she is sweet.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 28, 2018 20:59:50 GMT -5
I don't know why you guys down there do what we did here in Norwalk for our Performing Arts Center or as we call it The Ernsthausen Performing Arts Center. First off Mr. Ernsthausen owned the Norwalk Truck Lines and they gave to the city and schools what they needed and when he and his wife passed away they set up a trust fund to be use for the betterment of the town or schools. When Norwalk Schools build their new high school it was suggested to use the trust fund to add on a PAC and that is how we got ours so my question is why isn't it that the major factories contribute say maybe $15,000 to $50,000 or more or maybe have one or more of those very rich owners of those produce companies in Celeryville donate to the same school that gave their kids the same education that others have received. That's my 2 cents and I will stick with it cause my money is more to me and if Norwalk did this by putting a emergency tax on after having to pay for your new school building.
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Post by wyandot on Jan 29, 2018 7:31:18 GMT -5
I don't know why you guys down there do what we did here in Norwalk for our Performing Arts Center or as we call it The Ernsthausen Performing Arts Center. First off Mr. Ernsthausen owned the Norwalk Truck Lines and they gave to the city and schools what they needed and when he and his wife passed away they set up a trust fund to be use for the betterment of the town or schools. When Norwalk Schools build their new high school it was suggested to use the trust fund to add on a PAC and that is how we got ours so my question is why isn't it that the major factories contribute say maybe $15,000 to $50,000 or more or maybe have one or more of those very rich owners of those produce companies in Celeryville donate to the same school that gave their kids the same education that others have received. That's my 2 cents and I will stick with it cause my money is more to me and if Norwalk did this by putting a emergency tax on after having to pay for your new school building. because the people that are pushing for increased taxes are outside the city limits and it wont affect them, including "rich owners" of produce companies....this is why Willard schools are in the shape they are in.people are tired of a select group running the show...they say they want community involvement...but do they really? they ask for opinion and do what they want anyway...look at moneyballs suggestion. if the school could go this route and could make money from volleyball and basketball tournaments and it could fund the PAC then its foolish to expect tax payer dollars to fund it. The school had a significant amount of money left over after they built it. That money was suppose to be used for a field house. Where did that money go? Why are they not using it for a PAC if they aren't building a field house. The sad thing is our voters are the retirement and farmers...the people that this will affect are most likely not going to go out and vote it down.
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Post by decodable on Jan 29, 2018 14:00:06 GMT -5
Food for thought regarding the PAC......this was the plan of the Super and BOE all along. I have no dog in this fight, but the PAC if I remember correctly was talked about when Willard was building the school. I believe that a PAC is needed for the arts of a school, but this money could have been lumped in with the previous levy that passed for the school. It would have increased the amount coming from the community, but still could have been done. Instead Willard's leaders had planned on putting this cost back on the taxpayers, this is why it was not included in the previous levy. Also they could use their refund from the company that built the school in other areas. All you need to do is look at Galion gymnasium, they wanted more seats than the state would pay for. The community had to fund these additional seats, but the cost was built into the initial levy.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 29, 2018 14:30:57 GMT -5
Food for thought regarding the PAC......this was the plan of the Super and BOE all along. I have no dog in this fight, but the PAC if I remember correctly was talked about when Willard was building the school. I believe that a PAC is needed for the arts of a school, but this money could have been lumped in with the previous levy that passed for the school. It would have increased the amount coming from the community, but still could have been done. Instead Willard's leaders had planned on putting this cost back on the taxpayers, this is why it was not included in the previous levy. Also they could use their refund from the company that built the school in other areas. All you need to do is look at Galion gymnasium, they wanted more seats than the state would pay for. The community had to fund these additional seats, but the cost was built into the initial levy. [ That was brilliant on their part. They sold the cafetorium as a state of the art PAC and this never got legs until people started complaining about it 3-4 months ago, too cramped and sound system was not very good. It is easy to pass a levy when 1/2 the people voting are not impacted by the increase, thus the reason it was mentioned in the paper. I think a PAC is a good idea, just phase II, not phase I.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 29, 2018 14:52:18 GMT -5
If a District doesn't take State Tobacco Money to build, they can put anything in the building/s they want to.
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Post by fd41 on Jan 29, 2018 15:14:20 GMT -5
I don't know why you guys down there do what we did here in Norwalk for our Performing Arts Center or as we call it The Ernsthausen Performing Arts Center. First off Mr. Ernsthausen owned the Norwalk Truck Lines and they gave to the city and schools what they needed and when he and his wife passed away they set up a trust fund to be use for the betterment of the town or schools. When Norwalk Schools build their new high school it was suggested to use the trust fund to add on a PAC and that is how we got ours so my question is why isn't it that the major factories contribute say maybe $15,000 to $50,000 or more or maybe have one or more of those very rich owners of those produce companies in Celeryville donate to the same school that gave their kids the same education that others have received. That's my 2 cents and I will stick with it cause my money is more to me and if Norwalk did this by putting a emergency tax on after having to pay for your new school building. because the people that are pushing for increased taxes are outside the city limits and it wont affect them, including "rich owners" of produce companies....this is why Willard schools are in the shape they are in.people are tired of a select group running the show...they say they want community involvement...but do they really? they ask for opinion and do what they want anyway...look at moneyballs suggestion. if the school could go this route and could make money from volleyball and basketball tournaments and it could fund the PAC then its foolish to expect tax payer dollars to fund it. The school had a significant amount of money left over after they built it. That money was suppose to be used for a field house. Where did that money go? Why are they not using it for a PAC if they aren't building a field house. The sad thing is our voters are the retirement and farmers...the people that this will affect are most likely not going to go out and vote it down. [br
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Post by fd41 on Jan 29, 2018 15:17:01 GMT -5
Everyone who lives in the school district and has a job will pay the income tax. School levies apply to school districts not just the city limits.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 29, 2018 15:35:48 GMT -5
Everyone who lives in the school district and has a job will pay the income tax. School levies apply to school districts not just the city limits. So educate us. Why would the “farmers” like this levy and the “retirees”? That comment in the paper struck me as odd because the article in the paper was basically stating we need these people to vote this in. I think there are other ways to fund this because you are talking $1.9 million every year with this levy, not just one year. What does the additional $1.9 million every year going towards?
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Post by fd41 on Jan 29, 2018 16:03:31 GMT -5
It doesn’t affect retires because you don’t pay income tax on social security or pension benefits. The farmers like income tax over property tax since they own so much property. The paper might have made it sound like farmers won’t have to pay but that is wrong. They still also pay income tax. As far as where the rest of the money goes I don’t know. I just don’t like it when people post wrong information as Wyandot did.
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Post by bballfrenzy on Jan 29, 2018 17:17:21 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. Wyandot runs for Willard school board but yet doesn’t even know how a school levy works? This is awesome. You can’t make this stuff up.
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 29, 2018 17:49:34 GMT -5
Income tax lets business off the hook.
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Post by clb6110 on Jan 29, 2018 17:56:57 GMT -5
bballfrenzy,yeah thank goodness the voters got that right or we could have had Wyandot and moneyball.
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Post by erictrump on Jan 29, 2018 21:41:40 GMT -5
Don't worry guys, under my dad's new tax plan you'll be making so much more money that you won't even notice any new taxes or levies.
Trump/Pence 2020!
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Post by moneyball on Jan 29, 2018 22:36:42 GMT -5
bballfrenzy,yeah thank goodness the voters got that right or we could have had Wyandot and moneyball. Time out time out i call foul. I was shafted and demand a recount. The deck was stacked against me and rod told me i was a shoe in. i don’t know what happened.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 29, 2018 22:38:16 GMT -5
So educate us. Why would the “farmers” like this levy and the “retirees”? That comment in the paper struck me as odd because the article in the paper was basically stating we need these people to vote this in. I think there are other ways to fund this because you are talking $1.9 million every year with this levy, not just one year. What does the additional $1.9 million every year going towards? The extra $1.9 million goes to a fund to buy you and Donna a one way ticket to Timbucktoo for the rest of your lives. Have a nice trip Dave. [br I will send you my banking info or just make the check out to cash, I like cash, untraceable.
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Post by fd41 on Jan 30, 2018 5:43:02 GMT -5
Income tax= tax on what you earn Sales tax= tax on what you purchase Property tax= tax on real estate you own I really can’t believe how many people comment on things they have no clue on and don’t understand the most simple government functions.
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Post by wyandot on Jan 30, 2018 6:19:14 GMT -5
bballfrenzy,yeah thank goodness the voters got that right or we could have had Wyandot and moneyball. grasping at straws...ah....I must say that this type of a comment can only come from a person who is threatened by the truth and needs to tie me to someone with an axe to grind. I am just simply stating facts...everything I have posted is factual about the coaches teachers and 2 school board members cheating on their wives...this is not want I wanted to represent me but people are uninformed so you are either the cheater or the coach/teacher...shall I name you
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Post by wyandot on Jan 30, 2018 6:28:27 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. Wyandot runs for Willard school board but yet doesn’t even know how a school levy works? This is awesome. You can’t make this stuff up. uneducated at best..I didn't go to school in Willard so you are mis informed but I would expect nothing less from a willatdite!
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Post by wyandot on Jan 30, 2018 6:30:48 GMT -5
Income tax= tax on what you earn Sales tax= tax on what you purchase Property tax= tax on real estate you own I really can’t believe how many people comment on things they have no clue on and don’t understand the most simple government functions. thank you for clarifying that fd41...my point was the farmers have enough write offs that they can govern their income verses the average joe who can not.
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Post by wyandot on Jan 30, 2018 6:43:12 GMT -5
Food for thought regarding the PAC......this was the plan of the Super and BOE all along. I have no dog in this fight, but the PAC if I remember correctly was talked about when Willard was building the school. I believe that a PAC is needed for the arts of a school, but this money could have been lumped in with the previous levy that passed for the school. It would have increased the amount coming from the community, but still could have been done. Instead Willard's leaders had planned on putting this cost back on the taxpayers, this is why it was not included in the previous levy. Also they could use their refund from the company that built the school in other areas. All you need to do is look at Galion gymnasium, they wanted more seats than the state would pay for. The community had to fund these additional seats, but the cost was built into the initial levy. this is what I was wondering. Where did that extra money go. I believe there was a statement in the paper about having enough money left over from when the school was built because they came in under budget so they would be able to build a field house without asking for more taxes from the people. One would have to wonder if funds are being misused? Is this what happened in Mansfield? Maybe our school needs to be audited!
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 30, 2018 7:16:34 GMT -5
Food for thought regarding the PAC......this was the plan of the Super and BOE all along. I have no dog in this fight, but the PAC if I remember correctly was talked about when Willard was building the school. I believe that a PAC is needed for the arts of a school, but this money could have been lumped in with the previous levy that passed for the school. It would have increased the amount coming from the community, but still could have been done. Instead Willard's leaders had planned on putting this cost back on the taxpayers, this is why it was not included in the previous levy. Also they could use their refund from the company that built the school in other areas. All you need to do is look at Galion gymnasium, they wanted more seats than the state would pay for. The community had to fund these additional seats, but the cost was built into the initial levy. this is what I was wondering. Where did that extra money go. I believe there was a statement in the paper about having enough money left over from when the school was built because they came in under budget so they would be able to build a field house without asking for more taxes from the people. One would have to wonder if funds are being misused? Is this what happened in Mansfield? Maybe our school needs to be audited!Every district system gets an annual audit.....lol
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 30, 2018 8:18:30 GMT -5
Wyandot, I'm one of the farmers who you made mention of in a post yesterday. Your offhand comment "rich produce farmers are promoting the tax levy" was mean spirited and simply un true on multiple levels. I never said I was in favor of a tax levy for the PAC project. I said I was in favor of it being done first because I happen to think those students and people involved with that program also deserve a nice addition for their interests as well as the athletes do. You -Assumed- that because I said that, and my other post "it'll work out in the end" that it means I don't want to help pay for it via a Tax Levy. That is simply not true at all. I am more than happy to help pay my fair share on any project that is school based,,,I'm sure the other farms are too. I have a feeling that you have no idea how much $$ has been donated to WHS from these same farms and also Individually like myself,,both in the last few years and for the last 30 that I have been seeing it as an owner. If you question that fact,,ask Heather Slone president of the boosters,,,ask Joe Crawford,,,ask Cindy Schupp ask Chris Schaff. No farmer is looking for a pat on the back, but I guarantee it's not very smart to bite the hand of someone who are staunch supporters of the school.
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Post by wyandot on Jan 30, 2018 8:24:46 GMT -5
Wyandot, I'm one of the farmers who you made mention of in a post yesterday. Your offhand comment "rich produce farmers are promoting the tax levy" was mean spirited and simply un true on multiple levels. I never said I was in favor of a tax levy for the PAC project. I said I was in favor of it being done first because I happen to think those students and people involved with that program also deserve a nice addition for their interests as well as the athletes do. You -Assumed- that because I said that, and my other post "it'll work out in the end" that it means I don't want to help pay for it via a Tax Levy. That is simply not true at all. I am more than happy to help pay my fair share on any project that is school based,,,I'm sure the other farms are too. I have a feeling that you have no idea how much $$ has been donated to WHS from these same farms and also Individually like myself,,both in the last few years and for the last 30 that I have been seeing it as an owner. If you question that fact,,ask Heather Slone president of the boosters,,,ask Joe Crawford,,,ask Cindy Schupp ask Chris Schaff. No farmer is looking for a pat on the back, but I guarantee it's not very smart to bite the hand of someone who are staunch supporters of the school. rich produce farmers was a quote from another post. That was not my comment initially...I do understand the donations and involvement as I have been to the booster meetings.......we are all donators to the school with taxes and time that we volunteer so nothing was intended to be mean spirited. if you refer to the post on January 28th from death from above you will see that he referred to you as rich produce owners.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 30, 2018 8:34:05 GMT -5
Yes it was a quote ,,but apparently you agree with it being as you quoted it. I took it as an offhand comment, and so did a few others. You're venting at the wrong people. We aren't your problem I can 100% tell you that. Did I clarify my stance regarding the PAC tax levy to straighten that out.
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