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Post by moneyball on Apr 12, 2018 7:18:14 GMT -5
They are bidding it out now and I believe the paper stated they wanted to have a portion of it completed by the fall. I also saw where they are moving forward with a renovation of the school board offices. I’m curious about that topic because they just renovated the one they are in when they first moved in years ago. Is the plan to build a new school board office or perhaps use the weight room facility? Is it against the rules for the achool board to be housed under the actual school roof? If not, I would think you could save $500,000 on renovations and utility + insurance premiums that first year if they could be housed inside the new school, i’m sure there is enough room there. $ball, if you have the room at the school, I don't think there is a rule or law that says you can't have it under the same roof. Norwalk, when they started shuffling classes around to different buildings here, the school board moved into the former Benedict Elem. building along with some special classes. Willard could have done the same thing instead of tearing down all those elementary building. That's my point, instead of using funds for a new school board building why not use those funds on something else more worthwhile? I can't believe that the new school doesn't have the space to house 5 more individuals. To me, spending additional money on something like this is not a very economical way of doing business. Spending like this and then going to the public for additional tax money to support a PAC doesn't add up. There are needs and wants and I think a new school board office is a want, not a need.
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Post by deathfromabove on Apr 12, 2018 8:01:53 GMT -5
moneyball, I know that feeling. To me, it seems that everything HAS TO BE NEW. I admit some of these old buildings need a elevator but everyone should stop and take a look at some of the beauty of these old buildings. Back in the days when these were build, the workers took pride in their work and they built them to last. We had an All-School Reunion meeting the other day and I taught it was neat that when people was going from room to room you could hear the floors creaking, high heels going clip-clop on the floor just like it was when I was at League St. Elem. A lot of public elected officials need to sit back and think do we really need this and cost the tax payers big bucks or can we spend just a little here and have it save money for once. This generation of ours really only thinks about building a new house or business and move it out into the country when if they would see the building they are in and just spend a small amount it would last another 100 to 200 years and can still have land to plant something and feed the world. $ball I hope Willard's school's can work something out for the sake of you the tax payers and your kids future. Good luck.
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 12, 2018 13:02:20 GMT -5
Willard has so many other issues they should be focusing on but nope they just want to keep asking tax payers for more money to build projects. Schools are rated a D, the teachers are up in arms, the leadership is lacking, and now they are wanting to build another PAC, because the one they have now isn't good enough. Keep in mind the cafetorium they currently have was touted and sold to the public as being a perfect setup for Willard and its needs and would save the district money by not having to build another PAC. Well that went out the window and now you have retired teachers pushing for a new millions of dollars PAC all in part because it won't effect their money because a new tax levy would only be on working income, which Willard is just swimming in anyhow "insert sarcasm". So please keep throwing money at the schools because that is just going to fix it all "insert sarcasm x 2".
Vote NO on any new levy or school tax. They need to learn to work with the awesome place they already have.
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Post by schwinn on Apr 12, 2018 16:16:13 GMT -5
I would like to know where the money is coming from for the bus garage.Coming from someone in the know, they had it and put it in the new sports complex. Just asking
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Post by moneyball on Apr 13, 2018 6:32:52 GMT -5
I would like to know where the money is coming from for the bus garage.Coming from someone in the know, they had it and put it in the new sports complex. Just asking The school came in under budget and completed on or before schedule so Willard received a portion of that money to use on capital projects. I've heard anywhere from 1.6 to 2.3MM. So, that is where the money to build the bus garage is coming from. They used a portion of that for the football field and track as well. I'm not sure if they also used a portion of it to purchase the property on Main Street and also for the School Board New Office project, I'm sure it is though.
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Post by moneyball on Apr 13, 2018 7:00:35 GMT -5
I was approached by a person handing out flyers yesterday about supporting the Earned Income Tax to help fund the new PAC. I have a few questions and hopefully someone on here will know the answers because the person handing them out did not have the answers. 1) How much will this new PAC cost? 2) How long will this tax be in effect? 3) What's the operating cost of the New PAC? 4) If this tax is generating $1.9MM per year what will happen to those tax dollars after the PAC is paid for? 5) Who made a decision to scrap the Field House idea and replace it with a New PAC when we already have a PAC but we don't have a Field house and a Field house is 1/2 the cost of a New PAC? 6) Are they using any of the left over money they got from being under budget when building the school to go towards the New PAC? 7) Are they planning on building a Field House still because the Board stated they were moving forward because there were people in the community willing to donate a good portion of the cost?
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Post by schwinn on Apr 13, 2018 7:18:12 GMT -5
The Main street property is another thing.They bought it so they could build a sidewalk so the kids didn't have to walk another few feet to the main entrance and go in that way. Another waste of money.
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 13, 2018 7:18:26 GMT -5
Why are we building a field house when the amount of kids playing sports has decreased year after year? I would say let those who want this field house do either donate or fund raise for it to be built. I do not think this PAC levy passes this May and I do not think it will even be close.
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Post by moneyball on Apr 13, 2018 9:00:55 GMT -5
Why are we building a field house when the amount of kids playing sports has decreased year after year? I would say let those who want this field house do either donate or fund raise for it to be built. I do not think this PAC levy passes this May and I do not think it will even be close. TG, the difference is the Field House was being built with all donations and a portion of the money from the school that had to be used for capital projects, NO TAXES. The field house argument would also generate $150-200K a year in profit if done correctly. The boosters committed $200k to the project and private donors another $200k and the school was to pony up $400k.
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 13, 2018 13:08:56 GMT -5
Wow, Willard is just bleeding out money. Who pays for the upkeep? Oh wait, here comes another levy to fund the upkeep of the field house.
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Post by moneyball on Apr 13, 2018 13:49:38 GMT -5
Wow, Willard is just bleeding out money. Who pays for the upkeep? Oh wait, here comes another levy to fund the upkeep of the field house. Business 101: FH is built with no tax dollars and the school can run massive tournaments, not just AAU BB tournaments they can run volleyball, wrestling and even indoor track. The school gets the gate while the boosters gets the concession money. All teams are given one weekend to work and they are supported by the boosters. Say you have 15 of these a year and the gate is $10k and concession is $5k, this gives the school $150,000 and the boosters $75,000. The tournament they have every year here (April Fools AAU Tournament) results in this kind of return for the school and boosters.
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 13, 2018 14:43:09 GMT -5
Willard is too small for this massive field house, sorry this is just a pipe "build it and they will come" dream. You will have to pay people to run these tournaments, utilities etc. I do not see this being a money maker at all. Just like the cafetorium was all willard needed and now another taxing levy.
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Post by dumpp on Apr 13, 2018 21:31:41 GMT -5
Are you Willard people ever happy?
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Post by buckeyekid on Apr 14, 2018 7:19:48 GMT -5
One step and one brick at a time, good things are happening and being built and started. A program called "Leader in Me" just got funded and now it's ready to get started in the lower grades. Nothing to do with sports and all about changing the mindset and the culture and the attitude and the responsibility of everyone and everything school oriented. Bucyrus and also Wynford I believe have it and they raved about it. The elementary administrators are super excited to have the chance to use the program I know that.
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Post by clb6110 on Apr 14, 2018 14:29:20 GMT -5
So I've read on this thread that the field house would cost $800k(seems light but OK I'll bite) and that it could CLEAR in profits $150-200K per year. (I don't know about this one)Why wouldn't any business owner or individual build this thing without the school involved at all. This is 4-5 year return on your investment. Pretty darn good if these numbers are right. Once again I don't see it.I'm not at all against the FH but I'm not buying it's a cash cow.. Another thing I've been involved in AAU bball for 8-10 years back in the day and I don't see one site being able host 15 events a year. Part of the appeal of AAU ball is the ability to travel to different venues.
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Post by moneyball on Apr 14, 2018 21:07:35 GMT -5
Willard is too small for this massive field house, sorry this is just a pipe "build it and they will come" dream. You will have to pay people to run these tournaments, utilities etc. I do not see this being a money maker at all. Just like the cafetorium was all willard needed and now another taxing levy. I don’t believe it was a pipe dream. The money was there and as i stated earlier, players and coaches would volunteer their time and this would allow the boosters to have a very positive financial impact and in return the boosters supports these teams. You keep going back to tax money but once again it was not being promoted as a project that would use taxpayer’s money. And for being too small, look at Cloverleaf and Edison, much smaller than Willard and they have found a way to support it and it is self sustaining.
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Post by moneyball on Apr 14, 2018 21:16:40 GMT -5
One step and one brick at a time, good things are happening and being built and started. A program called "Leader in Me" just got funded and now it's ready to get started in the lower grades. Nothing to do with sports and all about changing the mindset and the culture and the attitude and the responsibility of everyone and everything school oriented. Bucyrus and also Wynford I believe have it and they raved about it. The elementary administrators are super excited to have the chance to use the program I know that. Very aware of it and it was $60,000 that is being funded. I’m having a hard time understanding what they would teach outside what is already taught now? So, we are hiring someone for this position or will we be sending teachers to florida to get trained for this special class. Help me understand this buckeyekid, i’m really trying.
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Post by moneyball on Apr 14, 2018 21:20:14 GMT -5
So I've read on this thread that the field house would cost $800k(seems light but OK I'll bite) and that it could CLEAR in profits $150-200K per year. (I don't know about this one)Why wouldn't any business owner or individual build this thing without the school involved at all. This is 4-5 year return on your investment. Pretty darn good if these numbers are right. Once again I don't see it.I'm not at all against the FH but I'm not buying it's a cash cow.. Another thing I've been involved in AAU bball for 8-10 years back in the day and I don't see one site being able host 15 events a year. Part of the appeal of AAU ball is the ability to travel to different venues. I didn’t say all AAU basketball tournaments, there are other athletic programs that bring in tons of revenue. And you are correct, one heck of a great investment and that is why the school board stated they needed to move on this quickly. Cloverleaf and Edison field houses were around $800k or less.
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Post by clb6110 on Apr 15, 2018 6:37:02 GMT -5
I don't know about Edison but Cloverleaf was built in the 70's I believe. 800K then is slightly different than 800K today.
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Post by buckeyekid on Apr 15, 2018 13:50:58 GMT -5
moneyball,the training is school wide in our school building for the grades K-5 initially I believe. The LIM people and resources come to our school building for the traning. You'd Have to ask Mandy to be sure though. Unless I'm off my mark completely,,,this is exactly what we need here to help us build kids from the bottom up so to speak. I'm going to share a figure that got my attention and made me get behind so strongly,,,,in a 3 year period of implementing the LIM program in the elementary school in Bucyrus the # of discipline cases went from 1400 per year down to 400,,,,and the State report card performance went from failing up to a C level and climbing still.
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Post by moneyball on Apr 15, 2018 15:35:15 GMT -5
moneyball,the training is school wide in our school building for the grades K-5 initially I believe. The LIM people and resources come to our school building for the traning. You'd Have to ask Mandy to be sure though. Unless I'm off my mark completely,,,this is exactly what we need here to help us build kids from the bottom up so to speak. I'm going to share a figure that got my attention and made me get behind so strongly,,,,in a 3 year period of implementing the LIM program in the elementary school in Bucyrus the # of discipline cases went from 1400 per year down to 400,,,,and the State report card performance went from failing up to a C level and climbing still. Everything I’ve read about it sounds positive and of course it is derived from the 7 Habits of highly effective people by Stephen Covey (i’ve had the training and if applied properly, it works). I’m all for better education and we both know our school is in the ditch when it comes to our overall rating right now. This could be a good start for k-5, we need something for 6-12 as well. I’ve saw some very concerning methods of teaching and asked for an explanation and was shocked when i got it. here is an example, kids struggling with quizzes and test and i’ve asked how they can struggle when their class participation and homework is all 100%. the answer was if you do your homework you get 100%, it is not checked and if you pay attention in class you get 100% participating grade. i have too many students to grade homework. that teaching method needs to go. www.cultofpedagogy.com/problems-with-leader-in-me/
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