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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 11:39:21 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 20, 2018 11:39:21 GMT -5
greenman...I agree with kids being challenged and the senior project can stay but should not be mandated....its an ego trip for those enforcing it...lets educate kids for reality...some reality will not be college so why cater to a select group...if a kid is failing it is evident over the course of 9 weeks not just one day...it has been a long standing rule that if you have a failing grade you are ineligible to play. it has been instated over the course of the last few years that the teacher has the right to sign a contract so the student can play...but administration also feels they can override the teachers decision...I agree the teachers are being made to be teenage sitters...so how do we fix it? we fix it by stepping up to these people..step out of our comfort zone. they are counting on people to not challenge them.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 12:26:35 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 12:26:35 GMT -5
greenman ...I agree with kids being challenged and the senior project can stay but should not be mandated....its an ego trip for those enforcing it...lets educate kids for reality...some reality will not be college so why cater to a select group...if a kid is failing it is evident over the course of 9 weeks not just one day...it has been a long standing rule that if you have a failing grade you are ineligible to play. it has been instated over the course of the last few years that the teacher has the right to sign a contract so the student can play...but administration also feels they can override the teachers decision...I agree the teachers are being made to be teenage sitters...so how do we fix it? we fix it by stepping up to these people..step out of our comfort zone. they are counting on people to not challenge them. I think we're in agreement, but I don't see why a Sr. proj. should only be the province of the college-bound. Just because you have chosen a career as an automotive technician doesn't mean you can't dabble in some advanced topic within the Humanities. That's exactly what I'm saying. If all we're doing is teaching the work-after-HS student population only what they need to know to be functioning in society, we're really not affording them the same opportunities - whether they believe they want them or not - as we are the kids who know they're college material. Also, (and again, maybe we're on the same page here) if an administrator can overrule the decision of a teacher regarding these special "contracts," (which shouldn't exist anyway), why bother even giving it to the teacher? No one with a functioning brain believes that the administration will go harder on a student than an actual teacher will. I've yet to meet an admin that wasn't a weak-kneed coward in the face of unreasonable, irate parental units - they're far too afraid of the PR and the (actually minimal) risk of losing their phony-baloney jobs to do what's righteous more often than not. I've never seen a district so deathly afraid of losing more students to open enrollment than Willard seems right now. It's not like they even have strong competition from their immediately-adjacent neighbors: Monroeville, SC, BC, and Plymouth! In rolling back the expectations of conduct, they're destroying what positive culture they had left, and that's what will drive enrollment down - and they're not alone among local SDs. It's like committing suicide to cure the disease.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 12:38:50 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 20, 2018 12:38:50 GMT -5
greenman I agree 100% we are treating the symptoms and not the problem....we have no one in our administration or board who is willing to do whats right...I agree with having access to advanced topics...I was just saying it should not be forced..it should be an elective just as every other class is....maybe if brocs parents knew of the kid who Ritz went to bat for they could cry foul play and demand equal treatment.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 12:57:09 GMT -5
Post by portwalk on Jan 20, 2018 12:57:09 GMT -5
Moneyball posted this a couple weeks back OOOUUUCH
"Willard has a chance to win their league. Huron, Vermilion and Edison will be tough but Willard's starting 5 are solid and they can go to their bench for some scoring. They are looking good right now."
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 12:59:29 GMT -5
Post by portwalk on Jan 20, 2018 12:59:29 GMT -5
Also I find this interesting that the belief is that one player is that important to a poor Willard team... By the congrats to PC on win #1
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:01:32 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 20, 2018 13:01:32 GMT -5
The athlete knew the expectation, well in advance. The athlete was given ample opportunity and chose to go a different course. In the process, the athlete chose to let his teammates down, coaches, etc. If I'm Broc's parents, and he's looking for answers, I tell him to go stand in front of the mirror.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:09:15 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 20, 2018 13:09:15 GMT -5
Moneyball posted this a couple weeks back OOOUUUCH "Willard has a chance to win their league. Huron, Vermilion and Edison will be tough but Willard's starting 5 are solid and they can go to their bench for some scoring. They are looking good right now." Thanks for ripping that bandaid off .
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 20, 2018 13:10:35 GMT -5
Also I find this interesting that the belief is that one player is that important to a poor Willard team... By the congrats to PC on win #1 A player of his size, yes he is that important to this team.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:17:13 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 20, 2018 13:17:13 GMT -5
@crimson 5 and mothertrucker...in my post I never said one kid made the team...what I did say that if we allow one kid to play a sport that received an F then we must be consistent with all kids!!!! as far as beating a dead horse mother trucker...maybe the kid is the problem...maybe the parents are the problem..BUT the reality is a kid was allowed to play a sport with an F multiple times per administration and the AD...if we put rules into place they must stand and if it takes posting it on here to get through to administration that they are inconsistent and weak then so be it !
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:17:24 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 20, 2018 13:17:24 GMT -5
wyandot such lame, tired, overused arguments. blame everyone in administration or the schoolboard for every problem a kid has. maybe the parents ARE the problem. maybe the kid was the problem, didn't want to study or do the work It isn't just willard where parents pull their kids, happens here too. Common theme is to blame everyone except yourself or your family. Got news for ya, that weak sauce doesn't world in the real world either. Schools are ran like the mafia these days, once you are in they protect you at any cost. Did you ever think some people on here trying to get this information out there, actually care about the kids? Pull the numbers and see how many kids have left this school year over year in the last 10 years and your head will spin. A great majority of these kids that have left are doing amazingly well at their new school, yep must have been 100% a parent issue.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:25:24 GMT -5
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Post by unconcernedcitizen on Jan 20, 2018 13:25:24 GMT -5
Yes I understand blaming people but guess what! Broc quit the team? He may have been able to get a contract who knows but he said screw it im done so let's stop blaming anyone else besides the kid that quit on his teammates
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by willardfan1 on Jan 20, 2018 13:28:05 GMT -5
Let's be honest the real problem was when they got rid of sowers and long
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Post by galion on Jan 20, 2018 13:30:19 GMT -5
I don't think that some of you understand how eligibility works. You have to be passing a specific number of credits. It doesn't matter what the class is. If he is ineligible for failing only one class then he must not be taking much in the way of his course load.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:33:20 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 20, 2018 13:33:20 GMT -5
Let's be honest the real problem was when they got rid of sowers and long Now that is funny.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:36:22 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 20, 2018 13:36:22 GMT -5
I don't think that some of you understand how eligibility works. You have to be passing a specific number of credits. It doesn't matter what the class is. If he is ineligible for failing only one class then he must not be taking much in the way of his course load. If that is the case why would the AD stand in front of every parent and athlete during a winter sports meeting and say “two Fs and you are not playing, one F and the Principal and I will determined if you deserve a contract to keep playing. He then said this can only happen once, then he said maybe (huh???)
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:40:22 GMT -5
Post by galion on Jan 20, 2018 13:40:22 GMT -5
Well every parent watches the same OHSAA video which clearly states what the OHSAA policies on eligibility are and then signs a paper. If Willard has additional requirements I don't know. Even so, if he knows the policy and still chooses to fail the class he is the only one at fault here. Blaming the administration because a kid chooses not to do his work in class is pretty stupid.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:45:28 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 20, 2018 13:45:28 GMT -5
Well every parent watches the same OHSAA video which clearly states what the OHSAA policies on eligibility are and then signs a paper. If Willard has additional requirements I don't know. Even so, if he knows the policy and still chooses to fail the class he is the only one at fault here. Blaming the administration because a kid chooses not to do his work in class is pretty stupid. Willard has different/higher standards
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 13:55:49 GMT -5
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Post by bballfrenzy on Jan 20, 2018 13:55:49 GMT -5
Seems like every year there’s tons of drama and some type of thread on here about Willard and a bunch of new names popping up to give their opinions. No wonder their sports can’t seem to get it figured out. And regarding the player in question, seems to be an ongoing issue with that last name. I just hope this kid can get it figured out because when he graduates from Willard the real world may be be so kind.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by unconcernedcitizen on Jan 20, 2018 14:04:07 GMT -5
Let's be honest the real problem was when they got rid of sowers and long Well let's be honest what have they gained from getting rid of them? If they would have kept them sowers would have played, cofer would have played, spencer parrot would have came back, and chance Keith would have played. Now look we lose one player and the season goes down the drain
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 20, 2018 14:05:16 GMT -5
Seems like every year there’s tons of drama and some type of thread on here about Willard and a bunch of new names popping up to give their opinions. No wonder their sports can’t seem to get it figured out. And regarding the player in question, seems to be an ongoing issue with that last name. I just hope this kid can get it figured out because when he graduates from Willard the real world may be be so kind. Drama is extinguished by great leadership and consistency, enough said.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by bballfrenzy on Jan 20, 2018 14:17:09 GMT -5
Leadership can’t stop all you willard faithful from creating more drama by coming on here and telling all the things going on and spreading rumors or going out in public places around Willard complaining and starting drama.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:33:26 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 20, 2018 14:33:26 GMT -5
Leadership can’t stop all you willard faithful from creating more drama by coming on here and telling all the things going on and spreading rumors or going out in public places around Willard complaining and starting drama. I love when it bothers you to hear so much truth and you spin it as rumors. Can’t fix problems unless you know the truth and acknowledge it pal.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:34:46 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 20, 2018 14:34:46 GMT -5
Let's be honest the real problem was when they got rid of sowers and long Well let's be honest what have they gained from getting rid of them? If they would have kept them sowers would have played, cofer would have played, spencer parrot would have came back, and chance Keith would have played. Now look we lose one player and the season goes down the drain Lets try and get up a petition to get them back.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:35:12 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 20, 2018 14:35:12 GMT -5
bballfrenzy there is no drama ...the facts speak for themselves...you obviously have an opinion as everyone else...lets the stats speak for themselves...kids are leaving in high numbers..kids are refusing to play...was sowers and long the solution? I think not...when you verbally assault kids in public you should be done regardless of your status or ability to coach...as previously stated...code of conduct applies to all not just who they feel like holding responsible!
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:43:47 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 14:43:47 GMT -5
greenman I agree 100% we are treating the symptoms and not the problem....we have no one in our administration or board who is willing to do whats right...I agree with having access to advanced topics...I was just saying it should not be forced..it should be an elective just as every other class is....maybe if brocs parents knew of the kid who Ritz went to bat for they could cry foul play and demand equal treatment. Okay, there's the thing, I was under the impression that it was the same student who did get to play in the fall despite being ineligible as it was now. It's not. That clears some things up. As to the "advanced topics be electives" argument, I disagree, as there will be a great host of students that will choose not to challenge themselves if that is the case. Also, I'm curious as to the context of the other student being allowed to play in the fall, i.e., what was his situation, as equal does not always equate with "fair."
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:48:03 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 20, 2018 14:48:03 GMT -5
greenman his situation was he failed a class at the end of his junior year..the teacher refused to sign the contract for him to play football...parents spoke to administration and Jeff Ritz and Joe Crawford overroad the teachers decision. I agree with students not willing to challenge themselves but its these same students who will not meet the criteria it takes to pass a mandated class...so finding a solution is whats needed not forcing a kid to take a class just because you can.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:54:34 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 20, 2018 14:54:34 GMT -5
Well every parent watches the same OHSAA video which clearly states what the OHSAA policies on eligibility are and then signs a paper. If Willard has additional requirements I don't know. Even so, if he knows the policy and still chooses to fail the class he is the only one at fault here. Blaming the administration because a kid chooses not to do his work in class is pretty stupid. Willard has different/higher standards so what you are saying Willard has higher standards such as allowing coaches to publicly deface kids, grab kids by their shirts, chase refs into locker rooms and harass...etc etc....are those ok standards in your book? maybe we should stop overlooking the problems and start holding coaches kids parents and administration accountable...it starts from the top and filters to the bottom..why should kids behave when their "mentors" are not ?
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 15:59:06 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 20, 2018 15:59:06 GMT -5
Willard has different/higher standards so what you are saying Willard has higher standards such as allowing coaches to publicly deface kids, grab kids by their shirts, chase refs into locker rooms and harass...etc etc....are those ok standards in your book? maybe we should stop overlooking the problems and start holding coaches kids parents and administration accountable...it starts from the top and filters to the bottom..why should kids behave when their "mentors" are not ? NO WYANDOT...different/higher standards relative to eligibility, that's all I meant.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 19:04:54 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 19:04:54 GMT -5
greenman his situation was he failed a class at the end of his junior year..the teacher refused to sign the contract for him to play football...parents spoke to administration and Jeff Ritz and Joe Crawford overroad the teachers decision. I agree with students not willing to challenge themselves but its these same students who will not meet the criteria it takes to pass a mandated class...so finding a solution is whats needed not forcing a kid to take a class just because you can. Ritz and Crawford should have told the parent, as politely as possible, to pound sand. Teachers and admin don't "make students take a class just because they can." It's done to give students greater opportunities down the road with such courses on their transcripts. It all, of course, depends on the student.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 19:05:50 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 19:05:50 GMT -5
...And who was publically "defacing" a kid? Did they use spray paint or toilet paper?
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