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Jan 20, 2018 19:50:02 GMT -5
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Post by bballfrenzy on Jan 20, 2018 19:50:02 GMT -5
bballfrenzy there is no drama ...the facts speak for themselves...you obviously have an opinion as everyone else...lets the stats speak for themselves...kids are leaving in high numbers..kids are refusing to play...was sowers and long the solution? I think not...when you verbally assault kids in public you should be done regardless of your status or ability to coach...as previously stated...code of conduct applies to all not just who they feel like holding responsible! My man I have no opinion, I just find it interesting how there’s always so many threads on Willard every year and there’s always some type of controversy going on. I bet the number of Willard topics and controversies talked about on here outnumber all the other schools by a ratio of 4:1.
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Jan 20, 2018 22:54:22 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 22:54:22 GMT -5
Willard has different/higher standards so what you are saying Willard has higher standards such as allowing coaches to publicly deface kids, grab kids by their shirts, chase refs into locker rooms and harass...etc etc....are those ok standards in your book? maybe we should stop overlooking the problems and start holding coaches kids parents and administration accountable...it starts from the top and filters to the bottom..why should kids behave when their "mentors" are not ? Time and time again, I hear this term "verbal abuse" thrown around by these busybody helicopter parents. It's yelling, and it wouldn't need to be done if your kid would listen the first time around. Same with "grabbing kids by their shirts." Join the golf team, for chrissakes.
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Jan 20, 2018 23:00:14 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 23:00:14 GMT -5
wyandot such lame, tired, overused arguments. blame everyone in administration or the schoolboard for every problem a kid has. maybe the parents ARE the problem. maybe the kid was the problem, didn't want to study or do the work It isn't just willard where parents pull their kids, happens here too. Common theme is to blame everyone except yourself or your family. Got news for ya, that weak sauce doesn't world in the real world either. Schools are ran like the mafia these days, once you are in they protect you at any cost. Did you ever think some people on here trying to get this information out there, actually care about the kids? Pull the numbers and see how many kids have left this school year over year in the last 10 years and your head will spin. A great majority of these kids that have left are doing amazingly well at their new school, yep must have been 100% a parent issue. Hasn't Willard has spent many years now descending from a quiet farm town into a hub for the manufacture trade of illicit narcotics and an unofficial sanctuary town for illegal aliens? Like, another decade of the status quo will see Willard ready to rival Sandusky city in the mentioned drug areas? But clearly, it's the school culture that drives Willard citizens out of Willard schools.
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Jan 20, 2018 23:02:30 GMT -5
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Jan 21, 2018 0:27:01 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 0:27:01 GMT -5
so Dude let me ask you this. What your saying is that we should turn a blind eye depending on the kid? Because they did not hold another kid or two accountable and that is unfair practice. There is a lot of unfairness in Willard City Schools...A rule is a rule so if we hold Baldridge accountable I hope every person on this board is paying attention to this post because in the future this will be written as proof that they held broc accountable and under no circumstance should there be a variance for anyone else , including those who feel there donations to the schools gain them an advantage! Nope, what I am saying is attack the admins for letting a kid slide, not for holding a kid to the policy. But it sounds like this kid walked away before being disciplined.
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Post by wyandot on Jan 21, 2018 4:29:42 GMT -5
so what you are saying Willard has higher standards such as allowing coaches to publicly deface kids, grab kids by their shirts, chase refs into locker rooms and harass...etc etc....are those ok standards in your book? maybe we should stop overlooking the problems and start holding coaches kids parents and administration accountable...it starts from the top and filters to the bottom..why should kids behave when their "mentors" are not ? Time and time again, I hear this term "verbal abuse" thrown around by these busybody helicopter parents. It's yelling, and it wouldn't need to be done if your kid would listen the first time around. Same with "grabbing kids by their shirts." Join the golf team, for chrissakes. greenman...let me just say this .you may feel that verbally assaulting a kid or grabbing them by the shirt is effective but your wrong. if you cant get a kid to listen its because he has zero respect for you as a coach...its people like you that are the reason this subject in the Willard schools never go away...denial.denial.denial and misguided values! look at area coaches who have "winning teams" coach haas may have yelled , he may have thrown a clip board or two to get their attention BUT he also praised and recognized them for their efforts..he sought out kids to play for him...he did NOT play kids because of who their parent was in the community, he played talent..he demanded they play as a team and he reprimanded anyone with an attitude because at that time there were tons of kids waiting to take a kid with an attitudes spot on the starting position. Now we simply look at the kid and say I don't know what to do with them...I cant deal with them because there are too many other issues...Make fun of people who want a better system..you are entitled to your opinion but it is just that an OPINION ! What would happen if someone did this to your kid? would you support the coach or your kid? If you support a coaches behavior and your kid responds with an attitude how can you blame them. They are following what they are being taught!
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Jan 21, 2018 8:16:33 GMT -5
Post by buckeyekid on Jan 21, 2018 8:16:33 GMT -5
I read in the Norwalk paper this morning Norwalk won by about 20. It was gonna be a tough win --with-- Brock Baldridge and nearly impossible without him. If what I've read on here is accurate, that he quit the team instead of being In-eligible, the situation is pretty similar to a few years ago where Jordan Moore who also was tall and their leading rebounder and maybe #2 scorer who also quit the team about this same time. Both kids seemed to be good players who their teams' really needed,,,but were also in very Tough home situations. As a person who no longer has kids in HS, it breaks my heart to see this. You just wish you could help a kid like those two,,,who like Coach Haas used to say---"needs basketball more than basketball needs them". It's such a helpless feeling when you wanna see your Alma Mater be successful and we just can't seem to get out of this rut we are in with Boys sports. The Girls programs seem to be flourishing in numerous Sports which is Great! I don't have the answer, but I'm willing to help. I'll go to my grave helping the Student athletes at WHS be successful, because I know how it impacts the community at large in a Positive way.
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Jan 21, 2018 8:34:45 GMT -5
Post by Willard Dad on Jan 21, 2018 8:34:45 GMT -5
5 rules to success in HS show up to class everyday take notes in class go over notes when you get home do the homework assignments get enough sleep It's almost impossible to fail if you do those things
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Jan 21, 2018 8:55:25 GMT -5
Post by buckeyekid on Jan 21, 2018 8:55:25 GMT -5
I'll add one line item to Willard Dad's list "eating healthy" Sets your body and brain up for success.
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Jan 21, 2018 8:59:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 8:59:31 GMT -5
All things that a 16-18 year old boys is thinking about.
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Jan 21, 2018 9:02:50 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 21, 2018 9:02:50 GMT -5
I read in the Norwalk paper this morning Norwalk won by about 20. It was gonna be a tough win --with-- Brock Baldridge and nearly impossible without him. If what I've read on here is accurate, that he quit the team instead of being In-eligible, the situation is pretty similar to a few years ago where Jordan Moore who also was tall and their leading rebounder and maybe #2 scorer who also quit the team about this same time. Both kids seemed to be good players who their teams' really needed,,,but were also in very Tough home situations. As a person who no longer has kids in HS, it breaks my heart to see this. You just wish you could help a kid like those two,,,who like Coach Haas used to say---"needs basketball more than basketball needs them". It's such a helpless feeling when you wanna see your Alma Mater be successful and we just can't seem to get out of this rut we are in with Boys sports. The Girls programs seem to be flourishing in numerous Sports which is Great! I don't have the answer, but I'm willing to help. I'll go to my grave helping the Student athletes at WHS be successful, because I know how it impacts the community at large in a Positive way. in order to fix a problem you have to first acknowledge that it exists...If you dig into willards administration and school board members you will find many imperfections. How do we change that? We hold them accountable we attend school board meetings and we bring to light in a public session so there is no denying a complaint has been made. every person in this world should have standards to follow no matter how rich or poor you are. if you don't follow standards there is a consequence. these people are paid with tax dollars so they work for the public. as our employees it takes us standing up to whatever is going on It goes way beyond sports!
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Jan 21, 2018 9:26:23 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 9:26:23 GMT -5
these people are paid with tax dollars so they work for the public. as our employees it takes us standing up to whatever is going on It goes way beyond sports! Best of luck with your "employees".
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Jan 21, 2018 9:43:00 GMT -5
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Post by bballfrenzy on Jan 21, 2018 9:43:00 GMT -5
The Willard folk keep bringing up the school board, aren’t 3 of the 5 members new ones voted in in the last couple years? So basically you guys won’t be happy until all 5 are new?
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Jan 21, 2018 9:52:02 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 21, 2018 9:52:02 GMT -5
The Willard folk keep bringing up the school board, aren’t 3 of the 5 members new ones voted in in the last couple years? So basically you guys won’t be happy until all 5 are new? or maybe ones with values are voted on
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Jan 21, 2018 9:55:16 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 9:55:16 GMT -5
Most issues involving every student can be directly related to parenting, but for some reason it quickly turns into the fault of an administration.
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Jan 21, 2018 9:59:21 GMT -5
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Post by bballfrenzy on Jan 21, 2018 9:59:21 GMT -5
The Willard folk keep bringing up the school board, aren’t 3 of the 5 members new ones voted in in the last couple years? So basically you guys won’t be happy until all 5 are new? or maybe ones with values are voted on So the 3 new ones don’t have any values?
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Jan 21, 2018 9:59:55 GMT -5
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Post by bballfrenzy on Jan 21, 2018 9:59:55 GMT -5
Most issues involving every student can be directly related to parenting, but for some reason it quickly turns into the fault of an administration. Precisely.
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Jan 21, 2018 10:06:46 GMT -5
Post by moneyball on Jan 21, 2018 10:06:46 GMT -5
Most issues involving every student can be directly related to parenting, but for some reason it quickly turns into the fault of an administration. Precisely. The majority of issues are a result of parenting or family lifestyle, especially in Willard, I will give you that. However, we have identified time after time of a couple bad apples in the teaching ranks so the "MOST" argument applies to teachers as well. In the school system they address the so called bad kids, what about addressing the so called bad teachers? The administration has failed the "MOST" teachers because the few that are bad are ruining it for all the good ones. Ritz and the Principal need to address the bad teachers or they should be held accountable by the school board. Ritz is smoke and mirrors, trust me I've heard his lies many times. You know he is lying when his mouth is moving.
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Jan 21, 2018 11:03:18 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 21, 2018 11:03:18 GMT -5
or maybe ones with values are voted on So the 3 new ones don’t have any values? when you are catering to the superintendent....hiding facts or making excuses for the issues in the school system then yes they have no values...if you sit on the board of education you should set high standards for decision making, taking into account how your decision will affect others not just a select few...if you watch their voting it 5 to 0 everytime they vote...why is that? does it make the meeting quicker or are they just all like minds? either way they are not serving the best interest of the kids...its not just the new 3 but all 5 . would be be talking about the same problems every year if the school board were ones with values? as I said previously you have board members with some pretty big issues in their personal life...you cant fix issues when you have your own that you don't acknowledge. Im tired of seeing kids get a bad rap....maybe its partially the parents but if you take into account the number of hours in a day that a kid spends with parents verses teachers/coaches the ratio is much higher with a teacher /coach.
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Jan 21, 2018 11:05:31 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 21, 2018 11:05:31 GMT -5
Most issues involving every student can be directly related to parenting, but for some reason it quickly turns into the fault of an administration. Precisely. not everyone can be a good parent I agree with that BUT not everyone is a good teacher, coach, administrator or board member. If we paid for performance we may see some real changes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jan 21, 2018 11:13:07 GMT -5
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Post by bballfrenzy on Jan 21, 2018 11:13:07 GMT -5
So the 3 new ones don’t have any values? when you are catering to the superintendent....hiding facts or making excuses for the issues in the school system then yes they have no values...if you sit on the board of education you should set high standards for decision making, taking into account how your decision will affect others not just a select few...if you watch their voting it 5 to 0 everytime they vote...why is that? does it make the meeting quicker or are they just all like minds? either way they are not serving the best interest of the kids...its not just the new 3 but all 5 . would be be talking about the same problems every year if the school board were ones with values? as I said previously you have board members with some pretty big issues in their personal life...you cant fix issues when you have your own that you don't acknowledge. Im tired of seeing kids get a bad rap....maybe its partially the parents but if you take into account the number of hours in a day that a kid spends with parents verses teachers/coaches the ratio is much higher with a teacher /coach. So now you want the voters in Willard to replace all 5, even the 3 new ones again. Amazing. And who doesn’t have problems in their personal life? Everyone’s got issues going on in their lives, what an unfair assessment to make of just those 5. If you vote in members who have no personal life issues you’d have no one to vote in. I’m really starting to feel bad for the kids in Willard when I see how some of you feel and the things you say on here. Hopefully you are the minority and not the majority in Willard.
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Jan 21, 2018 12:25:05 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 21, 2018 12:25:05 GMT -5
when you are catering to the superintendent....hiding facts or making excuses for the issues in the school system then yes they have no values...if you sit on the board of education you should set high standards for decision making, taking into account how your decision will affect others not just a select few...if you watch their voting it 5 to 0 everytime they vote...why is that? does it make the meeting quicker or are they just all like minds? either way they are not serving the best interest of the kids...its not just the new 3 but all 5 . would be be talking about the same problems every year if the school board were ones with values? as I said previously you have board members with some pretty big issues in their personal life...you cant fix issues when you have your own that you don't acknowledge. Im tired of seeing kids get a bad rap....maybe its partially the parents but if you take into account the number of hours in a day that a kid spends with parents verses teachers/coaches the ratio is much higher with a teacher /coach. So now you want the voters in Willard to replace all 5, even the 3 new ones again. Amazing. And who doesn’t have problems in their personal life? Everyone’s got issues going on in their lives, what an unfair assessment to make of just those 5. If you vote in members who have no personal life issues you’d have no one to vote in. I’m really starting to feel bad for the kids in Willard when I see how some of you feel and the things you say on here. Hopefully you are the minority and not the majority in Willard. if you read it properly you would see the blame was distributed to the teacher/coach and administration which includes principle compliance officers and AD...you must be a board member or relative if you have to pick apart what others are saying. your looking for an argument not a solution. yes everyone has personal issues but not everyone cheats and lies when busted and not everyone pretends they are above the law. please follow the media if you feel Im a minority!
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Jan 21, 2018 12:30:02 GMT -5
Post by buckeyekid on Jan 21, 2018 12:30:02 GMT -5
Above post by bballfrenzy. First paragraph final sentence. "if you vote in members who have no personal life issues you'd have no one to vote in"--100% agree-Nobodys perfect out there. Just about Every decision made is going to make someone unhappy. It was the case when I was in school and even now. If we don't agree with policy in the State, you vote out the Governor or the State Reps. In the country, it's the same way, you don't like the President you vote him out of office.
As far as a relationship a kid has with a bad teacher/coach effecting a kid in an adverse way. I had some "bad" teachers in my life and maybe a "bad" coach or two in my life. My home life went like this during a bad situation--- They supported me but they Never Ever blamed a teacher or coach or administrator or board member for any of my personal failures and I had more than a few. They told me they loved me, but they also said--"get you act together or else! " Of course not every kid has a steady home influence, and I find that extremely sad. But here's how that seems to go---all blame is directed towards the School and all those involved with in it straight to the Top. People need to stop blaming everyone else for a kids situation where a parents poor choice set them up for failure.
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Jan 21, 2018 12:37:22 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 21, 2018 12:37:22 GMT -5
Above post by bballfrenzy. First paragraph final sentence. "if you vote in members who have no personal life issues you'd have no one to vote in"--100% agree-Nobodys perfect out there. Just about Every decision made is going to make someone unhappy. It was the case when I was in school and even now. If we don't agree with policy in the State, you vote out the Governor or the State Reps. In the country, it's the same way, you don't like the President you vote him out of office. As far as a relationship a kid has with a bad teacher/coach effecting a kid in an adverse way. I had some "bad" teachers in my life and maybe a "bad" coach or two in my life. My home life went like this during a bad situation--- They supported me but they Never Ever blamed a teacher or coach or administrator or board member for any of my personal failures and I had more than a few. They told me they loved me, but they also said--"get you act together or else! " Of course not every kid has a steady home influence, and I find that extremely sad. But here's how that seems to go---all blame is directed towards the School and all those involved with in it straight to the Top. People need to stop blaming everyone else for a kids situation where a parents poor choice set them up for failure. when you have 63 kids leave your district within 3 months of school starting its time to look beyond the parents...if parents didn't care they wouldn't move their kids they would make them deal with it...as I said earlier you cant fix what you don't acknowledge...why is administration not addressing the fact that Willard schools have a large number of students transferring to local schools nearby. Please give me you insight about this? this is a different generation than the one you may have been raised in buckeyekid!
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Post by clb6110 on Jan 21, 2018 12:38:18 GMT -5
buckeye you know it's easier to blame others than look in the mirror. It's been going on in Willard for years.
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Jan 21, 2018 12:53:45 GMT -5
Post by buckeyekid on Jan 21, 2018 12:53:45 GMT -5
If 63 is a factual number, I'd just about bet it's based on a higher migrant population and people leaving for work in different States. There may be some leaving because of issues not related to the reason I stated. No way were there 63 problem situation/departures, not buying that scenario. If you have proof of that number, then I will admit I was mistaken, and perhaps change my opinion on this discussion.
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Jan 21, 2018 12:59:30 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 21, 2018 12:59:30 GMT -5
If 63 is a factual number, I'd just about bet it's based on a higher migrant population and people leaving for work in different States. There may be some leaving because of issues not related to the reason I stated. No way were there 63 problem situation/departures, not buying that scenario. If you have proof of that number, then I will admit I was mistaken, and perhaps change my opinion on this discussion. even if the number is lower is it still ok that students are leaving because of Teachers in the middle school deemed bullies"? we should be ashamed if one student leaves because of a teacher bullying...we profess to have zero tolerance...please go to the school board meeting and ask Jeff Ritz for a number as to how many kids are leaving....its public knowledge and the public is being misguided just as the information about why and who is not being addressed. please respond to this in the future when its your kid or grandkid being mistreated.
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Jan 21, 2018 13:03:58 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 21, 2018 13:03:58 GMT -5
If 63 is a factual number, I'd just about bet it's based on a higher migrant population and people leaving for work in different States. There may be some leaving because of issues not related to the reason I stated. No way were there 63 problem situation/departures, not buying that scenario. If you have proof of that number, then I will admit I was mistaken, and perhaps change my opinion on this discussion. The numbers are public information. During a school board meeting a parent brought up that in 2007 we had 2100 kids, in 2017 we have 1600. That is an average of 50 kids a year, lost in this community and school, those aren’t migrant numbers. People are not flocking to Willard, they are flocking out. The school has been hit, and hard with this bullying situation and their grade performance. We continuento let teachers like the one that sent South Central the e-mail to remain teaching and coaching in our schools. Make an example of this situation and everyone else will fall in line.
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Jan 21, 2018 13:24:56 GMT -5
Post by galion on Jan 21, 2018 13:24:56 GMT -5
If 63 is a factual number, I'd just about bet it's based on a higher migrant population and people leaving for work in different States. There may be some leaving because of issues not related to the reason I stated. No way were there 63 problem situation/departures, not buying that scenario. If you have proof of that number, then I will admit I was mistaken, and perhaps change my opinion on this discussion. even if the number is lower is it still ok that students are leaving because of Teachers in the middle school deemed bullies"? we should be ashamed if one student leaves because of a teacher bullying...we profess to have zero tolerance...please go to the school board meeting and ask Jeff Ritz for a number as to how many kids are leaving....its public knowledge and the public is being misguided just as the information about why and who is not being addressed. please respond to this in the future when its your kid or grandkid being mistreated. So you're basically admitting that you pulled that number out of your ***
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Jan 21, 2018 13:27:05 GMT -5
Post by galion on Jan 21, 2018 13:27:05 GMT -5
If 63 is a factual number, I'd just about bet it's based on a higher migrant population and people leaving for work in different States. There may be some leaving because of issues not related to the reason I stated. No way were there 63 problem situation/departures, not buying that scenario. If you have proof of that number, then I will admit I was mistaken, and perhaps change my opinion on this discussion. The numbers are public information. During a school board meeting a parent brought up that in 2007 we had 2100 kids, in 2017 we have 1600. That is an average of 50 kids a year, lost in this community and school, those aren’t migrant numbers. People are not flocking to Willard, they are flocking out. The school has been hit, and hard with this bullying situation and their grade performance. We continuento let teachers like the one that sent South Central the e-mail to remain teaching and coaching in our schools. Make an example of this situation and everyone else will fall in line. Just about every district in this area has shrunk since 2007. Many just as much as Willard has. Did you really think Willard is an outlyer and not part of the trend?
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