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Willard
Dec 5, 2018 23:09:49 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 5, 2018 23:09:49 GMT -5
Upper only beats Galion by 15
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Willard
Dec 6, 2018 20:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by marchmadness on Dec 6, 2018 20:53:17 GMT -5
Willard 66 Carey 62 Final
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 7, 2018 5:20:40 GMT -5
update from anyone who went?
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Post by truecrimson on Dec 7, 2018 9:21:27 GMT -5
update from anyone who went? For those that did not want to travel, Carey has this technology thing down and they stream their games over the net. Tough to see some things but loved it. Looked like they played hard, Willard subbed a ton and I'm sure it was to try and keep the kids from getting worn out. Couple kids looked like they didn't play for whatever reason. The big kid from Carey was tough down low but fizzled in the end. Good win for the flashes.
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Willard
Dec 7, 2018 22:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 7, 2018 22:32:46 GMT -5
Went and watch Plymouth against st.Paul. Jake Adams went for 35. Kid is a player. Plymouth won after being down 30-15. Think they won by 4.
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Willard
Dec 8, 2018 9:42:30 GMT -5
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Post by portwalk on Dec 8, 2018 9:42:30 GMT -5
update from anyone who went? Saw the Parrot kid had 32. Haven’t read the Willard thread word for word I know he is a move in what grade???
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Willard
Dec 8, 2018 10:30:23 GMT -5
Post by truecrimson on Dec 8, 2018 10:30:23 GMT -5
update from anyone who went? Saw the Parrot kid had 32. Haven’t read the Willard thread word for word I know he is a move in what grade??? WOW! He is actually a returnee that left after 7th or 8th grade (??). He is a junior according to the lineup sheet. The kid from crestline is really good to. Haven't heard much about the freshman kid playing varsity, really good ball handler. What is going on with him?
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Willard
Dec 10, 2018 21:32:31 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 10, 2018 21:32:31 GMT -5
I've always enjoyed watching a point guard being pass first player,run the team,play lock down d and a lot more assists than turnovers. We looked like it was a free for all for all the players not just one.not really concerned about the amount of three's we took but who took them. The whole team was chucking them up. Hope to get that fixed asap. More concerning to me was assists to turn over. Should be 2 to 1 ratio at the least I know we didn't have 44 assists  List 4 teams in the area that have or had last season a 2-1 ratio with assists and turnovers?
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Willard
Dec 10, 2018 21:37:33 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 10, 2018 21:37:33 GMT -5
Willard had 5 turnovers and 13 assists against bucyrus. There your 2 to 1 ratio.if you want to be a very good team that stat alone will tell you who won the game. You act like it can't be done. Obviously you haven't been around a whole lot of basketball. Keep trying though.
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Willard
Dec 10, 2018 21:56:21 GMT -5
Post by dude on Dec 10, 2018 21:56:21 GMT -5
Willard had 5 turnovers and 13 assists against bucyrus. There your 2 to 1 ratio.if you want to be a very good team that stat alone will tell you who won the game. You act like it can't be done. Obviously you haven't been around a whole lot of basketball. Keep trying though. Whoa, I stand corrected. We should expect this to become the average ratio for your Willard team. What was the ratio from the other 2 games Willard played? Obviously you have been under a rock for some time if you are using stats from a Bucyrus game to make your point. Many things can be done when you schedule a team you can beat by 40 points. Here is a important stat to remember, In 3 games Bucyrus has been beat by a total of 75 points. But I agree with you, it was a good win for the Flashes.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 10:49:08 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 11, 2018 10:49:08 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that taking care of the ball and finding open teammates is good basketball and it can be done IF this team wants to be a really good team they can't turn it over like they did against upper. Don't care if upper presses and tries to speed you up. port Clinton doesnt have a whole lot then we start to get into the tough part of our schedule. We know a whole lot about this team in a month but ill have to agree with crimson5 that if this team goes 500 it is underachieving.if they only go 500 the coaches should retire. Way to much talent
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 11:20:10 GMT -5
Post by dude on Dec 11, 2018 11:20:10 GMT -5
All I'm saying is the 2-1 ratio you expect for a team is not regular achieved for a team. It can be done with certain opponents, but those opponents are not of high caliber. A good high school basketball team can average 8-9 turnovers a game and very few teams will average 18 assists a game. Another example of unrealistic expectations.
Vermilion was 18-4 last season and had an assist/turnover game averages of 14/12.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 12:54:52 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 11, 2018 12:54:52 GMT -5
With the style of play willard wants to play I will agree with 9 to 10 turnovers but with guys running the floor they should have 18 to 20 assists also. 2 to 1. I think the more familiar this team gets with playing with one another that number is realistic. Just my opinion.if they played slow I wouldn't expect the assist number to be so high. They want to get a lot of shots up which I'm on board with.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 12:57:50 GMT -5
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 11, 2018 12:57:50 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that taking care of the ball and finding open teammates is good basketball and it can be done IF this team wants to be a really good team they can't turn it over like they did against upper. Don't care if upper presses and tries to speed you up. port Clinton doesnt have a whole lot then we start to get into the tough part of our schedule. We know a whole lot about this team in a month but ill have to agree with crimson5 that if this team goes 500 it is underachieving.if they only go 500 the coaches should retire. Way to much talent I think I'm going to go Rick Pitino here in a little bit regarding his Boston Celtics back in the day.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 13:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Dec 11, 2018 13:05:11 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that taking care of the ball and finding open teammates is good basketball and it can be done IF this team wants to be a really good team they can't turn it over like they did against upper. Don't care if upper presses and tries to speed you up. port Clinton doesnt have a whole lot then we start to get into the tough part of our schedule. We know a whole lot about this team in a month but ill have to agree with crimson5 that if this team goes 500 it is underachieving.if they only go 500 the coaches should retire. Way to much talent I think I'm going to go Rick Pitino here in a little bit regarding his Boston Celtics back in the day. Not even sure what that means.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 13:10:08 GMT -5
Post by truecrimson on Dec 11, 2018 13:10:08 GMT -5
I think I'm going to go Rick Pitino here in a little bit regarding his Boston Celtics back in the day. Not even sure what that means. The have a 7 game stretch where 6 of the 7 teams are tough, starting with Oak Harbor. If they go .500 in that stretch they'll end up winning 14-16 games. If they don't I think they'll end up 10-12. I'm hearing the crestline kid isn't playing 6 games, is that still true?
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 13:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 11, 2018 13:13:25 GMT -5
Btw. They had 15 assists against Carey but turned it over 18. To many .IF they can get the turnovers down that's more shots with equals more assists. It can be done
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 13:13:32 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Dec 11, 2018 13:13:32 GMT -5
Not even sure what that means. The have a 7 game stretch where 6 of the 7 teams are tough, starting with Oak Harbor. If they go .500 in that stretch they'll end up winning 14-16 games. If they don't I think they'll end up 10-12. I'm hearing the crestline kid isn't playing 6 games, is that still true? As far as I know, it is still true. I havent heard the results of the appeal with OHSAA. Was told we should hear something this month.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 13:49:13 GMT -5
Post by dude on Dec 11, 2018 13:49:13 GMT -5
With the style of play willard wants to play I will agree with 9 to 10 turnovers but with guys running the floor they should have 18 to 20 assists also. 2 to 1. I think the more familiar this team gets with playing with one another that number is realistic. Just my opinion.if they played slow I wouldn't expect the assist number to be so high. They want to get a lot of shots up which I'm on board with. Stop smoking the turnip greens up there.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 14:28:22 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 11, 2018 14:28:22 GMT -5
Way more important than a team's assist to turnover ratio being 2-1, is your defense causing an opponent to have twice as many turnovers than you have. AND your team out rebounding your opponent 2-1. That should always get you a double digit. Where a 2-1 assist to turnover ration doesn't guarantee a win.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 14:38:40 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 11, 2018 14:38:40 GMT -5
Way more important than a team's assist to turnover ratio being 2-1, is your defense causing an opponent to have twice as many turnovers than you have. AND your team out rebounding your opponent 2-1. That should always get you a double digit. Where a 2-1 assist to turnover ration doesn't guarantee a win.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 14:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 11, 2018 14:47:14 GMT -5
Wow. I thought there were some smart fans 9n here. Boy was I wrong. Let me break it down for you.just because you outrebound or force the other team in more turnovers tell doesn't equal points. The team with more points wins.I get that rebounding and causing turnovers is part it.so what your saying is we should of had 80 rebounds and turnover upper 44 times. Now that's unrealistic.assist equals points. Taking care of the ball equals more shots.more shots equal more points. Wow
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 15:14:44 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 11, 2018 15:14:44 GMT -5
Do the math, neophyte. Lets say your team has 10 turnovers and your opponent has 20 turnovers. AND your team has 20 rebounds and your opponent has 10 rebounds. An offensive rebound means you have another possession or a put back for 2 points. A defensive rebound means you have kept your opponents from having another possession. That means your team has the opportunity to score 20 more times than your opponent. The same as your team being allowed to have the first 20 possessions of of the game. With the rest of the game being equal in turnovers and rebounds. The more possessions your have the more opportunities you have to make a basket. With those two stats occurring it outweighs JUST a 2-1 turnover to assist ratio. You are aware that a basket can be scored without an assist, right? In the Ontario vs Harding game all stats were close to equal. including assists. EXCEPT Harding had twice as many turnovers. Ontario also made more 3-pointers. A lot of their baskets were made on one on one drives to the baskets, no assist. Ontario won by 14.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 15:50:46 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 11, 2018 15:50:46 GMT -5
If my opponent only had ten rebounds then their probably worse than bucyrus so your numbers aren't exactly probable.I'm saying for THIS team to get to the level that they are capable of they need to cut the turnovers way down.with that comes more shots.hopefully we see the assists start to rise and turnovers on the way down.not only will it equal wins but big wins against good quality teams.
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Willard
Dec 11, 2018 17:24:24 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 11, 2018 17:24:24 GMT -5
If my opponent only had ten rebounds then their probably worse than bucyrus so your numbers aren't exactly probable.I'm saying for THIS team to get to the level that they are capable of they need to cut the turnovers way down.with that comes more shots.hopefully we see the assists start to rise and turnovers on the way down.not only will it equal wins but big wins against good quality teams. Just picking numbers, only 10 rebounds could mean the opponent is shooting lights out. What's important for ALL teams. Take care of the basketball. Play in your face man defense with proper help and rotation, occasionally trapping when it's called for. Full court or as soon as the opponent comes across mid-court. Not zone, which will force more turnovers. Out rebound the opponent. Fast break when it makes sense, otherwise have good shot selection in the half court. Both making assists increase. That will allow any team to compete for a league title.
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Post by bballfrenzy on Dec 11, 2018 17:52:57 GMT -5
Willard threads are always the best.
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Post by ScarletFever on Dec 11, 2018 18:04:49 GMT -5
Willard threads are always the best. You never know what wacky level they are going to be, but there will be wackiness indeed
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 0:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 0:19:47 GMT -5
In all my years I don't think I've seen a team only have 10 rebounds. If the other team is shooting lights out the only way you contend with that is score with them. So you have just made my point. Take care of the ball and find the open man. Assist to turnover. Thanx
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2018 5:46:39 GMT -5
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 9:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 9:04:16 GMT -5
Wow. Another fan that just doesn't get it. You must be related to Fillmore. Dumb and dumber.
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