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Post by Big Lex Fan on Jan 24, 2018 14:15:16 GMT -5
Was not a Willard thing however when your my age and looking at those records if someone told you 20 years ago Norwalk is NOT going to lose to Willard for nearly a DECADE you would’ve chuckled that’s all... Also surprised by Steve’s lack of success vs Ontario if that only translated come tournament time for OHS... Steve Gray has sub-par record against Ontario when at Lexington. That's also where Joe Balogh got the majority of his wins against Lex.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 24, 2018 15:02:35 GMT -5
Was not a Willard thing however when your my age and looking at those records if someone told you 20 years ago Norwalk is NOT going to lose to Willard for nearly a DECADE you would’ve chuckled that’s all... Also surprised by Steve’s lack of success vs Ontario if that only translated come tournament time for OHS... Steve Gray has sub-par record against Ontario when at Lexington. That's also where Joe Balogh got the majority of his wins against Lex. I know the Lex contingent really did not like Gray however in the eight years he spent at the school he had winning seasons All but 2 off the 8 including a regional appearance. The next 6 years Lex had 2 winning seasons and never sniffed regionals. So while it was not ideal it worked out in the end for both schools. A little bit better for Norwalk hence the Division 2 State Championship Trophy...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 15:10:05 GMT -5
Steve Gray has sub-par record against Ontario when at Lexington. That's also where Joe Balogh got the majority of his wins against Lex. I know the Lex contingent really did not like Gray bower in the eight years he spent at the school he had winning seasons 2 off the 8 including a regioalapoearance. The next 6 years Lex had 2 winning seasons and never sniffed regionals. So while it was not ideal it worked out in the end for both schools. A little bit better for Norwalk hence the Division 2 State Championship Trophy... After typing I checked awebgsu's site and see that in 8 years at Lexington Gray had 6 winning seasons.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 24, 2018 16:50:23 GMT -5
A good "translation" for Ontario the 8 years Gray was at Lex.
92-93 - Beat Lex by 12, 15-9 season, lost in District by 4 points
93-94 - Beat Lex by 9, District Championship
94-95 - Beat Lex by 20, Ontario finished 2nd in their league, Ontario lost at State to Orville by 3 in OT, who won State Title game by 28, most felt Orrville was best team in all Divisions that year.
95-96 - Lex beat Ontario by 13, Ontario 16-5 on the season
96-97 - Beat Lex by 17, lost in Regional Finals by 2 to State Champion Patrick Henry.
97-98 - Beat Lex by 13, lost in Regional by 5 points
98-99 - Beat Lex by 1, 13-9 season, lost in District by 1 point
99-00 - Beat Lex by 17, lost in Regional in 2 OT by 1 point to Lima CC who lost in State-Semis by 1 point
Ontario 7-1 against Gray at Lexington Ontario 2-0 against Gray at Colonel Crawford Ontario 8-2 against Gray at Norwalk
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 24, 2018 17:25:24 GMT -5
I know the Lex contingent really did not like Gray bower in the eight years he spent at the school he had winning seasons 2 off the 8 including a regioalapoearance. The next 6 years Lex had 2 winning seasons and never sniffed regionals. So while it was not ideal it worked out in the end for both schools. A little bit better for Norwalk hence the Division 2 State Championship Trophy... In 8 years at Lexington Gray had 7 winning seasons and one at 10-12. In 8 years at Lex Gray had 6 winning seasons and 2 losing seasons, 9-12 in 92-93 and 10-12 in 97-98.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 24, 2018 19:42:39 GMT -5
A good "translation" for Ontario the 8 years Gray was at Lex. 92-93 - Beat Lex by 12, 15-9 season, lost in District by 4 points 93-94 - Beat Lex by 9, District Championship 94-95 - Beat Lex by 20, Ontario finished 2nd in their league, Ontario lost at State to Orville by 3 in OT, who won State Title game by 28, most felt Orrville was best team in all Divisions that year. 95-96 - Lex beat Ontario by 13, Ontario 16-5 on the season 96-97 - Beat Lex by 17, lost in Regional Finals by 2 to State Champion Patrick Henry. 97-98 - Beat Lex by 13, lost in Regional by 5 points 98-99 - Beat Lex by 1, 13-9 season, lost in District by 1 point 99-00 - Beat Lex by 17, lost in Regional in 2 OT by 1 point to Lima CC who lost in State-Semis by 1 point Ontario 7-1 against Gray at Lexington Ontario 2-0 against Gray at Colonel Crawford Ontario 8-2 against Gray at Norwalk You have educated us all over the past couple of years on Ontario’s run 20 plus years ago in D3... I was thinking more this century
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 24, 2018 21:44:56 GMT -5
This thread was about Coach Gray's 400 wins.
You used it as a vehicle to insult Willard basketball for the umpteenth time.
I graciously point out how very few schools have a winning record against Coach Gray.
You then insult Ontario for the umpteen talking about not "translated" during Gray's tenure at Lex.
I post facts showing Ontario "translating" well in the Gray era at Lex. There were years before and after that in which Ontario also "translated" well.
Ontario was an itsy bitsy school for MANY years during Balogh's 33+ years and 543 wins. Your disdain causes you to only want to talk about a fraction of the years.
How about we only eliminate 3 years of Norwalk basketball history. When Thomas and Harraway played. Would that be fair? Unlike the the unrealistic person you are, I allow you to have your 3 glory years
You also prove to either be uneducated on what Divisions schools are in or untruthful. Ontario was in DIII 5 years ago. Not the unresearched statement of 20 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 21:56:48 GMT -5
portwalk, you need to bow down to greatness, accept the blue and yellow as measuring standard and not be such a hater.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 24, 2018 23:08:22 GMT -5
Ok portwalk, this Century.
Gray - 4 League titles, 8 Sectional Titles, 2 District titles, lost in District Finals once. 1 Regional Title, 1 State Title (same year).
Balogh - 14 League titles, 11 Sectional Titles, 2 District Titles, lost in District Finals 4 times.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 25, 2018 7:56:27 GMT -5
I know Diebler had a long run vs Gray when his kids were ther 2002 to 2008...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 25, 2018 14:45:03 GMT -5
I know Diebler had a long run vs Gray when his kids were ther 2002 to 2008... More than Diebler hurt Gray from 2002 to 2008 Norwalk's finish in the NOL from 2002 to 2008 2002 - last 2-12 2003 - 6th 5-9 2004 - 4th 7-7 2005 - 4th 9-5 2006 - 7th 5-9 2007 - 5th 7-7 2008 - Upper finished 7th Norwalk lost to Upper in the Tournament twice from 2002 to 2008, as did Ontario.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 25, 2018 20:18:29 GMT -5
portwalk, you need to bow down to greatness, accept the blue and yellow as measuring standard and not be such a hater. Dude, Please, Norwalk's real colors are BLUE and GOLD. I don't remember when or why that color of yellow or even why was brought in. I still remember when Norwalk won the 74 State Football Championship the helmets and pants where of the old gold color like that of Notre Dames color. I would like to see that combo back again.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 25, 2018 23:01:45 GMT -5
I know Diebler had a long run vs Gray when his kids were ther 2002 to 2008... More than Diebler hurt Gray from 2002 to 2008 Norwalk's finish in the NOL from 2002 to 2008 2002 - last 2-12 2003 - 6th 5-9 2004 - 4th 7-7 2005 - 4th 9-5 2006 - 7th 5-9 2007 - 5th 7-7 2008 - Upper finished 7th Norwalk lost to Upper in the Tournament twice from 2002 to 2008, as did Ontario. Let's look at a little closer at the years you posted and not with the Filmore "Norwalk Hater" glasses on... 2002 - While finishing a disappointing 2-12 in the NOL & 9-14 overall Norwalk was able to upset a heavily favored SBC champion PC and advanced to Districts before falling to Willard. What a first year in which Norwalk coming off of a 2-19 campaign became competitive again. 2003 - Norwalk finished 5-9 in the NOL and 9-13 overall playing basically all sophs they lost in the sectional final to PC 2004 - While finishing a disappointing 7-7 in a tough NOL they were able to advance to districts prior to falling to Shelby however now jrs. they improved to a 14-9 record. 2005 - Once the NOL was out of reach they faded to a 4th place finish at 9-5 in the NOL however they were able beat 2nd place Willard twice in a couple weeks to advance to a district final prior to falling to the eventual State champs in the finals finishing 17-7... 2006 - After losing a senior laden roster Norwalk was able to stay competitive while dipping to a 5-9 league mark however once again they were able to rise up to make a Distrcit appearance falling to Diebler rams in the District semis finishing at 10-13. 2007 - With mainly underclassmen Norwalk was able to muster a 7-7 NOL record and an 11-10 record with a disappointing loss in sectionals. 2008 - Norwalk finished 11-3 (2nd) in the NOL and 17-6 overall including another trip to districts falling to Lex in the semi's. So in the early years of Gray's tenure you've detailed Norwalk was 87-72 and 5 sectional championships in 7 years laying the foundation for the run between 2010-2014 that culminated in the DIVISION 2 STATE championship. It's all in ones perspective...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 25, 2018 23:34:14 GMT -5
Your implication that Diebler held back the success of Norwalk from 2002 through 2008 was an unresearched blatant untruth.
I don't hate, I just supply facts to disprove untruths.
From 2002 through 2007 Norwalk finished between 4th and last in the NOL. A LOT more than Dirbler was involved for Norwalk never finishing higer than 4th those years. 2002 - What did Diebler have to do with what you said? 2003 - What did Diebler have to do with what you said? 2004 - What did Diebler have to do with what you said? 2005 - What did Diebler have to do with what you said? 2006 - Diebler only had a small part in another disappointing season, but they did knock Norwalk out of the tournament. 2007 - What did Diebler have to do with what you said? 2008 - Upper finished 7th in the NOL, so there was no way Diebler hurt Norwalk that year
The "stage" was not yet set in 2008
2009 - Norwalk 7th, 4-10 in NOL 2010 - Norwalk 4th, 8-6 in NOL
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 25, 2018 23:37:21 GMT -5
Willard a Norwalk hater I don't think so. Portwalk, Willard and I have had some good, very good conversation about Norwalk and Steve Gray and he does not hate but has an upright respect for the school, the team, and the players and fans of Norwalk and really a lot of respect for Steve. He just has NO RESPECT for you at all and I don't blame him.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 25, 2018 23:45:12 GMT -5
After the 4 Harraway and Thomas years Norwalk was back to normal.
2015 - Norwalk 4th, 5-7 in NOL. 2016 - Norwalk 4th, 6-6 in NOL. 2017 - Norwalk 7th, 3-9 in NOL.
Outside of the 4 Harraway and Thomas years it looks like you have to go back to 1960 to find a NOL title for Norwalk.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 26, 2018 7:27:08 GMT -5
I know Diebler had a long run vs Gray when his kids were ther 2002 to 2008... Here's the exact post how was I implying ANYTHING other than Diebler had a long run in the years above vs. Gray???
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 26, 2018 16:29:21 GMT -5
Then tell us, what was the reason and logic behind the post about Diebler?
EVERYONE who has followed NOL basketball, knows about Upper basketball and Diebler basketball.
Is 6 years a "long run"? That's how many years Diebler coached in the NOL against Gray. Diebler won 2 NOL Titles in those 6 years.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 26, 2018 21:37:56 GMT -5
Then tell us, what was the reason and logic behind the post about Diebler? EVERYONE who has followed NOL basketball, knows about Upper basketball and Diebler basketball. Is 6 years a "long run"? That's how many years Diebler coached in the NOL against Gray. Diebler won 2 NOL Titles in those 6 years. For a coach that has 400 wins to lose 14 straight to one coach over 6 years is the point I was making. Somehow this bothered you
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Post by portwalk on Jan 26, 2018 21:39:00 GMT -5
401 after tonight
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 26, 2018 22:27:16 GMT -5
Then tell us, what was the reason and logic behind the post about Diebler? EVERYONE who has followed NOL basketball, knows about Upper basketball and Diebler basketball. Is 6 years a "long run"? That's how many years Diebler coached in the NOL against Gray. Diebler won 2 NOL Titles in those 6 years. For a coach that has 400 wins to lose 14 straight to one coach over 6 years is the point I was making. Somehow this bothered you Doesn't bother me, just that it doesn't hold water. If Diebler wasn't in the NOL, Norwalk doesn't finish higher than 3rd place until Harraway and Thomas.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 27, 2018 13:49:50 GMT -5
For a coach that has 400 wins to lose 14 straight to one coach over 6 years is the point I was making. Somehow this bothered you Doesn't bother me, just that it doesn't hold water. If Diebler wasn't in the NOL, Norwalk doesn't finish higher than 3rd place until Harraway and Thomas. Not really concerned with where Norwalk finished in the NOL. League championships are goal one, and great however 2nd or 8th doesn’t really matter (insert Ricky Bobby quote) However advancing in the tournament is where it’s at. Ask Ontario how much the 2014 NOL title mattered as they laid an egg and then watched Norwalk’s rum to State Title???
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 14:20:12 GMT -5
If 400 was the TC game wouldn’t he be at 403 now?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 27, 2018 15:44:35 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me, just that it doesn't hold water. If Diebler wasn't in the NOL, Norwalk doesn't finish higher than 3rd place until Harraway and Thomas. Not really concerned with where Norwalk finished in the NOL. League championships are goal one, and great however 2nd or 8th doesn’t really matter (insert Ricky Bobby quote) However advancing in the tournament is where it’s at. Ask Ontario how much the 2014 NOL title mattered as they laid an egg and then watched Norwalk’s rum to State Title??? Going back to 1960, the only NOL titles Norwalk has is with Harraway and Thomas. Forget about asking "Ontario fans", ask TRUE fans. Ontario wasn't as good as Norwalk in their State Title year. Norwalk's only loss that year, that ended their long winning streak, was an upset. Norwalk had 2 players MUCH better than anyone on Ontario's team. They weren't going to get past Norwalk and probably not Perkins in the tournament. No one likes to lose, but that loss could have propelled them to the State Title. As Gray said, that loss made them work all the harder, so it wouldn't happen again that year. Upsets happen. How do you explain Ontario not winning an NCC Title, losing 5 games, yet making it to the State Finals? Upsets happen.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 27, 2018 18:29:15 GMT -5
I can answer the last ? Ontario was D3 that year
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Post by portwalk on Jan 27, 2018 21:21:28 GMT -5
402
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 27, 2018 22:43:59 GMT -5
I can answer the last ? Ontario was D3 that year DUH!!!.....because they didn't have too many more than 50 boys in a class then.... OF COURSE they were in DIII. How does being DIII explain not winning an NCC title that year?? How does being in DIII explain losing 5 games that year??? silly of you THANK YOU! Using your logic, now we all know why Norwalk won a State title, they were playing in DII, instead of DI. BTW one of THE largest schools in DII that year. Yet you think the smallest schools in a Division should win state titles as often as the biggest schools in a Division. More sillyness Upsets happen, ask Coach Gray.
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Post by portwalk on Feb 9, 2018 20:55:30 GMT -5
I can answer the last ? Ontario was D3 that year DUH!!!.....because they didn't have too many more than 50 boys in a class then.... OF COURSE they were in DIII. How does being DIII explain not winning an NCC title that year?? How does being in DIII explain losing 5 games that year??? silly of you THANK YOU! Using your logic, now we all know why Norwalk won a State title, they were playing in DII, instead of DI. BTW one of THE largest schools in DII that year. Yet you think the smallest schools in a Division should win state titles as often as the biggest schools in a Division. More sillyness Upsets happen, ask Coach Gray. Your really gonna dismiss Norwalk STATE title to the fact they were a big D2 school??? Yet Ontario has been a LARGE D3 for years with no titles and as D2 NO DISTRICT titles yet Norwalk in 2012 lost in regionals to the eventual D1 runnerup...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 9, 2018 22:31:12 GMT -5
NO dismissing, just using logic from The Portwalk Theorem. Norwalk made it to the State Finals once as a large DII and won. Ontario made it the State finals once as a large DIII and lost to Orrville in OT, who then won the Title game by 28. Most thought Orrville was the best team in all Divisions that year. Doesn't get much closer than that. When in DII Ontario has been one of the smallest schools. Norwalk has been one of the largest DIIs. Usually the largest schools in a Division have more success than the smallest schools in a Division in the Tournament. Ontario 7-1 vs Gray at Lexington Ontario 2-0 vs Gray at Colonel Crawford. Ontario 8-2 vs Gray at Norwalk Ontario didn't play against Gray or Norwalk before then. That's the furthest back the head to head goes. Which is the gold standard. That was too many years for you, you asked for this Century only. Ontario is 10-2 vs Gray this Century You wanted this Century because Norwalk made it to the State Finals this Century, Ontario made it to the State finals 5 years before this Century. This Century: Norwalk - 4 League Titles, 8 Sectional Titles, 2 District Titles, 1 District Runner Ups, 1 Regional Title, 1 State Title. Ontario - 14 League Titles, 11 Sectional Titles, 2 District Titles, 4 District Runner Ups. The further you go back the more success Ontario has had compared to Norwalk. In the last 10 years of the Century you don't want to talk about: In 90 24-1 Ontario lost in the Regional by 2 points to ASVSM. In 97 Ontario lost in Regional Finals by 2 points to eventual State Champion. In 00 Ontario lost in Regional in 2 OTs to the team that lost in the State Semis by 1 point. You should have quit when you were behind, you're further behind now.
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Post by portwalk on Feb 9, 2018 23:58:52 GMT -5
BLah blah blah...,..
Norwalk as small D1for 2 years in forever WON a district title Ontario as a small D2 for multiple years NO district tiles
Norwalk multiple years as a larger D2 a STATE Champion Ontario multiple years NO state championships
I’m out...
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