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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 11, 2018 22:35:57 GMT -5
Willard, What are the rules on this situation if a player scored his 1000 points. Should the scorekeeper have hit the buzzer right away to halt the play or what. I think also the MC coach should have let the Officials and Coach B. know before the game that they have a player approaching his 1000 pts. and they would stop the game for a brief ceremony not just walk out and grab the ball that is coming down the court on a play. I think for that he should have been given a T. What do you think. I don't know if there's a "1000 point ceremony rule". IMO, if a player scores his 1000th point. The "ceremony" should take place at the next dead ball or when his team has possession and can call time out or ask for a stoppage of play. It doesn't have to be at the instant the 1000 point is scored. Even if the officials are told the player's number and how many points he has to score to get 1000 points at the beginning of the game or quarter, how in the heck are officials going to remember who and how many, if they're doing their jobs? If it is important to have a ceremony immediately after 1000, his coach could call a time out when he is a 1 or 2 points shy, so he can then tell the officials what to look for.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 12, 2018 7:58:07 GMT -5
Willard, What are the rules on this situation if a player scored his 1000 points. Should the scorekeeper have hit the buzzer right away to halt the play or what. I think also the MC coach should have let the Officials and Coach B. know before the game that they have a player approaching his 1000 pts. and they would stop the game for a brief ceremony not just walk out and grab the ball that is coming down the court on a play. I think for that he should have been given a T. What do you think. I don't know if there's a "1000 point ceremony rule". IMO, if a player scores his 1000th point. The "ceremony" should take place at the next dead ball or when his team has possession and can call time out or ask for a stoppage of play. It doesn't have to be at the instant the 1000 point is scored. Even if the officials are told the player's number and how many points he has to score to get 1000 points at the beginning of the game or quarter, how in the heck are officials going to remember who and how many, if they're doing their jobs? If it is important to have a ceremony immediately after 1000, his coach could call a time out when he is a 1 or 2 points shy, so he can then tell the officials what to look for. Thank you Willard for enlighten me on this. I agree that there should have been some kind arrangement made from the start and that is MC coaches fault. He is the one that is in charge of his team and if he can't take time to let the officials know what will be happening he should take some kind of penalty. Yes I know, and I'm addressing this part to the other people that will reading this, he has other things he has to take care of, I was a coach myself and a AD for our CYO teams and I knew what was going on and needed to be done. Of course that was my training and what my college education taught me. That's my take on this subject and I hold true to it.
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Post by MansburgBuck on Feb 12, 2018 9:24:16 GMT -5
When the girl at Ontario was approaching the 1000 point mark, the coach informed the Officials and opposing coach before the game. All agreed that when the 1000th point was scored play would stop and the game ball would be presented to the player. Ironically her 1000th point came on a foul shot so the point was mute since it was a natural stoppage of play. The coaches and officials were all informed and in agreement before the game began.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 12, 2018 9:44:33 GMT -5
Buck, That is what I been saying all along MC's coach should of said something but I guess didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 10:09:03 GMT -5
When the girl at Ontario was approaching the 1000 point mark, the coach informed the Officials and opposing coach before the game. All agreed that when the 1000th point was scored play would stop and the game ball would be presented to the player. Ironically her 1000th point came on a foul shot so the point was mute since it was a natural stoppage of play. The coaches and officials were all informed and in agreement before the game began. There is no need to be in agreement. The home school has control in these cases. I've never seen anything printed from OHSAA on guidelines for this.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 12, 2018 10:40:55 GMT -5
When the girl at Ontario was approaching the 1000 point mark, the coach informed the Officials and opposing coach before the game. All agreed that when the 1000th point was scored play would stop and the game ball would be presented to the player. Ironically her 1000th point came on a foul shot so the point was mute since it was a natural stoppage of play. The coaches and officials were all informed and in agreement before the game began. There is no need to be in agreement. The home school has control in these cases. I've never seen anything printed from OHSAA on guidelines for this. I think what we are trying to get at is just being courteous to the ref's and opposing coaches so something like what happen at MC's place would not happen again. It's just an understanding. If I was a ref and a coach came out and grab the ball during play I would have T'ed him up for being on the playing field.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 12:33:46 GMT -5
There is no need to be in agreement. The home school has control in these cases. I've never seen anything printed from OHSAA on guidelines for this. I think what we are trying to get at is just being courteous to the ref's and opposing coaches so something like what happen at MC's place would not happen again. It's just an understanding. If I was a ref and a coach came out and grab the ball during play I would have T'ed him up for being on the playing field. Why is there an assumption both team's coaches did not know. So you are saying the MC coach walked on the floor during a live ball and grabbed the ball out of the hands of an Ontario player?
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Post by averagejoe on Feb 12, 2018 15:53:40 GMT -5
. Ontario quickly took the ball out of bounds in hopes of beating MC down the floor when the MC coach walks out on the floor takes the ball from an Ontario player and handed it to a MC player and the PA announcer tells everyone it was his 1000th point. There's a little ceremony, Ontario's momentum was halted and Joe was not happy. THEN the officials give a 30 second time out on their own, not charged to MC, so they can reorganize after the ceremony. LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIAR-LIARthe game was stopped by a ref and a ontario player passed the ball to the ref that stopped the game. I think it was tavion harris. the christian coach gave jared a ball they had been sitting at the scorers table. both teams and the refs knew about it before it happened. the ontario coach complained about the game stoppage so the refs forced christian to us one of their timeouts.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 12, 2018 21:32:00 GMT -5
LIAR, pants on fire. By the middle of the 4th quarter how is an official supposed to remember the uniform number of the player? By the middle of the 4th quarter how is an official supposed to know how many points was needed to score 1000? By the middle of the 4th quarter how is an official supposed to know that was the 1000 point?
LIAR, pants on fire. The game wasn't stopped until AFTER an Ontario player in bounded the ball to another player and that player was near mid-court.
LIAR pants on fire. If Balogh was told, he was NOT happy about how it was handled. Stopping play after Ontario had in bounded the ball and hurriedly headed down court, when Ontario was in the process of regaining momentum in a close game. Why not have an agreement if it isn't a close game to stop play the moment the 1000 point is scored.. If a close game, why not wait until first dead ball after 1000 or next possession of the team of the 1000 point score to call a time out, which won't count toward their allotment.
LIAR, pants on fire. Ontario didn't need a time out. The players on the floor were talking with coaches while the ceremony was going on, MC was the team that need to gather their thoughts after going through an emotional ceremony.
LIAR, pants on fire. After the ceremony was over the lead official faced the scorers tabled, extended both arms then patted the top of his head. A neophyte like you wouldn't know what that means.
LIAR LIAR pants on fire. NO ONE believes anything you say. Because you LIED when you made a post on here telling us an Ontario player had been kicked of the team. A HUGE LIE about a high school kid. NO ONE has been kicked off the Ontario team. You must apologize for your heinous LIE before you will be believed about anything you say.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 22:49:27 GMT -5
Don't get so worked up aj. Everyone knows the great wise one is full a poo and spins everything to favor his precious. I cannot imagine that all coaches, officials, score table and others were not aware of this before the game. I have witnessed similar displays and normally the coach will tell the officials next bucket or signal a close official when it happens and then they stop the game. Coach B is a quality guy who would surely support the recognition of a player for such an accomplishment. And Coach K would never walk onto the floor of a live game and take the ball from an opponents players hand. Those comments are ridiculous, as usual.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 12, 2018 23:34:11 GMT -5
By the middle of the 4th quarter how is an official supposed to remember the uniform number of the player? By the middle of the 4th quarter how is an official supposed to know how many points was needed to score 1000? Utilizing the basic memory capability of the human brain? Everyone's a little different, but being able to remember 2 seperate numbers over a 2 hour period doesn't sound like a huge task to overcome for the average person, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 0:08:10 GMT -5
Many officials are also basketball fans. So a local official could even know who the 3 to 4 year varsity player is without having to remember his number. Then it becomes even easier.
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Post by usa70pp on Feb 13, 2018 6:00:35 GMT -5
For an event of this nature, 1000th point, was there not anyone recording it on their smart phone? If so, that would give a better idea of what occurred.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 13, 2018 15:09:05 GMT -5
For an event of this nature, 1000th point, was there not anyone recording it on their smart phone? If so, that would give a better idea of what occurred. Good point USA, even if nobody was recording this on cell phone there is always the game films or whatever they are called now. Us old timers remember game films.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 15:24:35 GMT -5
Video doesn't lie but it's obvious that an Ontario fan does.
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Post by portwalk on Feb 14, 2018 15:33:23 GMT -5
Video doesn't lie but it's obvious that an Ontario fan does. True that
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 14, 2018 16:17:23 GMT -5
By the middle of the 4th quarter how is an official supposed to remember the uniform number of the player? By the middle of the 4th quarter how is an official supposed to know how many points was needed to score 1000? Utilizing the basic memory capability of the human brain? Everyone's a little different, but being able to remember 2 seperate numbers over a 2 hour period doesn't sound like a huge task to overcome for the average person, IMO. How about remembering when the 1000 point scorer gets his 1000th point in the 4th quarter?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 14, 2018 16:29:14 GMT -5
Don't get so worked up aj. Everyone knows the great wise one is full a poo and spins everything to favor his precious. I cannot imagine that all coaches, officials, score table and others were not aware of this before the game. I have witnessed similar displays and normally the coach will tell the officials next bucket or signal a close official when it happens and then they stop the game. Coach B is a quality guy who would surely support the recognition of a player for such an accomplishment. And Coach K would never walk onto the floor of a live game and take the ball from an opponents players hand. Those comments are ridiculous, as usual. Like the poo you spun about the near riot at the Lex/Wooster game last year. Like the poo you spun about what students from the Lex student section tried to get away with during a game in the Holiday Tournament last year. Your comments about both were ridiculous. You couldn't explain yourself, so you chickened out and stopped reading all posts. Quality Coach B was OBVIOUSLY not happy about the way it was handled. More poo spinning again, without first hand knowledge. You weren't at the game. Which makes your comments meaningless AGAIN!
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 14, 2018 22:08:05 GMT -5
Utilizing the basic memory capability of the human brain? Everyone's a little different, but being able to remember 2 seperate numbers over a 2 hour period doesn't sound like a huge task to overcome for the average person, IMO. How about remembering when the 1000 point scorer gets his 1000th point in the 4th quarter? Several possibilities... Actually counting it themselves (unlikely) Occasionally glancing at the part of the scoreboard that tracks individual points (if there is one) Being alerted by the scores table or coaching staff (or anyone else for that matter) when the threshold is getting close (preferably during a stoppage of play)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:13:12 GMT -5
How about remembering when the 1000 point scorer gets his 1000th point in the 4th quarter? Several possibilities... Actually counting it themselves (unlikely) Occasionally glancing at the part of the scoreboard that tracks individual points (if there is one) Being alerted by the scores table or coaching staff (or anyone else for that matter) when the threshold is getting close (preferably during a stoppage of play) Bingo!!!
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Post by averagejoe on Feb 15, 2018 9:29:43 GMT -5
A Christian player scored a basket, cutting the lead to 4. Ontario quickly took the ball out of bounds in hopes of beating MC down the floor 1. when the MC coach walks out on the floor 2. takes the ball from an Ontario player 3. and handed it to a MC player and the PA announcer tells everyone it was his 1000th point. There's a little ceremony, Ontario's momentum was halted and Joe was not happy. 4. THEN the officials give a 30 second time out on their own, not charged to MC,
ALL 4 are nothing but LIES. I WAS THERE and know guys on the floor.
1. NO MC coach ever walked on the floor during play 2. NO MC coach ever took a ball away from a ontario player 3. NO MC coach ever handed the game ball to the player who scored 1000 4. NO official gave anything. the ontario coach complained so the officials forced MC to use a timeout
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 0:41:42 GMT -5
LIAR. You LIED When you told us a high school player was kicked off a team. No high school player was kicked off a team. You been asked THREE times to correct your LIE and you have refused. NOTHING you say can be believed until you apologize about LYING about a high school player being kicked off a team.
LIES LIES LIES
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 12:03:50 GMT -5
A Christian player scored a basket, cutting the lead to 4. Ontario quickly took the ball out of bounds in hopes of beating MC down the floor 1. when the MC coach walks out on the floor 2. takes the ball from an Ontario player 3. and handed it to a MC player and the PA announcer tells everyone it was his 1000th point. There's a little ceremony, Ontario's momentum was halted and Joe was not happy. 4. THEN the officials give a 30 second time out on their own, not charged to MC,
ALL 4 are nothing but LIES. I WAS THERE and know guys on the floor.
1. NO MC coach ever walked on the floor during play 2. NO MC coach ever took a ball away from a ontario player 3. NO MC coach ever handed the game ball to the player who scored 1000 4. NO official gave anything. the ontario coach complained so the officials forced MC to use a timeoutThis is the bull that makes me love the BLOCKING feature.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 20, 2018 23:26:58 GMT -5
I agree, I don't believe anything someones says when he lies about players being kicked of a team and refuses to apologize for his obvious lie. However only chicken shats are afraid to read all posts.
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Post by averagejoe on Feb 24, 2018 7:14:01 GMT -5
You lied old man. NONE of what you claimed to happen ever was close. Ask the player why he is no longer a starter.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 24, 2018 19:41:47 GMT -5
You lied old man. NONE of what you claimed to happen ever was close. Ask the player why he is no longer a starter. Teenagers who lie about a player being kick off a team cam NEVER EVER be believed about anything in the future until they aplogise for their heinous lie.
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Post by averagejoe on Feb 28, 2018 14:27:19 GMT -5
no lies old man. ask the former mansfield kid who was kicked out of practice. mansfield kids make up almost half of the ontario team this year. open enrolling is treatin you good.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 6, 2018 0:11:01 GMT -5
You are a lying 14 year old. NO ONE got kicked off the team, as you told us. You're an ignorant 14 year old. There is HUGE difference between being "kicked out of practice" compared to being kicked off the team.(your LIE) Even Bobby Knight kicked players out of practice all of the time. Joe copies a lot of Knight's coaching techniques. The "former mansfield kid" you listen to can't be trusted either, apparently he's almost as untruthful as you. All we know is that IT IS YOUR story that has changed. Does he know you've told us he lied? He'll be the one to quit, due to a lack of playing time. Good riddance. JMHO
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Post by averagejoe on Mar 14, 2018 14:45:25 GMT -5
your ignorant because you didnt talk to anyone. the kid was told to get out and not comeback unless he has an attitude change. he was not told to come back tomorrow. the former mansfield kid is the kid and who give a crap about bobby knight as he could not be coaching today. you talking about quitting so you may already know of a few kids who may not be coming back. maybe you do talk to some of them.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 14, 2018 17:05:37 GMT -5
You're the "ignorant" one and a habitual liar. NO ONE WAS KICKED OFF THE TEAM!! I talk to players, parents, coaches and the AD. You talk to another liar from Mansfield.
You start out with an Ontario player was "kicked off the team". Then you try another LIE, "a player quit the team". Then you try "kicked out of practice". Now you try a FOURTH scenario. You told a FIFTH LIE when you said I said something about "come back tomorrow".
Don't be a dolt, Bobby Knight is one million times a better coach than your source's father is.
It will be a good thing, if "a few players may not be coming back". Especially your untruthful non team player source. If you were knowledgeable instead of making up shat, or listening to a bad source. You would know that there are 11 players on this year's varsity and JV teams, that will never see any playing time on the varsity, except at garbage time at the end of games. There are 9 Freshmen that are now or will be, better than all 11 of those players. They have 6 Sophomores and Freshmen right now that will be better than any Senior on the team next year.
The more you try to weasel your way out of your untruthful statements, the more you look Mansfield bad.
JMHO
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