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Post by sweathog on Feb 14, 2018 11:56:26 GMT -5
LEXINGTON, MADISON AND SENIOR GOING TO SBC!!! IS THIS TRUE??
IF SO, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD SHELBY GO TO MOAC???
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 14, 2018 12:19:12 GMT -5
No idea if it's true, but given the amount of changes that the SBC will likely have in the coming years, I hope this new conference member sign in Bellevue's gym consists of velcro backed panels that can easily be moved around or replaced:  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 12:20:37 GMT -5
Hopefully not. That'd be way too far to travel for everybody, for a league game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 15:21:29 GMT -5
BB, if you have been married before you know how much work it can be to stay happy.  (only mentioned since it is V day) Similar could be said for trying to keep 20+ schools happy. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 14, 2018 17:01:44 GMT -5
LEXINGTON, MADISON AND SENIOR GOING TO SBC!!! IS THIS TRUE?? IF SO, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD SHELBY GO TO MOAC??? Start with, Shelby isn't going to wait around for a long shot possibility. As of now the OCC plan is to hope for Clear Fork to come back with their tails between their legs, even though they won the football title and at the moment tied for basketball title in the MOAC. Secondly Shelby would not be in the same Divisions with those schools, they'd be in the Bay Division with several hour and a half drives. The reason they left |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:09:08 GMT -5
Hopefully not. That'd be way too far to travel for everybody, for a league game. It would not be out of the question if some or all of the teams mentioned above were to join the divisions would then be based on location and not only enrollment size. This would also set up a steady division for all sports without the need to change for football. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 15, 2018 4:16:13 GMT -5
Hopefully not. That'd be way too far to travel for everybody, for a league game. It would not be out of the question if some or all of the teams mentioned above were to join the divisions would then be based on location and not only enrollment size. This would also set up a steady division for all sports without the need to change for football. Dude, I just got done checking the project enrollment for 2018 Mansfield Sr., Madison and Lex are in D-3 with everybody in the Lake except Bellevue, and they are D-4. So like I stated in another threat the closest SBC Lake member school will be Norwalk so those 3 schools are better off to stay in the OCC or trying to form another conference close to them I feel. I hope they can work something out but I don't think that most of the Lake teams would want them in the conference for the reasons that Markmay gave. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 15, 2018 4:24:18 GMT -5
No idea if it's true, but given the amount of changes that the SBC will likely have in the coming years, I hope this new conference member sign in Bellevue's gym consists of velcro backed panels that can easily be moved around or replaced: BB, don't worry. It looks like those panels slide out separately which is smart with the possibly of some of the schools moving back and forth between divisions. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 5:01:14 GMT -5
It would not be out of the question if some or all of the teams mentioned above were to join the divisions would then be based on location and not only enrollment size. This would also set up a steady division for all sports without the need to change for football. Dude, I just got done checking the project enrollment for 2018 Mansfield Sr., Madison and Lex are in D-3 with everybody in the Lake except Bellevue, and they are D-4. So like I stated in another threat the closest SBC Lake member school will be Norwalk so those 3 schools are better off to stay in the OCC or trying to form another conference close to them I feel. I hope they can work something out but I don't think that most of the Lake teams would want them in the conference for the reasons that Markmay gave. Your enrollment check may be correct but have little relevance. The SBC wants to expand and get to 8 teams a division. List the schools they can do that with and stay within a 30 minute drive for everyone. You say the those 3 schools need to stay in the OCC or a conference close to them, please list their options. |
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 15, 2018 6:59:42 GMT -5
A lot questions need answered with a Mansfield-expansion. If Senior, Madison and Lex were to join that would bump Bellevue to the Bay. Not sure the Bay would be thrilled about that idea. That move may also crack the door for the Fremont discussion to start back up, although Mansfield teams would get accepted before them based primarily on enrollment alone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 7:43:04 GMT -5
The other wrinkle could be Shelby. With Buckeye Valley looking to make a move the MOAC is down to 7 schools. If the 3 Mansfield area schools get involved, does Shelby think of returning if divisions are based on location first and then enrollment? Could you include Ashland? With the Route 250 it would be easy trip for most. Now you are talking 4 new teams with options of setting up divisions North/South or enrollment. My guess is if enrollment only is used then some would have the same feelings as Shelby. With all this talk(and that is all it is right now), we can keep in mind that Mansfield and Lexington's enrollment look to be on the decline.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Feb 15, 2018 8:06:58 GMT -5
Lexington's enrollment should stabilize or edge back up in the future. I have always liked the idea of Lex going to the NOL if would have ever happened. So I would not be opposed joining the SBC especially if Shelby, Madison, Senior, And Ashland are involved.
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Post by sweathog on Feb 15, 2018 10:09:34 GMT -5
THE SBC CLASS THAT SHELBY IS IN NOW WAS FINE FOR ALL SPORTS,BOYS AND GIRLS, BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, BUT NOT FOOTBALL!!!
THE ONLY REASON THEY GOT OUT IS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL, THEY HAD TO TRAVEL FOR A FEW OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE IN OTHER DIVISION FOR FOOTBALL!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 11:23:47 GMT -5
Changing divisions during seasons makes very little sense. I know why they did it since some schools did not have football but reorganizing the ones that do can create problems.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 15, 2018 17:55:38 GMT -5
I don't know about this but maybe if Shelby comes back into the fold than maybe we can work out something like such as the Lake stays as is and then add Shelby, Mansfield Sr., Malabar, Lexington and Ashland could form a new district and maybe call it the Inland District and then the Lake and the Inland would play cross over games. I know we need another team for the Inland to be even at 6 a piece someone can find a school for that, I done my part. Lets hear from everyone on this and give any ideas on why or why not this could work. Open for discussions.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 18:09:44 GMT -5
I don't know about this but maybe if Shelby comes back into the fold than maybe we can work out something like such as the Lake stays as is and then add Shelby, Mansfield Sr., Malabar, Lexington and Ashland could form a new district and maybe call it the Inland District and then the Lake and the Inland would play cross over games. I know we need another team for the Inland to be even at 6 a piece someone can find a school for that, I done my part. Lets hear from everyone on this and give any ideas on why or why not this could work. Open for discussions. Your Part??? You do know that Malabar has not been a high school since 1990 when it merged with Mansfield Sr. WOW, come on dfa, get out a little.  |
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 15, 2018 18:22:38 GMT -5
I don't know about this but maybe if Shelby comes back into the fold than maybe we can work out something like such as the Lake stays as is and then add Shelby, Mansfield Sr., Malabar, Lexington and Ashland could form a new district and maybe call it the Inland District and then the Lake and the Inland would play cross over games. I know we need another team for the Inland to be even at 6 a piece someone can find a school for that, I done my part. Lets hear from everyone on this and give any ideas on why or why not this could work. Open for discussions. Your Part??? You do know that Malabar has not been a high school since 1990 when it merged with Mansfield Sr. WOW, come on dfa, get out a little. Sorry about that Dude, I don't know what I been thinking at the time but I meant to say Madison. I'm still sick and haven't been out of the house for a week now and usually I start to get cabin fever weather I'm sick or not because I hate winter and the blessed cold. Give me 90 degrees and humid weather anytime and before anybody say's why don't I move down to Florida, my wife does not want to leave the area so like our marriage vowels say's for better or for worst. Believe me this is the worst part. I HATE WINTER!!!!!  |
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 15, 2018 18:25:47 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 1:16:09 GMT -5
THE SBC CLASS THAT SHELBY IS IN NOW WAS FINE FOR ALL SPORTS,BOYS AND GIRLS, BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, BUT NOT FOOTBALL!!! THE ONLY REASON THEY GOT OUT IS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL, THEY HAD TO TRAVEL FOR A FEW OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE IN OTHER DIVISION FOR FOOTBALL! The main reason Shelby got out of the SBC was due to many 1 1/2 hour drives. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 1:20:36 GMT -5
Changing divisions during seasons makes very little sense. I know why they did it since some schools did not have football but reorganizing the ones that do can create problems. The other reason Shelby got out. They were made to play in one Division for football and another Division for basketball. Which is nonsense, can't build rivalries that way. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 1:42:47 GMT -5
SIZE
For football and basketball
Larger - Sandusky, Clyde, Perkins, TC, Norwalk, Mansfield Senior, Madison, Lexington
Smaller - Bellevue, Vermilion, PC, OH, Edison, Huron, Willard, Margaretta
I can think of a half dozen schools that wouldn't be happy with this
LOCATION
For football and basketball
South - Mansfield Senior, Madison, Lexington, Willard, Norwalk, Edison, Bellevue, TC
North - OH, PC, Sandusky, Perkins, Huron, Vermilion, Clyde, Margaretta
This would cause the SBC to emplode.
Shelby is not needed for either scenario.
With 8 each in the top 2 Divisions and the 3 additions to the River. The River will have 9 for basketball and 7 for football, they will no longer need each other. The River leaves.
For that matter with however you want to divide the top 16 into 2 of 8. They could become Leagues instead of divisions. The 3 divisions of the SBC becomes a moot point.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 16, 2018 9:26:04 GMT -5
Changing divisions during seasons makes very little sense. I know why they did it since some schools did not have football but reorganizing the ones that do can create problems. The SBC had to figure out which made the least sense: Having a small number of schools change divisions for just one sport (or) Having a division that only had 4 football teams in it. Just 4. FOUR. As in 3 league games and freaking SEVEN non-conference games. Meanwhile, the other 2 divisions would be blessed with the lovely scheduling woes that go with having an odd number of teams. |
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Post by sweathog on Feb 16, 2018 9:37:45 GMT -5
THE SBC CLASS THAT SHELBY IS IN NOW WAS FINE FOR ALL SPORTS,BOYS AND GIRLS, BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, BUT NOT FOOTBALL!!! THE ONLY REASON THEY GOT OUT IS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL, THEY HAD TO TRAVEL FOR A FEW OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE IN OTHER DIVISION FOR FOOTBALL! The main reason Shelby got out of the SBC was due to many 1 1/2 hour drives. The drives they have now is no longer than it was in NOL!! RIVALRIES, there is now, have you look at the gyms, they couldn't even fill the seats at the football games!!! You would rather have a short drive and play teams that are not competitive, your teams gets better doing that for sure!!!! Now I heard a school that was to be in MOAC is all ready going to leave. Buckeye Valley!!! Yes, MOAC is a great league to be going to!!! LOL !!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 10:37:34 GMT -5
Changing divisions during seasons makes very little sense. I know why they did it since some schools did not have football but reorganizing the ones that do can create problems. The SBC had to figure out which made the least sense: Having a small number of schools change divisions for just one sport (or) Having a division that only had 4 football teams in it. Just 4. FOUR. As in 3 league games and freaking SEVEN non-conference games. Meanwhile, the other 2 divisions would be blessed with the lovely scheduling woes that go with having an odd number of teams. It's obvious what made the least amount of sense because they are tying hard to change it. Crossover games could have been a short term answer since everyone needed games and knowing they were going to try and add teams immediately. The reasoning has been explained before but it doesn't change the fact that it will not work in keeping schools happy. Plus it looks like it would have been for 1 season with the addition of Dan, Gib this year and HL next. All moot at this point but IMO the changing divisions was a bad solution to a bad problem. |
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 16, 2018 10:59:21 GMT -5
With three (at the time) schools not having football you had to shuffle the football divisions to keep things balanced. Willard, Margaretta and Shelby had no problem playing those schools. The drives were more about the fans and exaggerated for 3 away football games. THREE.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 12:01:43 GMT -5
If Shelby had no problem with the setup and the drive they would still be in the SBC after this year.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 16, 2018 13:11:22 GMT -5
Shelby always knew they would seek a better option when that time came. At the time, it was the best option for them (vs OCC).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 13:28:50 GMT -5
Shelby always knew they would seek a better option when that time came. At the time, it was the best option for them (vs OCC). It was their only option. The OCC did not vote to accept them. |
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Post by sweathog on Feb 16, 2018 13:43:19 GMT -5
The SBC was and is a better choice than MOAC!!
Yes I thought the OCC was better than SBC at that time and still think it was.
Rivalries, there is none anymore.
Playing all sports in one division and only football in the other, who cares!!!
The only reason they dumped the SBC is because of football, so they will screw the rest of the sports because of that!!!
They will go to a much weaker league MOAC, makes scene to me!! LOL!!!
MOAC was not their best option!!!!
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 16, 2018 13:56:37 GMT -5
Willard, Your idea on the big and small looks good the only thing that I see wrong with that is I don't think that Bellevue would want to go to the small, even they are a D-4 in football like the rest of the small, but they would rather play with the big boys and get in the playoffs with big wins. Bellevue is not afraid of the big boys. In the North style PC, OH, Vermilion, and Margaretta would not want to play Sandusky, Perkins, and Clyde for the reason they were tired of getting beat by Clyde and Perkins. And Edison or Willard would not want in the south because of Mansfield Sr., Madison, Lexington, Bellevue and TC. So that is why I said have the Lake stay as is and have Mansfield Sr. Madison, Lexington, Ashland and have Shelby come in, I bet they would love that better, and maybe try either Galion or Marion Harding come over. I read on here, different post, that someone said that Galion is growing again. I think that would be better for the league and in the Bay since they would be short have Margaretta and Willard move up. And try to have maybe Firelands come in and that would make the league look like this. LAKE-6 teams, Inland-6 teams, Bay- 8 teams, and River- 8 teams with Danbury, Gibsonburg, and Hopewell-Loudon coming in the river. I think that would be better for everyone and make them happy. Also the Lake and Inland can have crossover games for 2 weeks and the Bay and River can go right into league play on the 4th. week. |
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