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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 15:11:28 GMT -5
The main reason Shelby got out of the SBC was due to many 1 1/2 hour drives. The drives they have now is no longer than it was in NOL!! RIVALRIES, there is now, have you look at the gyms, they couldn't even fill the seats at the football games!!! You would rather have a short drive and play teams that are not competitive, your teams gets better doing that for sure!!!! Now I heard a school that was to be in MOAC is all ready going to leave. Buckeye Valley!!! Yes, MOAC is a great league to be going to!!! LOL !!! Geography is not a strong suit of yours. If not lazy you could use map quest. In the NOL Shelby's longest trip was to Sandusky 1 hr, next longest was TC 53 minutes In the SBC - Oak Harbor 1 hr 28 minutes, Port Clinton 1 hr 17 min, Vermilion 1 hr 7 minutes, Huron 58 minutes MOAC - Shelby's longest trip is to Buckeye Valley 1 hr 4 minutes. All others are 50 minutes or less Your lack of intellect is showing when you say "a school that was to be in the MOAC is already going to leave." Buckeye Valley HAS BEEN in the MOAC for 28 years. Your last sentence is the only accurate one in your post. ROLF!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 15:13:38 GMT -5
Shelby was fine in the NOL. Shelby was trying to join the OCC. This venture would be the best options of both of them. There should be very little doubt they would be interested in listening to more about that move.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 15:28:41 GMT -5
More untruths.
The FACTS.
Shelby "tried" to get in the OCC, but was voted down. That was before Mt Vernon, now the largest school in the OCC was a member and would be the furthest trip now. Mr Vernon would have also voted against Shelby. The OCC now has FOUR DI schools. With Senior being in DII for the first time ever.
With Senior, Madison and Lex in the SBC, Shelby would have to choose between being the smallest school in a Division OR a Division with trips of 1 hr 28 min, 1 hr 17 min, 1 hour 4 min and 58 min. Their longest trip in the MOAC would be 6 minutes longer than the shortest of those long trips and they will be a middle sized school.
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Post by ohioraised on Feb 16, 2018 16:48:44 GMT -5
More untruths. The FACTS. Shelby "tried" to get in the OCC, but was voted down. That was before Mt Vernon, now the largest school in the OCC was a member and would be the furthest trip now. Mr Vernon would have also voted against Shelby. The OCC now has FOUR DI schools. With Senior being in DII for the first time ever. With Senior, Madison and Lex in the SBC, Shelby would have to chose between being the smallest school in a Division OR a Division with trips of 1 hr 28 min, 1 hr 17 min, 1 hour 4 min and 58 min. Their longest trip in the MOAC would be 6 minutes longer than the shortest of those long trips and they would be a middle sized school. Shelby was going to be the Clear Fork replacement. Mt Vernon was already in and supported Shelby joining.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 16, 2018 16:50:34 GMT -5
And they get to play Ontario, Galion, and Clear Fork. All schools they have a history with. Not a Bellevue/Willard type history, but a history. They’ll have OOC games for those traditional rivals.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 21:51:21 GMT -5
More untruths. The FACTS. Shelby "tried" to get in the OCC, but was voted down. That was before Mt Vernon, now the largest school in the OCC was a member and would be the furthest trip now. Mr Vernon would have also voted against Shelby. The OCC now has FOUR DI schools. With Senior being in DII for the first time ever. With Senior, Madison and Lex in the SBC, Shelby would have to chose between being the smallest school in a Division OR a Division with trips of 1 hr 28 min, 1 hr 17 min, 1 hour 4 min and 58 min. Their longest trip in the MOAC would be 6 minutes longer than the shortest of those long trips and they would be a middle sized school. Shelby was going to be the Clear Fork replacement. Mt Vernon was already in and supported Shelby joining. Shelby considered the OCC when the NOL was coming apart, before joining the SBC. Mt Vernon wasn't in the OCC then. When Shelby joined the SBC they told them they might not be in long, if something better came along. Something better DID come along. Shelby thought the MOAC was better for them than the OCC. OR did the OCC vote Shelby down a second time?? If the OCC voted them down twice don't look for them to be put down a third time.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 22:04:53 GMT -5
And they get to play Ontario, Galion, and Clear Fork. All schools they have a history with. Not a Bellevue/Willard type history, but a history. They’ll have OOC games for those traditional rivals. Shelby has played Galion 121 times, Ontario 57 times since 1968, Clear Fork 27 times.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 16, 2018 22:10:20 GMT -5
In the NOL Shelby's longest trip was to Sandusky 1 hr, next longest was TC 53 minutes In the SBC - Oak Harbor 1 hr 28 minutes, Port Clinton 1 hr 17 min, Vermilion 1 hr 7 minutes, Huron 58 minutes Though actually, the biggest change in their overall travel distance from the NOL to the SBC was not having to play the other 5 Bay schools in one sport....but rather replacing Willard and Ontario with Perkins and Clyde in all the other sports.
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Post by sportsvideo on Feb 17, 2018 8:11:53 GMT -5
i dont see this happening at all... if the SBC is going to expand it needs to start looking more toward oak harbor area (genoa, eastwood ect) i dont know too many prinicpals from up here that are going to be OK with traveling an hour, hour and a half south on a school night...
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Post by ohioraised on Feb 17, 2018 12:22:20 GMT -5
Shelby was going to be the Clear Fork replacement. Mt Vernon was already in and supported Shelby joining. Shelby considered the OCC when the NOL was coming apart, before joining the SBC. Mt Vernon wan't in the OCC then. When Shelby joined the SBC they told them they might not be in long, if something better came along. Something better DID come along. Shelby thought the MOAC was better for them than the OCC. OR did the OCC vote Shelby done a second time?? If the OCC voted them down twice don't look for them to be put down a third time. Mt Vernon was a voted in the OCC in 2015. Shelby made the choice for the SBC in 2016.
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Post by sweathog on Feb 17, 2018 13:07:21 GMT -5
The drives they have now is no longer than it was in NOL!! RIVALRIES, there is now, have you look at the gyms, they couldn't even fill the seats at the football games!!! You would rather have a short drive and play teams that are not competitive, your teams gets better doing that for sure!!!! Now I heard a school that was to be in MOAC is all ready going to leave. Buckeye Valley!!! Yes, MOAC is a great league to be going to!!! LOL !!! Geography is not a strong suit of yours. If not lazy you could use map quest. In the NOL Shelby's longest trip was to Sandusky 1 hr, next longest was TC 53 minutes In the SBC - Oak Harbor 1 hr 28 minutes, Port Clinton 1 hr 17 min, Vermilion 1 hr 7 minutes, Huron 58 minutes MOAC - Shelby's longest trip is to Buckeye Valley 1 hr 4 minutes. All others are 50 minutes or less Your lack of intellect is showing when you say "a school that was to be in the MOAC is already going to leave." Buckeye Valley HAS BEEN in the MOAC for 28 years. Your last sentence is the only accurate one in your post. ROLF!!! WELL SIR, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN TO READ BETTER!! THE SCHOOLS YOU MENTION, OAK HARBOR, PORT CLINTON ,VERMILLION ARE ONLY SCHOOLS IN FOOTBALL DIVISION!!! HOW MANY TIMES WILL THEY HAVE TO GO THERE EACH YEAR, EVERY OTHER IF YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT ON YOUR OWN!! I SAID THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY GOT OUT IS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL!!! BASEBALL, BASKETBALL AND ALL OTHER SPORTS FOR GIRLS AND BOYS THEY DIDNT HAVE TO TRAVEL ANY FURTHER THAN WHEN IN NOL!! BUCKEYE VALLEY, I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN IN MOAC, BUT I BELIEVE THEY LEAVING SOON!!!
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 17, 2018 15:58:36 GMT -5
Geography is not a strong suit of yours. If not lazy you could use map quest. In the NOL Shelby's longest trip was to Sandusky 1 hr, next longest was TC 53 minutes In the SBC - Oak Harbor 1 hr 28 minutes, Port Clinton 1 hr 17 min, Vermilion 1 hr 7 minutes, Huron 58 minutes MOAC - Shelby's longest trip is to Buckeye Valley 1 hr 4 minutes. All others are 50 minutes or less Your lack of intellect is showing when you say "a school that was to be in the MOAC is already going to leave." Buckeye Valley HAS BEEN in the MOAC for 28 years. Your last sentence is the only accurate one in your post. ROLF!!! WELL SIR, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN TO READ BETTER!! THE SCHOOLS YOU MENTION, OAK HARBOR, PORT CLINTON ,VERMILLION ARE ONLY SCHOOLS IN FOOTBALL DIVISION!!! HOW MANY TIMES WILL THEY HAVE TO GO THERE EACH YEAR, EVERY OTHER IF YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT ON YOUR OWN!! I SAID THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY GOT OUT IS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL!!! BASEBALL, BASKETBALL AND ALL OTHER SPORTS FOR GIRLS AND BOYS THEY DIDNT HAVE TO TRAVEL ANY FURTHER THAN WHEN IN NOL!! BUCKEYE VALLEY, I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN IN MOAC, BUT I BELIEVE THEY LEAVING SOON!!! Not entirely true. As BB mentioned Shelby would be driving to Clyde and Perkins for all other sports which are both farther away than Willard (new SBC drives versus old NOL drives).
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 17, 2018 16:27:35 GMT -5
Young man, my reading skills far exceed your writing skills, geography knowledge and why Shelby left the SBC.
The long drives in football is one of their reasons for leaving. You would be wrong when saying "THE ONLY REASON THEY GOT OUT IS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL!!!" If you were knowledgeable you would know the others
You really should stop bloviating and do some research. You're making yourself look BAD with uneducated guesses. The average trip for the other sports in the OTHER division Shelby was MADE to play in is 52 miles. The average trip to the MOAC schools minus Buckeye Valley, since you assure us they're getting out is 37 miles. 15 miles on average for the other 13 sports, middle school, Freshman, JV and Varsity. Is a large number.
Since you knew Buckeye Valley "has been" in the MOAC, then your lack of writing skills said differently when you wrote. "was to be in". Allow me, by 5th grade English, means they aren't in now, were going to be in, but now won't be in.
Are you aware that using all caps is considered yelling and rude.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 17:26:21 GMT -5
It would not be out of the question if some or all of the teams mentioned above were to join the divisions would then be based on location and not only enrollment size. This would also set up a steady division for all sports without the need to change for football. Dude, I just got done checking the project enrollment for 2018 Mansfield Sr., Madison and Lex are in D-3 with everybody in the Lake except Bellevue, and they are D-4. So like I stated in another threat the closest SBC Lake member school will be Norwalk so those 3 schools are better off to stay in the OCC or trying to form another conference close to them I feel. I hope they can work something out but I don't think that most of the Lake teams would want them in the conference for the reasons that Markmay gave. you have no idea. Trust me, there is heavy consideration being given to the Madison move. Also, understand this, they want 8 a piece. Fremont would be a last and I mean last resort as many schools don't want them. The little guys in the league know if they keep adding little guy teams then some of them will have to move up to the Bay. They don't want to do that, they wanna stick in the pee wee part of the league.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 17:28:47 GMT -5
THE SBC CLASS THAT SHELBY IS IN NOW WAS FINE FOR ALL SPORTS,BOYS AND GIRLS, BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, BUT NOT FOOTBALL!!! THE ONLY REASON THEY GOT OUT IS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL, THEY HAD TO TRAVEL FOR A FEW OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE IN OTHER DIVISION FOR FOOTBALL! stick to Mr. Kotter's class. Shelby chose to play in the Bay for football. Even with their once in a lifetime team, they wanted to play in the Bay. They coulda played in the Lake for all sports but didn't want to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 17:34:27 GMT -5
i dont see this happening at all... if the SBC is going to expand it needs to start looking more toward oak harbor area (genoa, eastwood ect) i dont know too many prinicpals from up here that are going to be OK with traveling an hour, hour and a half south on a school night... wrong, the river doesn't want to add move small teams because someone like Lakota or Margaretta will have to bump up and they don't want to, especially in football. Also, the Bay teams don't want to get pushed into the Lake because the whole reason they wanted this league was to not play perkins, clyde if they didn't have to. Heck most of them will only schedule norwalk in football because Norwalk is a creampuff in football. the bay and river will jump on bigger schools to keep the status quo for them. Lex and Madison would be good additions. Senior, not sure what their interest is.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 17, 2018 22:49:01 GMT -5
I heard the SBC were considering a couple of "small schools" form the N-10.
If Bellevue wants to stay in the Lake Division, then who do you put in the Bay? Perkins, Clyde, Lexington? Whoever it's going to be, will upset most all schools in the Bay Division. They were promised they'd no longer have to play schools that size when the NEW SBC was created.
Inland Division? Another Division?? I thought the purpose of expansion was to get to 3 Divisions with 8 schools. Not 4 Divisions of 6 schools. OR keep the River as it is, then 2 Divisions with 6 and one divisions of 5???
Senior is now smaller than Madison and Madison is a little father to the East. OR was your reasoning due to demographics?
BTW if Lexington joins the SBC that will be the last CC, Track, Tennis, Swimming, Golf, and Volleyball Titles anyone in the Lake Division wins.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:18:29 GMT -5
New thought, add Mansfield, Madison, Lexington and Ashland to make a 10team division and everyone plays each other once for league games. It works for the WBL.
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Post by sportsvideo on Feb 18, 2018 8:41:40 GMT -5
i dont see this happening at all... if the SBC is going to expand it needs to start looking more toward oak harbor area (genoa, eastwood ect) i dont know too many prinicpals from up here that are going to be OK with traveling an hour, hour and a half south on a school night... wrong, the river doesn't want to add move small teams because someone like Lakota or Margaretta will have to bump up and they don't want to, especially in football. Also, the Bay teams don't want to get pushed into the Lake because the whole reason they wanted this league was to not play perkins, clyde if they didn't have to. Heck most of them will only schedule norwalk in football because Norwalk is a creampuff in football. the bay and river will jump on bigger schools to keep the status quo for them. Lex and Madison would be good additions. Senior, not sure what their interest is. do it, and you'll see a few leave in a heartbeat oak harbor for instance would not be willing to drive to mansfield for a game. edison likely would not want madison on the schedule .. you'd put all three in the lake? then who would move down? norwalk would probably be the acceptable, if they'd be in favor of it..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 9:08:28 GMT -5
do it, and you'll see a few leave in a heartbeat oak harbor for instance would not be willing to drive to mansfield for a game. edison likely would not want madison on the schedule .. you'd put all three in the lake? then who would move down? norwalk would probably be the acceptable, if they'd be in favor of it.. Who would be asking OH to drive to Mansfield. This is not being discussed. The only way this can work long term is to set up divisions primarily based on location with enrollment as a factor. Dividing soling on enrollment will not work IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 10:21:31 GMT -5
wrong, the river doesn't want to add move small teams because someone like Lakota or Margaretta will have to bump up and they don't want to, especially in football. Also, the Bay teams don't want to get pushed into the Lake because the whole reason they wanted this league was to not play perkins, clyde if they didn't have to. Heck most of them will only schedule norwalk in football because Norwalk is a creampuff in football. the bay and river will jump on bigger schools to keep the status quo for them. Lex and Madison would be good additions. Senior, not sure what their interest is. do it, and you'll see a few leave in a heartbeat oak harbor for instance would not be willing to drive to mansfield for a game. edison likely would not want madison on the schedule .. you'd put all three in the lake? then who would move down? norwalk would probably be the acceptable, if they'd be in favor of it.. stick to video taping. Madison, Senior and Lex would go to the Lake. Oak Harbor can duck playing them like they do everyone else in football and basketball. Bellevue would be the team to move to the Bay based on enrollment, with Perkins a close 2nd.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 18, 2018 10:23:50 GMT -5
do it, and you'll see a few leave in a heartbeat oak harbor for instance would not be willing to drive to mansfield for a game. edison likely would not want madison on the schedule .. you'd put all three in the lake? then who would move down? norwalk would probably be the acceptable, if they'd be in favor of it.. stick to video taping. Madison, Senior and Lex would go to the Lake. Oak Harbor can duck playing them like they do everyone else in football and basketball. Bellevue would be the team to move to the Bay based on enrollment, with Perkins a close 2nd. What would the Bay schools think about having Bellevue and possibly Perkins in their division? Not excited IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 10:29:25 GMT -5
I heard the SBC were considering a couple of "small schools" form the N-10. If Bellevue wants to stay in the Lake Division, then who do you put in the Bay? Perkins, Clyde, Lexington? Whoever it's going to be, will upset most all schools in the Bay Division. They were promised they'd no longer have to play schools that size when the NEW SBC was created. Inland Division? Another Division?? I thought the purpose of expansion was to get to 3 Divisions with 8 schools. Not 4 Divisions of 6 schools. OR keep the River as it is, then 2 Divisions with 6 and one divisions of 5??? Senior is now smaller than Madison and Madison is a little father to the East. OR was your reasoning due to demographics? BTW if Lexington joins the SBC that will be the last CC, Track, Tennis, Swimming, Golf, and Volleyball Titles anyone in the Lake Division wins. no one said Bellevue has to stay in the Lake. They would be very small in the Lake with the addition of those other teams. Norwalk is pretty good at volleyball too btw. Norwalk also has a solid tennis program. so they might compete with country club lexington. I agree about the Bay being upset. They are soft because they don't want to play competitive teams unless its on their terms. However, at some point they will have to give to keep this giant mess of a league afloat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 10:32:57 GMT -5
stick to video taping. Madison, Senior and Lex would go to the Lake. Oak Harbor can duck playing them like they do everyone else in football and basketball. Bellevue would be the team to move to the Bay based on enrollment, with Perkins a close 2nd. What would the Bay schools think about having Bellevue and possibly Perkins in their division? Not excited IMO. which is funny because they have to play at least Bellevue in state tournaments because they are the only D4 team in the Lake in football, d2 basketball. So what would be the difference playing them in the regular season??? I think if Perkins didn't have open enrollment they would be close to being d4 in football
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 18, 2018 13:27:12 GMT -5
I heard the SBC were considering a couple of "small schools" form the N-10. If Bellevue wants to stay in the Lake Division, then who do you put in the Bay? Perkins, Clyde, Lexington? Whoever it's going to be, will upset most all schools in the Bay Division. They were promised they'd no longer have to play schools that size when the NEW SBC was created. Inland Division? Another Division?? I thought the purpose of expansion was to get to 3 Divisions with 8 schools. Not 4 Divisions of 6 schools. OR keep the River as it is, then 2 Divisions with 6 and one divisions of 5??? Senior is now smaller than Madison and Madison is a little father to the East. OR was your reasoning due to demographics? BTW if Lexington joins the SBC that will be the last CC, Track, Tennis, Swimming, Golf, and Volleyball Titles anyone in the Lake Division wins. no one said Bellevue has to stay in the Lake. They would be very small in the Lake with the addition of those other teams. Norwalk is pretty good at volleyball too btw. Norwalk also has a solid tennis program. so they might compete with country club lexington. I agree about the Bay being upset. They are soft because they don't want to play competitive teams unless its on their terms. However, at some point they will have to give to keep this giant mess of a league afloat. One has to be more than "pretty good" at Volleyball. How many State Titles in Tennis...10?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 18, 2018 13:35:59 GMT -5
wrong, the river doesn't want to add move small teams because someone like Lakota or Margaretta will have to bump up and they don't want to, especially in football. Also, the Bay teams don't want to get pushed into the Lake because the whole reason they wanted this league was to not play perkins, clyde if they didn't have to. Heck most of them will only schedule norwalk in football because Norwalk is a creampuff in football. the bay and river will jump on bigger schools to keep the status quo for them. Lex and Madison would be good additions. Senior, not sure what their interest is. do it, and you'll see a few leave in a heartbeat oak harbor for instance would not be willing to drive to mansfield for a game. edison likely would not want madison on the schedule .. you'd put all three in the lake? then who would move down? norwalk would probably be the acceptable, if they'd be in favor of it.. Norwalk needs to stay with the Mansfield area teams, they're the closest geographically of the Lake schools
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 18, 2018 13:38:00 GMT -5
do it, and you'll see a few leave in a heartbeat oak harbor for instance would not be willing to drive to mansfield for a game. edison likely would not want madison on the schedule .. you'd put all three in the lake? then who would move down? norwalk would probably be the acceptable, if they'd be in favor of it.. stick to video taping. Madison, Senior and Lex would go to the Lake. Oak Harbor can duck playing them like they do everyone else in football and basketball. Bellevue would be the team to move to the Bay based on enrollment, with Perkins a close 2nd. It doesn't matter who is moved to the Bay from the Lake, the vast majority in the Bay will not be happy. Several were promised in the beginning they'd never have to play them again.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 18, 2018 20:00:04 GMT -5
haywood, and I'm not going to finish of your punk name. Bellevue would never want to go down to the bay because they like the lake and getting those points for winning against big schools for the playoffs. Also there are 3 schools coming into the river division soon, very soon so either Margaretta, Willard, or if Lakota is bigger than Willard they will be bump up to the bay so you little boy better start getting your facts straight. And if you knew Norwalk they are really no longer consider a cream puff. Most people who know and watch them played knows if it wasn't for injuries the last 2 years they could have had a good winning seasons. Now you get your little foul mouth name out of here and never darken my post again till you learn to grow up little boy.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 18, 2018 20:15:59 GMT -5
New thought, add Mansfield, Madison, Lexington and Ashland to make a 10team division and everyone plays each other once for league games. It works for the WBL. Dude, I completely forgot on how the WBL is set up but that also is a good idea to consider from. I'm surprise myself on forgetting that considering on how I like Ottawa-Glandorf High and an old friend of the family, Dave Sweet, who came from Norwalk and coached O-G to their first State Championship in basketball. My dad not only taught him in Jr. Hi. but also coached him in basketball there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 21:52:18 GMT -5
New thought, add Mansfield, Madison, Lexington and Ashland to make a 10team division and everyone plays each other once for league games. It works for the WBL. Actually most of the conferences west of 75 only play each other once for league games. NWOAL only has 8 schools yet doesn’t do a round-robin.
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