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Post by sportsjock on Feb 21, 2018 8:30:01 GMT -5
There are schools who already have this program in place. The faculty members with the responsibility of carrying firearms are in total discretion and secrecy. None of the students know who they are. This is basically a local school district decision, that doesn't require an act of Congress. At Parkland the school has a multi-building campus, much like a small college campus. The security guard was unfortunately located in another building when the shooting commenced. I think it needs to be known that school district allows their employees to carry weapons. That fact would likely scare away the idea of shooting up a school. Personally I’m not sold that most teachers I’ve been around have it in them to shoot a person or have any business carrying a firearm in the first place I totally agree with you. The fact that unknown faculty members are designated as in-school security and are packing heat, will be a major deterrent. Mass shooters avoid venues that might provide resistance, they want soft targets and innocent victims to employ their diabolical scheme.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 21, 2018 10:21:44 GMT -5
A lot of you have come up with some very good idea's here. Maybe we should let certain teachers have a concealed weapons license and like our police have them retake firearms certification every year but there are other things that can help. There is a school in Indiana has automatic doors that lock when the alarm is sounded and they are bulletproof. A teacher has to carry with them this device that if trouble does happen they can push a button and trigger the alarm. They have cameras all over the place more than what is needed and someone in an office is watching just cameras at all time. Then if that is not enough they have smoke canisters dropped down from the hall ceilings. It is getting be that our schools are becoming a battleground instead of a learning institution. And what we need is a very tough firearms law.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 21, 2018 10:29:42 GMT -5
So for those that advocate school employees carrying firearms, I have some questions.
Where does the money come from to buy firearms for these teachers? And the ammunition? And the training? How are the trainers compensated? Where does this money come from? How much training is required? And what training? Crisis Response? Active Shooter Response? Close Quarter Combat Tactics? Target Recognition? Knowledge of how to coordinate with law enforcement response without getting in the way? Given most taxpayers won't give money to cover basic supplies, what makes you think they'll be willing to give money for all of this? How much ammunition is rationed to teachers? Can they bring in their own firearms/ammunition? How do we regulate their own firearms/ammunition? Where are the guns stored? How do we prevent children from getting them? If they're in a safe, doesn't that defeat the point? Couldn't that be a life-or-death delay to access them? If they're holstered, what if a teacher's clothing doesn't permit wearing a concealed holster? If they're holstered, what if a teacher doesn't want to open carry? If they're holstered and open carried, how does a teacher ensure that an angry student doesn't take that firearm? And let's not kid ourselves, students will figure out who's carrying. Are teachers allowed to shoot first? Or only after they hear gunfire? How do teachers know who the good guy is, and who the bad guy is? How do we ensure there's no friendly fire? What if the bad guy is surrounded by hostages? Are they expected to engage anyway? What happens if a student is in a hallway between two teachers' rooms? Who shoots? How do they avoid friendly crossfire? What if a perpetrator is only threatening to use a gun? What are the rules of engagement? What about a fight between students? Can teachers escalate? What if one of the students has a knife? Do janitors, administrators, guidance counsellors, etc. all get firearms? Who pays for the lawyer after an incident occurs? What if the firearm was a personal one and not a school-issued one? Is the teacher responsible for their own defense, or does their city/county/state have to pay to defend them?
As far as I'm concerned, and in my humble opinion, teachers are in schools to teach. If you want armed people in the schools, then hire them. An already trained police officer has to have roughly 144 hours of additional training to be a School Resource Officer. They also drill and train several times a year. That sounds more along the lines of military or advanced law enforcement training to me, as opposed to just another hat for our teachers to wear. Arming teachers feels like a shortcut. We hire trained professionals to protect our money, property, government buildings, and even our lawyers and politicians. It's time we do the same for our children. Sadly, I just bought a few rubber door stops from Lowes this weekend to place in my children's backpacks. That was a fun conversation to have with a Second grader. So believe me, I'm not attempting to trash ANY ideas that are offered, simply sharing my thoughts.
And last but not least, in remembering one of our fallen heroes here in Westerville, Officer Anthony Morelli, he was also a beloved school resource officer at Westerville North. He loved those kids and treated them like his own. So in reference to 'personal conviction and dedication to students', he was an exemplary example.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 10:35:46 GMT -5
So for those that advocate school employees carrying firearms, I have some questions. Where does the money come from to buy firearms for these teachers? And the ammunition? And the training? How are the trainers compensated? Where does this money come from? How much training is required? And what training? Crisis Response? Active Shooter Response? Close Quarter Combat Tactics? Target Recognition? Knowledge of how to coordinate with law enforcement response without getting in the way? Given most taxpayers won't give money to cover basic supplies, what makes you think they'll be willing to give money for all of this? How much ammunition is rationed to teachers? Can they bring in their own firearms/ammunition? How do we regulate their own firearms/ammunition? Where are the guns stored? How do we prevent children from getting them? If they're in a safe, doesn't that defeat the point? Couldn't that be a life-or-death delay to access them? If they're holstered, what if a teacher's clothing doesn't permit wearing a concealed holster? If they're holstered, what if a teacher doesn't want to open carry? If they're holstered and open carried, how does a teacher ensure that an angry student doesn't take that firearm? And let's not kid ourselves, students will figure out who's carrying. Are teachers allowed to shoot first? Or only after they hear gunfire? How do teachers know who the good guy is, and who the bad guy is? How do we ensure there's no friendly fire? What if the bad guy is surrounded by hostages? Are they expected to engage anyway? What happens if a student is in a hallway between two teachers' rooms? Who shoots? How do they avoid friendly crossfire? What if a perpetrator is only threatening to use a gun? What are the rules of engagement? What about a fight between students? Can teachers escalate? What if one of the students has a knife? Do janitors, administrators, guidance counsellors, etc. all get firearms? Who pays for the lawyer after an incident occurs? What if the firearm was a personal one and not a school-issued one? Is the teacher responsible for their own defense, or does their city/county/state have to pay to defend them? As far as I'm concerned, and in my humble opinion, teachers are in schools to teach. If you want armed people in the schools, then hire them. An already trained police officer has to have roughly 144 hours of additional training to be a School Resource Officer. They also drill and train several times a year. That sounds more along the lines of military or advanced law enforcement training to me, as opposed to just another hat for our teachers to wear. Arming teachers feels like a shortcut. We hire trained professionals to protect our money, property, government buildings, and even our lawyers and politicians. It's time we do the same for our children. Sadly, I just bought a few rubber door stops from Lowes this weekend to place in my children's backpacks. That was a fun conversation to have with a Second grader. So believe me, I'm not attempting to trash ANY ideas that are offered, simply sharing my thoughts. And last but not least, in remembering one of our fallen heroes here in Westerville, Officer Anthony Morelli, he was also a beloved school resource officer at Westerville North. He loved those kids and treated them like his own. So in reference to 'personal conviction and dedication to students', he was an exemplary example. I would first ask if any teachers in your school already have their CC and if so go from there. In reading most of your post you seem to see it as a potential requirement.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 21, 2018 11:13:39 GMT -5
So for those that advocate school employees carrying firearms, I have some questions. Where does the money come from to buy firearms for these teachers? And the ammunition? And the training? How are the trainers compensated? Where does this money come from? How much training is required? And what training? Crisis Response? Active Shooter Response? Close Quarter Combat Tactics? Target Recognition? Knowledge of how to coordinate with law enforcement response without getting in the way? Given most taxpayers won't give money to cover basic supplies, what makes you think they'll be willing to give money for all of this? How much ammunition is rationed to teachers? Can they bring in their own firearms/ammunition? How do we regulate their own firearms/ammunition? Where are the guns stored? How do we prevent children from getting them? If they're in a safe, doesn't that defeat the point? Couldn't that be a life-or-death delay to access them? If they're holstered, what if a teacher's clothing doesn't permit wearing a concealed holster? If they're holstered, what if a teacher doesn't want to open carry? If they're holstered and open carried, how does a teacher ensure that an angry student doesn't take that firearm? And let's not kid ourselves, students will figure out who's carrying. Are teachers allowed to shoot first? Or only after they hear gunfire? How do teachers know who the good guy is, and who the bad guy is? How do we ensure there's no friendly fire? What if the bad guy is surrounded by hostages? Are they expected to engage anyway? What happens if a student is in a hallway between two teachers' rooms? Who shoots? How do they avoid friendly crossfire? What if a perpetrator is only threatening to use a gun? What are the rules of engagement? What about a fight between students? Can teachers escalate? What if one of the students has a knife? Do janitors, administrators, guidance counsellors, etc. all get firearms? Who pays for the lawyer after an incident occurs? What if the firearm was a personal one and not a school-issued one? Is the teacher responsible for their own defense, or does their city/county/state have to pay to defend them? As far as I'm concerned, and in my humble opinion, teachers are in schools to teach. If you want armed people in the schools, then hire them. An already trained police officer has to have roughly 144 hours of additional training to be a School Resource Officer. They also drill and train several times a year. That sounds more along the lines of military or advanced law enforcement training to me, as opposed to just another hat for our teachers to wear. Arming teachers feels like a shortcut. We hire trained professionals to protect our money, property, government buildings, and even our lawyers and politicians. It's time we do the same for our children. Sadly, I just bought a few rubber door stops from Lowes this weekend to place in my children's backpacks. That was a fun conversation to have with a Second grader. So believe me, I'm not attempting to trash ANY ideas that are offered, simply sharing my thoughts. And last but not least, in remembering one of our fallen heroes here in Westerville, Officer Anthony Morelli, he was also a beloved school resource officer at Westerville North. He loved those kids and treated them like his own. So in reference to 'personal conviction and dedication to students', he was an exemplary example. I would first ask if any teachers in your school already have their CC and if so go from there. In reading most of your post you seem to see it as a potential requirement. Nah, I'm just asking questions per the prevailing thoughts on this thread. I don't pretend to outline any specific requirements. If you inferred that from my response, fair enough. I don't advocate for this approach, but for the sake of debate, shared my thoughts and opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 11:23:49 GMT -5
The process I see would include the question if any staff already holds the CC and go from there. If there are then some specific training would need to be added to allow a weapon in a school building.(IMO) I do know of teachers who have their CC and it does not take away from their ability to teach. Having a principal, assist principal or dean of students walking the halls with a sidearm would not take away from their educational duties but could change the mind of a kid from carrying out a terrible act.
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Post by moneyball on Feb 21, 2018 12:20:58 GMT -5
The process I see would include the question if any staff already holds the CC and go from there. If there are then some specific training would need to be added to allow a weapon in a school building.(IMO) I do know of teachers who have their CC and it does not take away from their ability to teach. Having a principal, assist principal or dean of students walking the halls with a sidearm would not take away from their educational duties but could change the mind of a kid from carrying out a terrible act. I think Texas is on to something here: Protection of Texas Children Law that was passed in 2013. The law allows districts in the state to create “school marshals” for campuses. Those marshals are usually employees at campuses. To become a school marshal, those employees must undergo extensive active shooter and firearms training with the state. They must also undergo a mental health evaluation. They receive a school marshal designation by the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement and must renew their license every two years by undergoing the same training and evaluation.
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 21, 2018 18:22:42 GMT -5
So many great questions and comments from all of you. Opinions may vary, but we all share the same concerns and desire for the kids safety and well being.
The questions concerning expenses of training, certifying and arming faculty staff. Teachers are already on the payroll, opposed to hiring security officers that will inflate the payroll. The teachers that have a desire to join such a program, have their CC permitting, most likely have a firearm they already deploy as a CC and are very familiar and comfortable with it's handling and shooting. I would say if they have had the firearm for a period of time, they are one with their weapon. As a result, no cost to the school district for permitting of the weapon.
I am opposed to any ideas of keeping a weapon in a desk, even if it is locked. People can be forgetful and forget to lock their desk. Keeping it in a locked safe in the office, swings the tactical advantage back to the shooter and increases precious seconds in getting to the safe, running the combination or securing the key and re-setting one's mental state for the task at hand.
Schools that let the community and surrounding areas know, they are armed,secure and fully prepared for any viable threat. The absolute worst message to convey is "We are a gun free zone."
No surprise that Texas is one of the leaders in this novel approach in protecting our precious student populations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 18:33:53 GMT -5
I guess if you’re a teacher your handgun becomes a tax write off
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 21, 2018 23:30:30 GMT -5
I guess if you’re a teacher your handgun becomes a tax write off If it is serving the greater good, why not?
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Post by galion on Feb 22, 2018 2:44:32 GMT -5
I was wondering are we going to compensate these individuals for choosing to put their lives at greater risk? Or are we expecting them to do this out of the goodness of their hearts? Even the military further compensates those who are deployed in potential combat areas. Sounds like you expect these teachers to undergo all of this extra training for free,
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2018 5:20:03 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone expects them to do it for free. Paying them extra would still be cheaper than hiring an entire addition employee with the additional salary and benefits package.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 7:30:34 GMT -5
How about the training is free not to be a target.
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 22, 2018 8:02:43 GMT -5
There are schools who already have this program in place. The faculty members with the responsibility of carrying firearms are in total discretion and secrecy. None of the students know who they are. This is basically a local school district decision, that doesn't require an act of Congress. At Parkland the school has a multi-building campus, much like a small college campus. The security guard was unfortunately located in another building when the shooting commenced. I think it needs to be known that school district allows their employees to carry weapons. That fact would likely scare away the idea of shooting up a school. Personally I’m not sold that most teachers I’ve been around have it in them to shoot a person or have any business carrying a firearm in the first place Without a doubt, the community would be well aware of protective policies implemented and yes, it would be a major deterrent. Do you think the teacher/coach who threw himself in front of the shooter as a human shield, sacrificing his life for his students would hesitate one instant to neutralize killer, had he been adequately armed? The teachers possessing any hint of squeemishness or moral issues with the use of a firearm, simply will not participate in such a program. They will hide under their desk or quiver behind a closed door, while the active shooter moves about. What kind of teacher would you want to be acting on your childs behalf? A babysitter or a teacher, willing to put personal safety aside and committed to becoming an active defender, taking his/her energies toward the shooter, putting the shooter on the defensive?
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 22, 2018 8:13:28 GMT -5
I was wondering are we going to compensate these individuals for choosing to put their lives at greater risk? Or are we expecting them to do this out of the goodness of their hearts? Even the military further compensates those who are deployed in potential combat areas. Sounds like you expect these teachers to undergo all of this extra training for free, That's a very good question. I would think these are the kind of details that would be ironed out in closed door discussions between the school administration, the faculty and the local teachers union. I have little doubt there would be many teachers who would not expect additional compensation or perks, for a scenario that will most likely, never occur. Those kind of individuals would view themselves as guardian protectors and that insurance policy that lays dormant in a file cabinet and hopefully, never to be used. As I mentioned before, we go about our everyday lives, walking into the local fast food restaurants, into other business establishments and many other public venues, totally oblivious to the countless guardian angels walking among us with CC, willing to stand in and protect you and your family in an instant. They expect no monetary compensation or recognition, just content to be among the forces for good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 8:29:18 GMT -5
Here’s something that nobody has mentioned. Are teachers under paid? Extremely. Now we want some to take more licensing? More responsibilities on top everything else they have to do? Are we going to pay them more? Where’s that money coming from? The rural and urban schools in Ohio have to pinch pennies as it is. Are we going to ask for more dang levies to offset new costs? I personally wouldn’t have a problem with a few teachers strapped, but it adds up to it isn’t going to happen
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 8:48:02 GMT -5
Here’s something that nobody has mentioned. Are teachers under paid? Extremely. Now we want some to take more licensing? More responsibilities on top everything else they have to do? Are we going to pay them more? Where’s that money coming from? The rural and urban schools in Ohio have to pinch pennies as it is. Are we going to ask for more dang levies to offset new costs? I personally wouldn’t have a problem with a few teachers strapped, but it adds up to it isn’t going to happen WTH!!! Are some of you nuts? This is not a supplemental contract. If you have a building of 75 employees how many would really accept this idea. This is not about being compensated or getting benefits in my eyes. I would ask all staff members if anyone currently have their CC. Then ask if they would be interested in being involved in a program to help with school security. This would not be an assignment to walk the halls and patrol the school grounds like an MP.
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 22, 2018 9:04:39 GMT -5
Here’s something that nobody has mentioned. Are teachers under paid? Extremely. Now we want some to take more licensing? More responsibilities on top everything else they have to do? Are we going to pay them more? Where’s that money coming from? The rural and urban schools in Ohio have to pinch pennies as it is. Are we going to ask for more dang levies to offset new costs? I personally wouldn’t have a problem with a few teachers strapped, but it adds up to it isn’t going to happen WTH!!! Are some of you nuts? This is not a supplemental contract. If you have a building of 75 employees how many would really accept this idea. This is not about being compensated or getting benefits in my eyes. I would ask all staff members if anyone currently have their CC. Then ask if they would be interested in being involved in a program to help with school security. This would not be an assignment to walk the halls and patrol the school grounds like an MP. Bingo! Well stated.......
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Post by galion on Feb 22, 2018 9:12:01 GMT -5
Here’s something that nobody has mentioned. Are teachers under paid? Extremely. Now we want some to take more licensing? More responsibilities on top everything else they have to do? Are we going to pay them more? Where’s that money coming from? The rural and urban schools in Ohio have to pinch pennies as it is. Are we going to ask for more dang levies to offset new costs? I personally wouldn’t have a problem with a few teachers strapped, but it adds up to it isn’t going to happen WTH!!! Are some of you nuts? This is not a supplemental contract. If you have a building of 75 employees how many would really accept this idea. This is not about being compensated or getting benefits in my eyes. I would ask all staff members if anyone currently have their CC. Then ask if they would be interested in being involved in a program to help with school security. This would not be an assignment to walk the halls and patrol the school grounds like an MP. You think just having a CC is going to be enough to walk around a school system with a loaded weapon? You must be nuts.
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 22, 2018 9:20:42 GMT -5
WTH!!! Are some of you nuts? This is not a supplemental contract. If you have a building of 75 employees how many would really accept this idea. This is not about being compensated or getting benefits in my eyes. I would ask all staff members if anyone currently have their CC. Then ask if they would be interested in being involved in a program to help with school security. This would not be an assignment to walk the halls and patrol the school grounds like an MP. You think just having a CC is going to be enough to walk around a school system with a loaded weapon? You must be nuts. We call it 'level of trust'. No doubt a particular school district will insist on all phases of tactical response training. What caliber of person are you getting with a minimum wage security guard? A quick training session and issued a uniform and badge, in most cases.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 22, 2018 10:23:04 GMT -5
You think just having a CC is going to be enough to walk around a school system with a loaded weapon? You must be nuts. We call it 'level of trust'. No doubt a particular school district will insist on all phases of tactical response training. What caliber of person are you getting with a minimum wage security guard? A quick training session and issued a uniform and badge, in most cases. So what's your solution if no members of staff have a CC?
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Post by moneyball on Feb 22, 2018 11:18:01 GMT -5
Here’s something that nobody has mentioned. Are teachers under paid? Extremely. Now we want some to take more licensing? More responsibilities on top everything else they have to do? Are we going to pay them more? Where’s that money coming from? The rural and urban schools in Ohio have to pinch pennies as it is. Are we going to ask for more dang levies to offset new costs? I personally wouldn’t have a problem with a few teachers strapped, but it adds up to it isn’t going to happen Teachers are underpaid, based on what data? This isn't the 90s any longer and most teachers are well compensated for their work. Most teachers in this area are paid in the $60,000-75,000 range. The higher ups are $85,000-95,000. I'm not talking cities of 50,000-100,000 people, I'm talking cities with 10,000 or less people. There are 84 teachers, guidance counselors at our school making $65,000-$85,000 and most are working 184 days, do the math.
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Post by sweathog on Feb 22, 2018 12:46:52 GMT -5
To all you left that say we should get rid of this gun, how many people has it killed? How many people have been killed with knifes, look it up, 4 x as many than guns!!!! Are we protesting knives??? How many people are killed by automobiles, Are we protesting them??? All this is about is the left taking more of our rights away. Its to bad it happened, but we cant protect everyone! As for a lot of people, we always want to put the blame on someone else!!! Anyone hear of COMMON SENCE, well a lot of you don't have it. They want to push now some one 18 should not be able to buy or use this gun, GEE what age can you go to military and what gun will you be using!! Before someone goes off and say you as a person cant use this gun to hunt wildlife, WELL YOU ARE WRONG!! Do we have metal detectors at school like we do at airports and sports events, some do!!! But quit trying to put the blame on this gun for killing these kids, I have not seen a gun kill anyone yet and never will!!! Its the idiot using it!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 13:26:02 GMT -5
WTH!!! Are some of you nuts? This is not a supplemental contract. If you have a building of 75 employees how many would really accept this idea. This is not about being compensated or getting benefits in my eyes. I would ask all staff members if anyone currently have their CC. Then ask if they would be interested in being involved in a program to help with school security. This would not be an assignment to walk the halls and patrol the school grounds like an MP. You think just having a CC is going to be enough to walk around a school system with a loaded weapon? You must be nuts. galion, I know you can comprehend better than that. What I said was ask the employees who already have a CC if they would want to participate in a "Safer School" program. There is no pressure to volunteer and no compensation(other than maybe saving your life or one of your students). If nobody is interested then it would not happen. If a student drops without a heartbeat while walking the halls, some teachers will immediately go get the AED. Others will call 911 and hold the child's hand. Both are helping save a child's but neither are compensated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 13:36:36 GMT -5
Here’s something that nobody has mentioned. Are teachers under paid? Extremely. Now we want some to take more licensing? More responsibilities on top everything else they have to do? Are we going to pay them more? Where’s that money coming from? The rural and urban schools in Ohio have to pinch pennies as it is. Are we going to ask for more dang levies to offset new costs? I personally wouldn’t have a problem with a few teachers strapped, but it adds up to it isn’t going to happen Teachers are underpaid, based on what data? This isn't the 90s any longer and most teachers are well compensated for their work. Most teachers in this area are paid in the $60,000-75,000 range. The higher ups are $85,000-95,000. I'm not talking cities of 50,000-100,000 people, I'm talking cities with 10,000 or less people. There are 84 teachers, guidance counselors at our school making $65,000-$85,000 and most are working 184 days, do the math. I literally spit my coffee out reading this. To make that kind of money a teacher has to of been in a school system 20+ years. The average starting salary for a teacher in this country is $36k and average salary is $56k.
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Post by moneyball on Feb 22, 2018 14:26:14 GMT -5
Teachers are underpaid, based on what data? This isn't the 90s any longer and most teachers are well compensated for their work. Most teachers in this area are paid in the $60,000-75,000 range. The higher ups are $85,000-95,000. I'm not talking cities of 50,000-100,000 people, I'm talking cities with 10,000 or less people. There are 84 teachers, guidance counselors at our school making $65,000-$85,000 and most are working 184 days, do the math. I literally spit my coffee out reading this. To make that kind of money a teacher has to of been in a school system 20+ years. The average starting salary for a teacher in this country is $36k and average salary is $56k. It is public information and fact, all you have to do is request it and it is yours no matter what city you live in. Did you about spit your coffee out because you think it is untrue or shocked that they are actually making this kind of salary?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 14:49:44 GMT -5
I literally spit my coffee out reading this. To make that kind of money a teacher has to of been in a school system 20+ years. The average starting salary for a teacher in this country is $36k and average salary is $56k. It is public information and fact, all you have to do is request it and it is yours no matter what city you live in. Did you about spit your coffee out because you think it is untrue or shocked that they are actually making this kind of salary? yes it is and apparently you have no idea how to use google www.google.com/amp/s/articles.niche.com/teacher-salaries-in-america/amp/
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 22, 2018 14:55:38 GMT -5
We call it 'level of trust'. No doubt a particular school district will insist on all phases of tactical response training. What caliber of person are you getting with a minimum wage security guard? A quick training session and issued a uniform and badge, in most cases. So what's your solution if no members of staff have a CC? In this day and age, it is highly unlikely that would be the case. I think these kind of CC programs already in place, originated from a voluntary status. I can't imagine an entire faculty opting out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 15:05:57 GMT -5
Teachers are underpaid, based on what data? This isn't the 90s any longer and most teachers are well compensated for their work. Most teachers in this area are paid in the $60,000-75,000 range. The higher ups are $85,000-95,000. I'm not talking cities of 50,000-100,000 people, I'm talking cities with 10,000 or less people. There are 84 teachers, guidance counselors at our school making $65,000-$85,000 and most are working 184 days, do the math. I literally spit my coffee out reading this. To make that kind of money a teacher has to of been in a school system 20+ years. The average starting salary for a teacher in this country is $36k and average salary is $56k. In this Country? Don't compare North Central Ohio to Kentucky or Idaho. What are those stats for Huron, Crawford, Richland and surrounding counties? Head down to Franklin county and those numbers you gave are not close to accurate. If you saw some Franklin County school salaries you would also spit coffee out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 15:16:03 GMT -5
It is public information and fact, all you have to do is request it and it is yours no matter what city you live in. Did you about spit your coffee out because you think it is untrue or shocked that they are actually making this kind of salary? yes it is and apparently you have no idea how to use google www.google.com/amp/s/articles.niche.com/teacher-salaries-in-america/amp/Scrolling thru the site you provided it shows the average teacher wage for the schools to be.............................. Clyde $52,400 Ontario $62,000 Vermilion $ 65,800 Willard $67,000 Norwalk $63,900 Port Clinton $62,000 Shelby $63,900 Perkins $70,000 Sandusky $66,100 This is listed as the average teacher salary for the district on the website above
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