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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 12:56:03 GMT -5
Friendly article about one of the areas longest coaches who admits he will go 3-4 more years.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 4, 2018 14:26:03 GMT -5
What is there not be be friendly about? Balogh is one of the longest coaches? I've always known he would coach until this coming year's Sophomores are Seniors. Then there are a couple of average classes in a row. He'll retire after 3 more years. Which should get him close to 600 wins and around 15th on the list of coaches with most wins in Ohio high school history.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 4, 2018 15:29:38 GMT -5
Balogh told one of our coaches he was year to year 2 seasons ago after reaching 500. If he can accumulate 600 wins it would secure him a spot in the record books. If he stays 3 more years he should get that. Looking at coaching records for our area I did see he was 238-60 during his 23 years in the NCC. Never had a losing record against any team in the NCC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 21:22:34 GMT -5
Some of that may have been due to his former boss. He will soon have a new boss to work with.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 5, 2018 17:52:31 GMT -5
Balogh told one of our coaches he was year to year 2 seasons ago after reaching 500. If he can accumulate 600 wins it would secure him a spot in the record books. If he stays 3 more years he should get that. Looking at coaching records for our area I did see he was 238-60 during his 23 years in the NCC. Never had a losing record against any team in the NCC. Balogh had a better record in the MOC and NOL. In the NCC he won league titles in 14 of 23 years. In the MOC he won league titles 4 out of 5 years. In the NOL he won league titles 3 out of 4 years.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 6, 2018 16:18:54 GMT -5
Balogh told one of our coaches he was year to year 2 seasons ago after reaching 500. If he can accumulate 600 wins it would secure him a spot in the record books. If he stays 3 more years he should get that. Looking at coaching records for our area I did see he was 238-60 during his 23 years in the NCC. Never had a losing record against any team in the NCC. Balogh had a better record in the MOC and NOL. In the NCC he won league titles in 14 of 23 years. In the MOC he won league titles 4 out of 5 years. In the NOL he won league titles 3 out of 4 years. I didn't mention the NCC for titles. It was the number of wins that came from the league that made me take a second look. I wish Clear Fork would have been in that league so they could have racked up some wins.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 6, 2018 23:09:22 GMT -5
I mentioned Titles because they are more meaningful, than just wins.
You obtusely only want to talk wins??
Fine, Balogh's winning % in the NCC was .798, MOC .765, NCC .895. Balogh's CAREER winning % in ALL games is .733, Which included, non-league games against at the time larger schools River Valley, Highland, Willard, Shelby, Galion, Norwalk, Ashland, Lexington, Madison, Mansfield Senior, Wooster, Columbus Gahanna Lincoln and Cleveland Heights.
The 238 wins made you take a second look?? That was in 23 years, that's only 10 wins a year.
Balogh never had a losing record against MOC and NCC teams either.
Clear Fork had their chance to join the NCC the year Ontario did and again when Lucas did, but they were infatuated with the MAC at the time, which imploded WAY before the NCC did.
Clear Fork would not have racked up that many wins in the the NCC. They would've only won one League title, the year they won the State Title.
The years Ontario wasn't winning NCC Titles.....you've heard of Rob Sheldon and Wynford? ALSO, Buckeye Central, CC and even Bucyrus had better teams than Clear Fork did in Ontario off years.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 7, 2018 6:54:58 GMT -5
What is there not be be friendly about? Balogh is one of the longest coaches? I've always known he would coach until this coming year's Sophomores are Seniors. Then there are a couple of average classes in a row. He'll retire after 3 more years. Which should get him close to 600 wins and around 15th on the list of coaches with most wins in Ohio high school history. No titles mentioned obtuse one.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 7, 2018 7:01:19 GMT -5
I really don't care about all those figures. It's just alot of wins against alot of bad teams. Averaging 10 wins a year in your league means you are good but it also means your league is weak.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 7, 2018 12:29:26 GMT -5
How can you say you really don't care about "figures", when YOU were the one to FIRST mention "figures", not me. When you told us that Balogh's "figures" in the NCC was 238-60. Then you tell us how that 238 "figure" made you take a second look. Now you tell us why that "figure" made you take a second look. Because that "figure" came in the NCC, which you insult all the schools in that league by saying it was "weak". I gave you the "figures" of winning percentages in the MOC and NOL to show that it didn't matter what league Ontario played in, the "figures" were very close.
How about these "figures". Balogh averaged 10 wins per year in the "weak" NCC, 11 wins per year in the MOC and in the Big Bad 7 school NOL averaged 11 wins per year, when there were only 12 league games. ALSO, during the years of playing in a "weak" league, Ontario won 16 Sectional Titles, 6 District Titles and were District runner ups 4 times. Those are out side the "weak" league.
What made me take a second look, was that during the same period, out side of their league Clear Fork won 4 Sectional Titles, 2 District Titles and had 1 District runner up.
Your bold lettered statement is not germane, since YOU were the first to give "figures". Only after YOU gave "figures" did I give "figures".
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 7, 2018 15:45:57 GMT -5
Some of that may have been due to his former boss. He will soon have a new boss to work with. That may be true. My son knows the new guy and says he is well liked.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 8:00:00 GMT -5
A word of advice to you, if I may. The person you are debating with has rarely ever been wrong and never admits it when he is. He loves his community blindly and cannot see things in an unbiased way. There is no advantage to try and talk logically with him as he spins everything said into a hate post against a district that he still views as a small rural school even though they are one of the bigger schools in the area. But that view helps him in his defense. My advice, say your piece and move on with a smile. Many of us enjoy the blocking feature.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 12, 2018 7:36:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice.
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Post by brownsguy on Jul 12, 2018 8:26:10 GMT -5
The MOAC should be very good this coming season.. The top 4 teams should be Pleasant, Ontario, BV, and Clear Fork in my opinion. Thoughts?
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Post by edchambers on Jul 12, 2018 8:39:27 GMT -5
Shelby?
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 12, 2018 8:54:00 GMT -5
The MOAC should be very good this coming season.. The top 4 teams should be Pleasant, Ontario, BV, and Clear Fork in my opinion. Thoughts? Ontario and Clear Fork both lost players that played a lot last season. Clear Fork did not play well this summer but now we are in football mode.
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Post by gt1975 on Jul 12, 2018 10:47:41 GMT -5
The MOAC should be very good this coming season.. The top 4 teams should be Pleasant, Ontario, BV, and Clear Fork in my opinion. Thoughts? Shelby instead of Clear Fork.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 6:14:17 GMT -5
Shelby could immediately be a contender with long timer, Pleasant. Clear Fork may not have last seasons success but this years MOAC race should be very competitive. Ontario lost 3-4 of their top 7-8 from last year but return a good one. Marion and BV will both improve. RV and Galion have to be better than last year, don’t they?
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Post by gt1975 on Jul 13, 2018 12:32:01 GMT -5
Shelby could immediately be a contender with long timer, Pleasant. Clear Fork may not have last seasons success but this years MOAC race should be very competitive. Ontario lost 3-4 of their top 7-8 from last year but return a good one. Marion and BV will both improve. RV and Galion have to be better than last year, don’t they? I'm expecting Shelby, Pleasant, and Ontario to be the top 3. Pleasant(20-5) returns Williams (12.1ppg, 1st Team), Warner (12.2 ppg, 2nd Team), Kimmel (13.5 ppg, 1st Team). Shelby(14-9) returns Schwemley (15 ppg), Hoffman (11 ppg) and a transfer from Seneca East. Ontario(13-10) only graduates two players and returns Shaver (10.2 ppg, 2nd Team), Jacobs (8.6 ppg), Mott (7.8 ppg), and Houle (7.42 ppg). I don't know what Marion Harding(6-17) returns, I haven't been able to find their stats. Buckeye Valley(7-16) returns Herbert (17.1 ppg, 1st Team) and brings in a freshman class that I don't think lost a game in middle school. Clear Fork(17-6) graduates Barnett but returns Blubaugh(9 ppg, 2nd Team) and South (12 ppg, 2nd Team). River Valley(5-18) returns Kenney (13.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg), Kitchen (10 ppg) and gets Anderson (6.8 ppg, 2.2 spg-2nd in MOAC) from Galion. River Valley also won the Freshman tournament. Galion graduates 2 starters, 1 bench player, and Anderson transferred. But they return Alsip (16.8 ppg, 1st Team), Lackey (9.5 ppg, 2nd Team), and Mcelligott (8 ppg). My guess is that Shelby, Pleasant, and Ontario compete for the top spot. IMO spots 4-8 could go to anyone.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 13, 2018 14:30:45 GMT -5
Shelby could immediately be a contender with long timer, Pleasant. Clear Fork may not have last seasons success but this years MOAC race should be very competitive. Ontario lost 3-4 of their top 7-8 from last year but return a good one. Marion and BV will both improve. RV and Galion have to be better than last year, don’t they? Ontario only lost 2 Seniors, not 3-4. One starter and one that came off the bench, who was the 8th player in the 8 player rotation. They return 4 starters and 6 of the 8 in the rotation last year. They return their leading scorer, a Freshman and the #2 rebounder in the MOAC. Houle will be available for the entire season. They'll have a 20 point scorer from the JV team, a Freshman last year, the best 3-point shooter in the school. They'll have decent size with 8 players between 6-4 and 6-2. They'll be a young team again next year, as there will only be one Senior of significance.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 13, 2018 14:33:19 GMT -5
A word of advice to you, if I may. The person you are debating with has rarely ever been wrong and never admits it when he is. He loves his community blindly and cannot see things in an unbiased way. There is no advantage to try and talk logically with him as he spins everything said into a hate post against a district that he still views as a small rural school even though they are one of the bigger schools in the area. But that view helps him in his defense. My advice, say your piece and move on with a smile. Many of us enjoy the blocking feature. <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 25.539999999999964px; height: 3.8799999999999955px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_2313783" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 25.54px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1215px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_5547811" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 25.54px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63887687" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 25.54px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1215px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_33178076" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 25.200000000000045px; height: 3.8799999999999955px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_78885986" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 25.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1198px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_44448879" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 25.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_70045016" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 25.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1198px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_75741273" scrolling="no"></iframe> Dude does a good job of describing himself. What I do, as above, is correct egregious errors or bad guesses about schools he purports knowledge, but knows very little.
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Post by 4 on Jul 13, 2018 14:55:50 GMT -5
Shelby could immediately be a contender with long timer, Pleasant. Clear Fork may not have last seasons success but this years MOAC race should be very competitive. Ontario lost 3-4 of their top 7-8 from last year but return a good one. Marion and BV will both improve. RV and Galion have to be better than last year, don’t they? I'm expecting Shelby, Pleasant, and Ontario to be the top 3. Pleasant(20-5) returns Williams (12.1ppg, 1st Team), Warner (12.2 ppg, 2nd Team), Kimmel (13.5 ppg, 1st Team). Shelby(14-9) returns Schwemley (15 ppg), Hoffman (11 ppg) and a transfer from Seneca East. Ontario(13-10) only graduates two players and returns Shaver (10.2 ppg, 2nd Team), Jacobs (8.6 ppg), Mott (7.8 ppg), and Houle (7.42 ppg). I don't know what Marion Harding(6-17) returns, I haven't been able to find their stats. Buckeye Valley(7-16) returns Herbert (17.1 ppg, 1st Team) and brings in a freshman class that I don't think lost a game in middle school. Clear Fork(17-6) graduates Barnett but returns Blubaugh(9 ppg, 2nd Team) and South (12 ppg, 2nd Team). River Valley(5-18) returns Kenney (13.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg), Kitchen (10 ppg) and gets Anderson (6.8 ppg, 2.2 spg-2nd in MOAC) from Galion. River Valley also won the Freshman tournament. Galion graduates 2 starters, 1 bench player, and Anderson transferred. But they return Alsip (16.8 ppg, 1st Team), Lackey (9.5 ppg, 2nd Team), and Mcelligott (8 ppg). My guess is that Shelby, Pleasant, and Ontario compete for the top spot. IMO spots 4-8 could go to anyone. IMO Harding will be middle to bottom of pack, return Mitch Myers which played well and will return other starters Gary Moaney, Dejuan Smith, Deante Smith. Will lose Browley and fraker. Browley not a big loss couldn’t get healthy last year and Fraker was a hustle player more so, younger teams was solid jv and freshman I believe. Will be lead by 3 seniors and junior Myers, young guys will have to step up if want to win some games. More ready for football season however.
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Post by gt1975 on Jul 13, 2018 15:05:14 GMT -5
I'm expecting Shelby, Pleasant, and Ontario to be the top 3. Pleasant(20-5) returns Williams (12.1ppg, 1st Team), Warner (12.2 ppg, 2nd Team), Kimmel (13.5 ppg, 1st Team). Shelby(14-9) returns Schwemley (15 ppg), Hoffman (11 ppg) and a transfer from Seneca East. Ontario(13-10) only graduates two players and returns Shaver (10.2 ppg, 2nd Team), Jacobs (8.6 ppg), Mott (7.8 ppg), and Houle (7.42 ppg). I don't know what Marion Harding(6-17) returns, I haven't been able to find their stats. Buckeye Valley(7-16) returns Herbert (17.1 ppg, 1st Team) and brings in a freshman class that I don't think lost a game in middle school. Clear Fork(17-6) graduates Barnett but returns Blubaugh(9 ppg, 2nd Team) and South (12 ppg, 2nd Team). River Valley(5-18) returns Kenney (13.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg), Kitchen (10 ppg) and gets Anderson (6.8 ppg, 2.2 spg-2nd in MOAC) from Galion. River Valley also won the Freshman tournament. Galion graduates 2 starters, 1 bench player, and Anderson transferred. But they return Alsip (16.8 ppg, 1st Team), Lackey (9.5 ppg, 2nd Team), and Mcelligott (8 ppg). My guess is that Shelby, Pleasant, and Ontario compete for the top spot. IMO spots 4-8 could go to anyone. IMO Harding will be middle to bottom of pack, return Mitch Myers which played well and will return other starters Gary Moaney, Dejuan Smith, Deante Smith. Will lose Browley and fraker. Browley not a big loss couldn’t get healthy last year and Fraker was a hustle player more so, younger teams was solid jv and freshman I believe. Will be lead by 3 seniors and junior Myers, young guys will have to step up if want to win some games. More ready for football season however. Thanks 4. If you find stats for Harding can you post them or send them to me? IMO Harding had the best JV team in the conference last year and their freshman team placed 2nd in the tournament.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 13, 2018 16:25:30 GMT -5
I too thought Harding had the best JV team in the MOAC.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 13, 2018 18:02:40 GMT -5
Shelby could immediately be a contender with long timer, Pleasant. Clear Fork may not have last seasons success but this years MOAC race should be very competitive. Ontario lost 3-4 of their top 7-8 from last year but return a good one. Marion and BV will both improve. RV and Galion have to be better than last year, don’t they? Ontario only lost 2 Seniors, not 3-4. One starter and one that came off the bench, who was the 8th player in the 8 player rotation. They return 4 starters and 6 of the 8 in the rotation last year. They return their leading scorer, a Freshman and the #2 rebounder in the MOAC. Houle will be available for the entire season. They'll have a 20 point scorer from the JV team, a Freshman last year, the best 3-point shooter in the school. They'll have decent size with 8 players between 6-4 and 6-2. They'll be a young team again next year, as there will only be one Senior of significance. Did Houle and Harris go to Mansfield along with Todd? If so that would be 4 of their top 8.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 1:01:42 GMT -5
Rumor is that all three are at Mansfield.
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Post by galion on Jul 14, 2018 8:38:14 GMT -5
The real question is did they manage to get there in a way which will leave them eligible for the postseason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 10:07:10 GMT -5
Todd was in class at Mansfield before the OHSAA deadline for the transfer change. HE will sit the first half of the football season.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 14, 2018 16:24:46 GMT -5
Ontario only lost 2 Seniors, not 3-4. One starter and one that came off the bench, who was the 8th player in the 8 player rotation. They return 4 starters and 6 of the 8 in the rotation last year. They return their leading scorer, a Freshman and the #2 rebounder in the MOAC. Houle will be available for the entire season. They'll have a 20 point scorer from the JV team, a Freshman last year, the best 3-point shooter in the school. They'll have decent size with 8 players between 6-4 and 6-2. They'll be a young team again next year, as there will only be one Senior of significance. Did Houle and Harris go to Mansfield along with Todd? If so that would be 4 of their top 8. Had not heard that. I checked with a friend who plays golf with Balogh on occasion, last time being 3 weeks ago. Balogh did say that Harris left Ontario, which he was happy about, but didn't say anything about Houle leaving. In the case of Harris it would be addition by subtraction. Harris is not good enough to get playing time at Senior. He only made ONE shot further than 8 feet from the basket in 24 games last year and his shooting % on drives to the basket was around 33%. He got playing time solely for his ball handling and defense. Houle, if he decided to go to Senior in the past 2 weeks, could play there, but wouldn't be a starter. My guess is they went for academic reasons. I know Houle was borderline eligible last year. MUCH easier at Senior than Ontario. I know a good track athlete that open enrolled to Senior from Ontario. He wasn't going to be eligible at Ontario, but got good enough grades to run for Senior. They didn't go "with" Todd. Todd's father open enrolled him before the new transfer by law. Because they did that, he'll sit the the first 5 games and be eligible the last 5 games and post season games. Harris and Houle could play the first 11, but would have to sit the last 11 and also tournament games. In the case of Houle, he transferred out of state as a Freshman and got very little playing time. His Soph year he came back to Ohio and sat the first 11 games last year. If it's true that he transferred to Senior and makes the team, he'll have to sit 12+ games this year. Insanity!!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 14, 2018 16:57:27 GMT -5
Rumor is that all three are at Mansfield. It is not a rumor that Todd is at Senior, that's been a fact since March.
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