gt1975
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Post by gt1975 on Jul 14, 2018 20:07:33 GMT -5
Did Houle and Harris go to Mansfield along with Todd? If so that would be 4 of their top 8. Had not heard that. I checked with a friend who plays golf with Balogh on occasion, last time being 3 weeks ago. Balogh did say that Harris left Ontario, which he was happy about, but didn't say anything about Houle leaving. In the case of Harris it would be addition by subtraction. Harris is not good enough to get playing time at Senior. He only made ONE shot further than 8 feet from the basket in 24 games last year and his shooting % on drives to the basket was around 33%. He got playing time solely for his ball handling and defense. Houle, if he decided to go to Senior in the past 2 weeks, could play there, but wouldn't be a starter. My guess is they went for academic reasons. I know Houle was borderline eligible last year. MUCH easier at Senior than Ontario. I know a good track athlete that open enrolled to Senior from Ontario. He wasn't going to be eligible at Ontario, but got good enough grades to run for Senior. They didn't go "with" Todd. Todd's father open enrolled him before the new transfer by law. Because they did that, he'll sit the the first 5 games and be eligible the last 5 games and post season games. Harris and Houle could play the first 11, but would have to sit the last 11 and also tournament games. In the case of Houle, he transferred out of state as a Freshman and got very little playing time. His Soph year he came back to Ohio and sat the first 11 games last year. If it's true that he transferred to Senior and makes the team, he'll have to sit 12+ games this year. Insanity!! I agree with you on Harris. Losing him will probably actually help Ontario. It will probably mean more playing time for the kid that played JV last year. If Houle transferred this will be his 4th school in 4 years.
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Post by averagejoe on Jul 14, 2018 20:22:15 GMT -5
so the kid is a starter for over 20 games and is one of the top 7 players last year and because he leaves you guys trash him. Harris lives in the Mansfield limits so he will not be sitting. He is also playing football.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 15, 2018 16:35:27 GMT -5
How many Ontario basketball games did you watch last year?
AGAIN, you know not of what you speak.
Would you praise a guard who only made one shot further than 8 feet from the basket in 23 games?
Would you praise a guard who only made around 33% of his shots on drives to the basket?
Would you praise a PG who just threw the ball out of left field in the direction the basket instead of passing the ball on drives to the basket?
The ONLY reason he played much last year was because of a shortage and inexperience at guard.
The Freshman was 10 times the player he was last year.
If Ontario had a PG close to what they had the past 6 years their record would have been more like 18-5 instead of 13-10.
The talk was the same all last year and would be the same this year. The families of other players in the parent section had to bite their tongues all year.
This summer the 6-2 Soph Coburn looked better at PG than the 5-6 kid who transferred to Senior.
He was on Ontario's football football last year, but didn't play much for a bad team.
Tell ya what, after every Senior game you let us know how much playing time he gets.
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Post by averagejoe on Jul 15, 2018 16:44:27 GMT -5
tell ya what. since you are a special kinda stoopid I won't waste my time.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 15, 2018 16:50:24 GMT -5
tell ya what. since you are a special kinda stoopid I won't waste my time. You do not want to compare intellects. Your first post proved your stoopidity. Mine was filled with factual information. You are a FAILURE, as you FAILED to answer the 4 questions posed.
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Post by dude on Jul 15, 2018 20:51:11 GMT -5
The best part of the Harris game was his defense but his ball handling help them as well. If they did loose him, Houle, Todd and 2 seniors it could be another rebuilding year for them looking at a .500 season.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 15, 2018 23:36:54 GMT -5
The 5-6 transfer to Senior is not a loss.
Todd didn't play last year so he's not a loss from last year's team.
One Senior was the 8th player in the rotation, so he's not much of a loss.
The other Senior was a 6-7 starter. Those don't grow on trees, even though dude questioned his commitment.
Houle, if not another Shaver story, would have been a starter, but he won't be a starter for Senior High. Thus I suspect his problem with Ontario academics is the reason, since Mott is his best friend and why he enrolled at Ontario.
Hardly "another rebuilding year". Even though young, they return 4 starters. A Junior 2 year letter man. Their leading scorer and best Freshman in Ontario history. The #2 rebounder in the MOAC last year, their only Senior of note. The 6-2 Junior guard from MC. They'll also have the JV Freshman PG that averaged close to 20ppg.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 16, 2018 7:07:10 GMT -5
The 5-6 transfer to Senior is not a loss. Todd didn't play last year so he's not a loss from last year's team. One Senior was the 8th player in the rotation, so he's not much of a loss. The other Senior was a 6-7 starter. Those don't grow on trees, even though dude questioned his commitment. Houle, if not another Shaver story, would have been a starter, but he won't be a starter for Senior High. Thus I suspect his problem with Ontario academics is the reason, since Mott is his best friend and why he enrolled at Ontario. Hardly "another rebuilding year". Even though young, they return 4 starters. A Junior 2 year letter man. Their leading scorer and best Freshman in Ontario history. The #2 rebounder in the MOAC last year, their only Senior of note. The 6-2 Junior guard from MC. They'll also have the JV Freshman PG that averaged close to 20ppg. How do they return 4 starters if the 6-7 kid graduated and the starting point guard transferred?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 16, 2018 14:44:16 GMT -5
Jacobs started every game. Coburn started every game. Mott and Shaver each started about half the games and both would be on the floor at crunch time when the 5-6 transfer would be on the bench. If you want to know who Balogh counts on the most look at who's on the floor late in the 4th quarter in close games, not who starts games.
Mott and Shaver were both WAY more important to the TEAM, than the 5-6 transfer. He would start, but would usually be substituted for first, early in the 1st quarter(which he had a hard time accepting), unless his ball handling or defensive pressure was needed. Unlike most coaches Balogh has a planned rotation that never varies, unless there's foul trouble. All 5 starters are substituted for in the first quarter, 2nd quarter and 3rd quarter. Even a "star" player like Barnett, sits and plays equal minutes with the others so they're all fresh for the 4th quarter.
Last year in preseason scrimmages Joe used 5 players at PG. First and foremost looking for the one who could handle full court man pressure. Harris was the best, the only reason he became the starting PG. As the season went on Freshman Shaver became better and better at handling pressure, thus Harris's minutes decreased, Shaver being FAR better at all other aspects of the game.
The last half of the season, Jones, Jacobs, Coburn, Mott and Shaver played approximately equal minutes. Then came Harris. When Houle became eligible Harris's minutes decreased. Undoubtedly the reason he went back to Mansfield. No loss this year, except bench depth.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 16, 2018 22:02:41 GMT -5
What a windy answer. Last I knew, 5 guys were called starters. You never said they return 4 guys that finished games last year. You said they return 4 starters. So you were either wrong or you lied. Whichever it was doesn't matter, what does is how many kids that leave or talk about leaving Ontario. Todd and Harris, which affects football and basketball. Then add Houle who has 2 years left. I'll be glad not to see them on the court against the Colts.
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Post by dude on Jul 17, 2018 6:03:55 GMT -5
Todd and Harris I can understand but Houle having to sit more games would be a reason for him not to leave. I have also heard a could more have left that are football players.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 17, 2018 19:51:00 GMT -5
What a windy answer. Last I knew, 5 guys were called starters. You never said they return 4 guys that finished games last year. You said they return 4 starters. So you were either wrong or you lied. Whichever it was doesn't matter, what does is how many kids that leave or talk about leaving Ontario. Todd and Harris, which affects football and basketball. Then add Houle who has 2 years left. I'll be glad not to see them on the court against the Colts. Just a little factual wind for your sails to guide you to a place of knowledge about Ontario basketball. Jacobs started every game. Coburn started every game. Mott started about half of the games. Shaver started about half of the games. Both played more minutes than the 5-6 transfer. Both are MUCH MUCH better players. I dare you to tell Mott or Shaver they weren't starters. Did you go to Ontario open gyms in June? The JV Freshman PG is better than the transfer now. No wonder he left. If you don't know these facts and don't like my wind you'll have to go more Ontario games and become knowledgeable. Joe Balogh would tell you it's not important who starts. Harris played very little in football and Ontario had a bad team, he won't be missed. How many Ontario games did you see last year? Would you want a PG that only made one shot further than 8 feet from the basket in 23 games? Would you want a PG who only made around 33% of shots when he drove to the basket? Would you want a PG that when he drove to the basket, would just throw it in the direction of the basket and hope, instead of looking to pass? If you will be glad not to see Harris when they play Clear Fork, everyone on the Ontario side will be more glad than you. Now you're sounding silly. Ontario has FIFTY TIMES more students that transfer IN, than transfer out.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 17, 2018 20:14:20 GMT -5
Todd and Harris I can understand but Houle having to sit more games would be a reason for him not to leave. I have also heard a could more have left that are football players. How can you understand Harris? He won't see the field in football except maybe a special team or two. He won't see the court in basketball except for mop up time late in the game. The only thing I can see is to go home to graduate with friends he 's had for years.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 18, 2018 16:41:45 GMT -5
I would tell Mott he was not a starter since he lost his starting position half way thru the season. "I'd say it his face. I swear to god I would."
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 18, 2018 21:14:38 GMT -5
Allow me to educate you further about Ontario basketball. Which you obviously know next to nothing about. Being from DEEP in the valley. Mott did not "lose" his starting position to Shaver half way through the season. Due to your ignorance of the Ontario roster last year and lack of knowledge of how Balogh thinks, this is EXACTLY what occurred. Due to only having 2 post players of substance on the roster last year and Shaver improving. Instead of the 6-4 Mott starting at the 3 position. Balogh chose to improve his rotation by having Mott come off the bench early and substitute for either Jones or Jacobs, his 5 and 4 and put Shaver at the 2 and move Coburn to the 3. AGAIN, in the 4th quarter in close games, after Balogh's rotation had served its purpose, the lineup on the floor was Jones, Jacobs, Mott, Coburn and Shaver. Comprende amigo?
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 18, 2018 21:32:29 GMT -5
Well what I do know is that your coach told our coach that the player was being a shidhaead so he was removed from the starting lineup. If you say that is not true then talk to your own coach.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 18, 2018 21:46:18 GMT -5
AGAIN in close games in the 4th quarter the players on the floor were Jones, Jacobs, shidhead, Coburn and Shaver.
Well, I am above mentioning all the shidheads I've known and been told about at Clear Fork over the years.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 18, 2018 22:03:15 GMT -5
AGAIN, we are talking about STARTERS. Not 4th quarters. And the shidhead was mentioned by your coach. Not by anyone from Clear Fork.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 18, 2018 23:39:26 GMT -5
AGAIN, we are talking about STARTERS. Not 4th quarters. And the shidhead was mentioned by your coach. Not by anyone from Clear Fork. AGAIN they were both starters last year. You're the shidhead from Clear Fork that first broached the subject on here. Rather juvenile, even for one of them.
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Post by lozenger4 on Jul 19, 2018 8:04:18 GMT -5
Goodness gracious this is painful. Can't you guys just say, "I see what you're getting at" and move on?
Nobody starts the same 5 guys every game. Sometimes better players come off the bench for floor balance. The 5 players the coach trusts the most usually finish close games. No need to get nasty about it. Yikes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 11:22:07 GMT -5
Goodness gracious this is painful. Can't you guys just say, "I see what you're getting at" and move on? Nobody starts the same 5 guys every game. Sometimes better players come off the bench for floor balance. The 5 players the coach trusts the most usually finish close games. No need to get nasty about it. Yikes. I'm with ya but I would add that, from the games I watch, many coaches do start the same 5 guys every game, unless injuries or illness factors in. 5 players start and 5 players finish. You cannot have more than 5 for either part of a game.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 19, 2018 13:23:30 GMT -5
Allow me to educate you further about Ontario basketball. Which you obviously know next to nothing about. Being from DEEP in the valley. Mott did not "lose" his starting position to Shaver half way through the season. Due to your ignorance of the Ontario roster last year and lack of knowledge of how Balogh thinks, this is EXACTLY what occurred. Due to only having 2 post players of substance on the roster last year and Shaver improving. Instead of the 6-4 Mott starting at the 3 position. Balogh chose to improve his rotation by having Mott come off the bench early and substitute for either Jones or Jacobs, his 5 and 4 and put Shaver at the 2 and move Coburn to the 3. I was educating you on some Ontario basketball with what your coach said. You must not know how he thinks. But that's okay, we all know your love for your school blocks reality sometimes.
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Post by usa70pp on Jul 19, 2018 14:36:36 GMT -5
Allow me to educate you further about Ontario basketball. Which you obviously know next to nothing about. Being from DEEP in the valley. Mott did not "lose" his starting position to Shaver half way through the season. Due to your ignorance of the Ontario roster last year and lack of knowledge of how Balogh thinks, this is EXACTLY what occurred. Due to only having 2 post players of substance on the roster last year and Shaver improving. Instead of the 6-4 Mott starting at the 3 position. Balogh chose to improve his rotation by having Mott come off the bench early and substitute for either Jones or Jacobs, his 5 and 4 and put Shaver at the 2 and move Coburn to the 3. I was educating you on some Ontario basketball with what your coach said. You must not know how he thinks. But that's okay, we all know your love for your school blocks reality sometimes. ohioraised, Kettle, meet pot.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 19, 2018 17:40:29 GMT -5
Allow me to educate you further about Ontario basketball. Which you obviously know next to nothing about. Being from DEEP in the valley. Mott did not "lose" his starting position to Shaver half way through the season. Due to your ignorance of the Ontario roster last year and lack of knowledge of how Balogh thinks, this is EXACTLY what occurred. Due to only having 2 post players of substance on the roster last year and Shaver improving. Instead of the 6-4 Mott starting at the 3 position. Balogh chose to improve his rotation by having Mott come off the bench early and substitute for either Jones or Jacobs, his 5 and 4 and put Shaver at the 2 and move Coburn to the 3. I was educating you on some Ontario basketball with what your coach said. You must not know how he thinks. But that's okay, we all know your love for your school blocks reality sometimes. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. The difference is you blather it on here, I don't stoop that low. I'll tell Joe what you said, he won't tell the coach anything in confidence again, and that coach won't make the mistake of telling you anything about other team's players again, since you can't keep your yap shut when told something in confidence. Your obvious disdain for Ontario blocks your good sense.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 19, 2018 18:01:46 GMT -5
Goodness gracious this is painful. Can't you guys just say, "I see what you're getting at" and move on? Nobody starts the same 5 guys every game. Sometimes better players come off the bench for floor balance. The 5 players the coach trusts the most usually finish close games. No need to get nasty about it. Yikes. I'm with ya but I would add that, from the games I watch, many coaches do start the same 5 guys every game, unless injuries or illness factors in. 5 players start and 5 players finish. You cannot have more than 5 for either part of a game. Balogh does.
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 22, 2018 20:34:57 GMT -5
I forgot you act like your are 12? Go ahead and tell your coach and remind him he said he has a shidhead on his roster. No one broke confidence. Your coach said it right on the sideline in from the the seats. I heard it straight from him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 6:18:37 GMT -5
Allow me to educate you further about Ontario basketball. Which you obviously know next to nothing about. Being from DEEP in the valley. Mott did not "lose" his starting position to Shaver half way through the season. Due to your ignorance of the Ontario roster last year and lack of knowledge of how Balogh thinks, this is EXACTLY what occurred. Due to only having 2 post players of substance on the roster last year and Shaver improving. Instead of the 6-4 Mott starting at the 3 position. Balogh chose to improve his rotation by having Mott come off the bench early and substitute for either Jones or Jacobs, his 5 and 4 and put Shaver at the 2 and move Coburn to the 3. AGAIN, in the 4th quarter in close games, after Balogh's rotation had served its purpose, the lineup on the floor was Jones, Jacobs, Mott, Coburn and Shaver. Comprende amigo? It’s not possible for another human being to know what another human being is thinking.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 23, 2018 18:07:04 GMT -5
What are you thinking??
The word thinking nor a synonym of the word thinking is no where to be found in that post.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 23, 2018 18:11:20 GMT -5
I forgot you act like your are 12? Go ahead and tell your coach and remind him he said he has a shidhead on his roster. No one broke confidence. Your coach said it right on the sideline in from the the seats. I heard it straight from him. SO, when you originally told us that a Clear Fork coach told you, you were being untruthful? I forget that your intellect is lacking when it comes to reading and comprehending the English language. AGAIN, I said I was well aware. The difference is, I am not down at the slime level where you exist. I didn't post it on here for the world to read. Based on your actions, you are the REAL "shidhead".
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Post by ohioraised on Jul 23, 2018 19:27:51 GMT -5
ROFL...ROFL...ROFL...ROFL
Great attempt at a smack down with the intellect is lacking when it comes to reading and comprehending the English language. Specially when you could not comprehend that I said your coach told our coach about your shidhead. The shidheads are from Ontario. Nobody is blocking me.
ROLF...ROFL...ROFL...ROFL
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