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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 7:28:14 GMT -5
I have a basketball solution that might even out the playing field. Might work for other sports too. Bare minimum all Private Schools are D2,,unless their enrollment is at D1 level then they go to D1 . Don't agree at all with privately selecting the student athletes and being in D3 or D4 and making it to State year after year. Not a level playing field whatsoever,,girls as well as boys. Small town schools that get that once in a generation talent pool and team,,should not have to face an almost unwinnable game vs the scenario that the Private Schools bring . Nothing wrong with the Private Schools if a parent has the chance to send their child there, but it's not fare to have your cake and eat it too with the competition they will face in the Tournaments. Perfect example is a couple years ago,,Tiny Attica Seneca East having to get past a Columbus Afrincentric to make to State in Girls Hoops should not happen. They should be matched up an Archbold or someone like that. Columbus A should have to get past a Toledo Rogers type NW Region team to make and win State. So in your idea how would that be fair to the D2 public schools that for must part are small cities? Clyde, Bellevue, Perkins, ect
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 18, 2018 7:33:31 GMT -5
The D2 level schools have a larger talent pool of kids to pick from I guess would be the argument. It just needs to be closer to fair than what currently is in place.
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 18, 2018 7:50:24 GMT -5
what do we do with public schools that abuse the open enrollment?
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Post by bat21 on Mar 18, 2018 17:04:35 GMT -5
Let’s try to fix one thing at a time . Put all the privates in their own bracket. Flight them according to size ... and let them try to out bid each other for the talent.
Public schools can continue with their brackets as per usual.
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 18, 2018 20:06:37 GMT -5
I have a basketball solution that might even out the playing field. Might work for other sports too. Bare minimum all Private Schools are D2,,unless their enrollment is at D1 level then they go to D1 . Don't agree at all with privately selecting the student athletes and being in D3 or D4 and making it to State year after year. Not a level playing field whatsoever,,girls as well as boys. Small town schools that get that once in a generation talent pool and team,,should not have to face an almost unwinnable game vs the scenario that the Private Schools bring . Nothing wrong with the Private Schools if a parent has the chance to send their child there, but it's not fare to have your cake and eat it too with the competition they will face in the Tournaments. Perfect example is a couple years ago,,Tiny Attica Seneca East having to get past a Columbus Afrincentric to make it to State in Girls Hoops should not happen. They should be matched up with an Archbold or someone like that. Columbus A should have to get past a Toledo Rogers type NW Region team to make and win State. Public schools do the same thing ALL THE TIME!!! Kids open enroll almost anywhere. Kids play at one school one year and then "move" 15 min away and transfer to a better basktball situation and can play day one with absolutely no punshment. Apparently this is perfectly fine. I even saw an interview with one girl from Rogers who said "I came to Rogers to win a State Championship", indicating the "choice" the student made to attend Rogers. Imagine the uproar if that would have been a private school? Can you please tell me the difference between talented kids deciding to play together at a private school instead of a public school? All private schools should be D2 or greater? Lets look at some of these D4 recruiting powerhouses... NW Ohio private school Girls Records this year: Calvert 4-17, SMCC 8-15, SJCC: 21-4 (lead by 5 seniors who have played together since 4th grade and most of their parents also attended SJCC), Cardinal Stritch 7-16, Emmanual Christian 8-14, Toledo Christian 13-10, MVCD 13-10, St. Paul 13-8. Comparing Columbus Africentric with Tiffin Calvert or Sandusky St. Mary is just plain silly. I honestly don't believe this is a public/private school issue... it's a large area/small area issue. The choices students have in Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo are a whole lot different than Attica, Tiffin or Fremont. Maybe they could find a way to "pool" schools together in the tournament based on the number of students within a certain number of miles (instead of school district, because SD doesn't mean anything with open enrollment)? If athletics are important enough to a student and the parents are on board, they are going to find a way to play for the school they want to play with weather that is a public or private school.
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 18, 2018 20:13:11 GMT -5
Let’s try to fix one thing at a time . Put all the privates in their own bracket. Flight them according to size ... and let them try to out bid each other for the talent. Public schools can continue with their brackets as per usual. Can you please explain why it is ok for Rogers to recruit a State Championship team but it is not ok for a private school? I really don't see the difference.
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Post by deathfromabove on Mar 19, 2018 8:06:48 GMT -5
Gentleman, If this new rule passes than we most likely would not have to worry on this. The way I see it, and please someone tell me if I'm wrong on this, the new rule would put a transfer student sitting out the last game and the tournament games so that should even the playing field for awhile. Dude, I know you and Willard would know this if I'm right or wrong. Oh Lord it's hard to be humble, when I'm perfect in everyway. ROFL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 8:23:14 GMT -5
Gentleman, If this new rule passes than we most likely would not have to worry on this. The way I see it, and please someone tell me if I'm wrong on this, the new rule would put a transfer student sitting out the last game and the tournament games so that should even the playing field for awhile. Dude, I know you would know this if I'm right or wrong. Oh Lord it's hard to be humble, when I'm perfect in everyway. ROFL The new rule change if passed would put a transfer student sitting out the second half of the season and any post season play. Instead of the first half of their season which is being done now. I feel it would certainly stop all seniors from changing schools.
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Post by Hagen on Mar 19, 2018 8:58:10 GMT -5
The new rule change if passed would put a transfer student sitting out the second half of the season and any post season play. Instead of the first half of their season which is being done now. I feel it would certainly stop all seniors from changing schools. It would only stop seniors from transferring (as much). It will ramp up the 6th-9th grade transfers. If a freshman only has to sit out one postseason, but can play for 3 state titles 10th-12th years, they'll still do it. Everything has its negative effects, but overall, I do think the new rule will help some.
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Post by deathfromabove on Mar 19, 2018 9:39:46 GMT -5
Gentleman, If this new rule passes than we most likely would not have to worry on this. The way I see it, and please someone tell me if I'm wrong on this, the new rule would put a transfer student sitting out the last game and the tournament games so that should even the playing field for awhile. Dude, I know you would know this if I'm right or wrong. Oh Lord it's hard to be humble, when I'm perfect in everyway. ROFL The new rule change if passed would put a transfer student sitting out the second half of the season and any post season play. Instead of the first half of their season which is being done now. I feel it would certainly stop all seniors from changing schools. Thank you Dude, I knew it was something like that but wasn't sure if it was the whole second half and tourney or the last game and the tourney. Do you think it will pass or not and would this rule have any effect on teams like Cornerstone and other schools that are in the big cities and does recruited like Columbus Afrocentric did and was caught and have to give the state trophy back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 11:59:29 GMT -5
The new rule change if passed would put a transfer student sitting out the second half of the season and any post season play. Instead of the first half of their season which is being done now. I feel it would certainly stop all seniors from changing schools. It would only stop seniors from transferring (as much). It will ramp up the 6th-9th grade transfers. If a freshman only has to sit out one postseason, but can play for 3 state titles 10th-12th years, they'll still do it. Everything has its negative effects, but overall, I do think the new rule will help some. The kids that move in 6th grade have never been a concern and the ones from 7-8th grade are not discussed as much. The kids that change teams after 9th grade are only a discussed if they are giving varsity minutes. I believe this new rule will pass and the major prime time players will not be happy to sit out any of their final 3 tournament runs. So if it does what it is designed to do, it could cut down high school transfers after 10th grade by a big number.
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Post by Hagen on Mar 19, 2018 12:24:51 GMT -5
... I believe this new rule will pass and the major prime time players will not be happy to sit out any of their final 3 tournament runs. So if it does what it is designed to do, it could cut down high school transfers after 10th grade by a big number. I hope & think it will pass. There will be continued exceptions given, but hopefully it will cut down on the glaring/obvious ones.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 19, 2018 15:07:23 GMT -5
Let’s try to fix one thing at a time . Put all the privates in their own bracket. Flight them according to size ... and let them try to out bid each other for the talent. Public schools can continue with their brackets as per usual. The problem with that scenario. The privates would then create their own Ohio Sports Organization and would no longer fall under OHSAA bylaws and could actually ramp up recruiting of public school athletes, be out in the open about it and even offer inducements. And could not be punished, since they would no longer be an OHSAA school.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 19, 2018 15:08:32 GMT -5
what do we do with public schools that abuse the open enrollment? How do public schools abuse open enrollment?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 19, 2018 15:16:17 GMT -5
I have a basketball solution that might even out the playing field. Might work for other sports too. Bare minimum all Private Schools are D2,,unless their enrollment is at D1 level then they go to D1 . Don't agree at all with privately selecting the student athletes and being in D3 or D4 and making it to State year after year. Not a level playing field whatsoever,,girls as well as boys. Small town schools that get that once in a generation talent pool and team,,should not have to face an almost unwinnable game vs the scenario that the Private Schools bring . Nothing wrong with the Private Schools if a parent has the chance to send their child there, but it's not fare to have your cake and eat it too with the competition they will face in the Tournaments. Perfect example is a couple years ago,,Tiny Attica Seneca East having to get past a Columbus Afrincentric to make it to State in Girls Hoops should not happen. They should be matched up with an Archbold or someone like that. Columbus A should have to get past a Toledo Rogers type NW Region team to make and win State. Public schools do the same thing ALL THE TIME!!! Kids open enroll almost anywhere. Kids play at one school one year and then "move" 15 min away and transfer to a better basktball situation and can play day one with absolutely no punshment. Apparently this is perfectly fine. I even saw an interview with one girl from Rogers who said "I came to Rogers to win a State Championship", indicating the "choice" the student made to attend Rogers. Imagine the uproar if that would have been a private school? Can you please tell me the difference between talented kids deciding to play together at a private school instead of a public school? All private schools should be D2 or greater? Lets look at some of these D4 recruiting powerhouses... NW Ohio private school Girls Records this year: Calvert 4-17, SMCC 8-15, SJCC: 21-4 (lead by 5 seniors who have played together since 4th grade and most of their parents also attended SJCC), Cardinal Stritch 7-16, Emmanual Christian 8-14, Toledo Christian 13-10, MVCD 13-10, St. Paul 13-8. Comparing Columbus Africentric with Tiffin Calvert or Sandusky St. Mary is just plain silly. I honestly don't believe this is a public/private school issue... it's a large area/small area issue. The choices students have in Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo are a whole lot different than Attica, Tiffin or Fremont. Maybe they could find a way to "pool" schools together in the tournament based on the number of students within a certain number of miles (instead of school district, because SD doesn't mean anything with open enrollment)? If athletics are important enough to a student and the parents are on board, they are going to find a way to play for the school they want to play with weather that is a public or private school. Your example is now impossible. If you Open Enroll you can only play in half of the games in a season, in all sports you played the previous year at the school district you came from. The only way it is possible these days is if the parents want to go through the hassle of REALLY moving their ENTIRE family three times a year to new houses or apartments in different school districts
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 19, 2018 15:21:00 GMT -5
It would only stop seniors from transferring (as much). It will ramp up the 6th-9th grade transfers. If a freshman only has to sit out one postseason, but can play for 3 state titles 10th-12th years, they'll still do it. Everything has its negative effects, but overall, I do think the new rule will help some. The kids that move in 6th grade have never been a concern and the ones from 7-8th grade are not discussed as much. The kids that change teams after 9th grade are only a discussed if they are giving varsity minutes. I believe this new rule will pass and the major prime time players will not be happy to sit out any of their final 3 tournament runs. So if it does what it is designed to do, it could cut down high school transfers after 10th grade by a big number. Kids that open enroll after the first day of 7th grade are counted in the Competitive Balance formula for 4 years once they become a 9th grader.
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 19, 2018 17:07:19 GMT -5
Public schools do the same thing ALL THE TIME!!! Kids open enroll almost anywhere. Kids play at one school one year and then "move" 15 min away and transfer to a better basktball situation and can play day one with absolutely no punshment. Apparently this is perfectly fine. I even saw an interview with one girl from Rogers who said "I came to Rogers to win a State Championship", indicating the "choice" the student made to attend Rogers. Imagine the uproar if that would have been a private school? Can you please tell me the difference between talented kids deciding to play together at a private school instead of a public school? All private schools should be D2 or greater? Lets look at some of these D4 recruiting powerhouses... NW Ohio private school Girls Records this year: Calvert 4-17, SMCC 8-15, SJCC: 21-4 (lead by 5 seniors who have played together since 4th grade and most of their parents also attended SJCC), Cardinal Stritch 7-16, Emmanual Christian 8-14, Toledo Christian 13-10, MVCD 13-10, St. Paul 13-8. Comparing Columbus Africentric with Tiffin Calvert or Sandusky St. Mary is just plain silly. I honestly don't believe this is a public/private school issue... it's a large area/small area issue. The choices students have in Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo are a whole lot different than Attica, Tiffin or Fremont. Maybe they could find a way to "pool" schools together in the tournament based on the number of students within a certain number of miles (instead of school district, because SD doesn't mean anything with open enrollment)? If athletics are important enough to a student and the parents are on board, they are going to find a way to play for the school they want to play with weather that is a public or private school. Your example is now impossible. If you Open Enroll you can only play in half of the games in a season, in all sports you played the previous year at the school district you came from. The only way it is possible these days is if the parents want to go through the hassle of REALLY moving their ENTIRE family three times a year to new houses or apartments in different school districts I said nothing about kids transfering 3 times a year... not sure where you got that from. My example is exactly what happened this year, girl played at Bellevue last year and Ross this year and did not sit out one game. I did said that they "Moved" 15 min away. Since that is one of the 11 reasons you can transfer without penalty, this new rule will do absoultely nothing to stop schools from building powerhouses with transfers. If a parent wants their kid to play at a certian school... there are 11 ways to make it happen without penalty. I especailly like this way... " Exception 4-Self-Supporting Status: If the student does not live in the same district as his/her parents and is financially selfsupporting, he/she may be ruled eligible at the school in which the student resides. Selfsupporting documentation must be submitted for approval every 30 days." So in other words, a school could arrange for some company to give a student a high paying job and the kid would be free to live and play at any school they wanted! Seriously, this is Exception #4 of 11! Are there really that many self-supporting high school students that they needed to put this exception in the rulebook? It is a joke. Changing the sit-out rule to include tournaments is not going to stop the schools who are serious about cheating. As you can see, the standard for exceptions to the rule are not very high.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 19, 2018 19:07:16 GMT -5
A school arranging for a company to give a student a high paying job JUST to play a sport at another school is illegal.
This rule was made for 18-19 year old kids who have moved out to get away from what they perceive is a bad household. YES, and the best paying job they could get and an inexpensive apartment is in another school district. EXAMPLE, you attend a little school in a cross road town, that doesn't even have a McDonalds to work at. They would have to go to a bigger town in another school district to find any job when they move out.
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 19, 2018 19:49:38 GMT -5
A school arranging for a company to give a student a high paying job JUST to play a sport at another school is illegal. This rule was made for 18-19 year old kids who have moved out to get away from what they perceive is a bad household. YES, and the best paying job they could get and an inexpensive apartment is in another school district. EXAMPLE, you attend a little school in a cross road town, that doesn't even have a McDonalds to work at. They would have to go to a bigger town in another school district to find any job when they move out. JMHO Sorry to break this to you Willard, but people do illegal stuff all the time.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 19, 2018 21:27:09 GMT -5
EXACTLY!!! THUS, nothing is ever going to make you feel better about student athletes and their families moving. Families using Ohio's Open Enrollment Program to get their students into a better situation in another school district or transferring in any shape, manner or form, legal or illegal. It is what it is, what it will always be. Sorry to break this to you. WE ALL KNOW IT! You're not telling us anything we haven't already heard a hundred times. These whining threads and posts come out of the wood work every year. It doesn't help, unless it makes you feel better.
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 20, 2018 5:47:38 GMT -5
EXACTLY!!! THUS, nothing is ever going to make you feel better about student athletes and their families moving. Families using Ohio's Open Enrollment Program to get their students into a better situation in another school district or transferring in any shape, manner or form, legal or illegal. It is what it is, what it will always be. Sorry to break this to you. WE ALL KNOW IT! You're not telling us anything we haven't already heard a hundred times. These whining threads and posts come out of the wood work every year. It doesn't help, unless it makes you feel better. Make up your mind Willard. A few posts ago you said "Your example is now impossible." When I give you an example of it happening this year, you say "It is what it is, what it will always be. Sorry to break this to you. WE ALL KNOW IT!" So according to you it is both impossible and it happens all the time? A few post ago you say "A school arranging for a company to give a student a high paying job JUST to play a sport at another school is illegal. " (Making it sound like if something is illegal nobody will do it.) When I inform you that people do illegal things all the time... your response is "EXACTLY!!!" (Exactly? Do you realize that my point was the exact opposite of yours?). Seriously Willard, you may as well just start your own thread and argue with yourself.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 20, 2018 15:16:37 GMT -5
Per usual for this time of year there are multiple needless threads about "transferring". In one of them someone told a story about what they did when they were a Senior. Playing 3 different sports at 3 different schools. As I noticed, after the fact, it was not you. My "mind" is crustal clear regarding "transfers". Your "mind" is the one that has issues.
It is no longer feasible to play 3 different sports at 3 different schools in ones Senior year in high school. There was a time when one could do that, no longer. It would be such a blatant infraction the schools themselves would not allow it or they would be punished.
What you're whining about is perfectly legal according to the OHSAA Bylaws. There is no rule against a PROPER move from one school district to another.
YOU made a supposition about a school and a business conspiring to get a teenager a high paying job in another district so he/she would be able to declare him/herself as independent of their parents. Can you site a example? If not it's just your "mind" working over time to come up with an improbable outlandish occurrence.
You do not have to inform ANYONE that illegalities occur all the time. Thus my EXACTLY!!. BUT compared to all of the proper actions, they are minuscule in comparison.
What you should take away from this is....that you're whining about a LEGAL transfer from Bellevue to Fremont makes you look trivial and your general whining about possible illegal transfers, that you can't sight an example of, is a waste of time. Have a good time giving yourself a stroke over minor life occurrences.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 20, 2018 15:47:21 GMT -5
I’ll say it for the ?’th this is not entirely a public/private thing. We all have to acknowledge that there are public schools with good programs in a particular sport that draw move ins. I will concede that under current OHSAA rules it is easier for privates. That will be hard to level 100% by the very nature of the fact private schools draw from a geographic area that encompasses multiple school districts. People actually enroll their children in private schools for reasons other than athletics and you can’t punish them if the kid plays a sport. You could minimize that by making them all designate a geographic area of draw. That way if a Mentor kid enrolls at St. Ignatious you could make an argument he drove past a few pretty good academic, Catholic schools on his way to the football program on the west side.
Move ins are like pornography. It’s hard to define, but you’ll know it when you see it. Who are we kidding? Everyone knows in an area when a kid is moving for athletics and not because dad got a new job. Administration should do their job and police it. It’s high school sports for gosh sakes. Isn’t it about teaching kids the right thing to do...sigh.
The OHSAA could also go a long way by making a competitive balance formula with some teeth. It would have to be different for each sport. A single move in can make a bigger difference in b-ball than f-ball. If, say, two move ins make the varsity b-ball team you jump a division coaches would have to think that one through.
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 20, 2018 16:19:40 GMT -5
I’ll say it for the ?’th this is not entirely a public/private thing. We all have to acknowledge that there are public schools with good programs in a particular sport that draw move ins. I will concede that under current OHSAA rules it is easier for privates. That will be hard to level 100% by the very nature of the fact private schools draw from a geographic area that encompasses multiple school districts. People actually enroll their children in private schools for reasons other than athletics and you can’t punish them if the kid plays a sport. You could minimize that by making them all designate a geographic area of draw. That way if a Mentor kid enrolls at St. Ignatious you could make an argument he drove past a few pretty good academic, Catholic schools on his way to the football program on the west side. Move ins are like pornography. It’s hard to define, but you’ll know it when you see it. Who are we kidding? Everyone knows in an area when a kid is moving for athletics and not because dad got a new job. Administration should do their job and police it. It’s high school sports for gosh sakes. Isn’t it about teaching kids the right thing to do...sigh. The OHSAA could also go a long way by making a competitive balance formula with some teeth. It would have to be different for each sport. A single move in can make a bigger difference in b-ball than f-ball. If, say, two move ins make the varsity b-ball team you jump a division coaches would have to think that one through. Well said Fan! I agree with almost everything you said with the exception of the privates having it easier because of multiple school districts. With public school open enrollment you don't need to live in the same district you go to school in. All your other points are spot on!
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 20, 2018 16:24:51 GMT -5
Per usual for this time of year there are multiple needless threads about "transferring". In one of them someone told a story about what they did when they were a Senior. Playing 3 different sports at 3 different schools. As I noticed, after the fact, it was not you. My "mind" is crustal clear regarding "transfers". Your "mind" is the one that has issues. It is no longer feasible to play 3 different sports at 3 different schools in ones Senior year in high school. There was a time when one could do that, no longer. It would be such a blatant infraction the schools themselves would not allow it or they would be punished. What you're whining about is perfectly legal according to the OHSAA Bylaws. There is no rule against a PROPER move from one school district to another. YOU made a supposition about a school and a business conspiring to get a teenager a high paying job in another district so he/she would be able to declare him/herself as independent of their parents. Can you site a example? If not it's just your "mind" working over time to come up with an improbable outlandish occurrence. You do not have to inform ANYONE that illegalities occur all the time. Thus my EXACTLY!!. BUT compared to all of the proper actions, they are minuscule in comparison. What you should take away from this is....that you're whining about a LEGAL transfer from Bellevue to Fremont makes you look trivial and your general whining about possible illegal transfers, that you can't sight an example of, is a waste of time. Have a good time giving yourself a stroke over minor life occurrences. JMHO I get it now! When Willard signs of with JMHO, it stands for "Just My Horrible Opinion".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 17:01:22 GMT -5
Per usual for this time of year there are multiple needless threads about "transferring". In one of them someone told a story about what they did when they were a Senior. Playing 3 different sports at 3 different schools. As I noticed, after the fact, it was not you. My "mind" is crustal clear regarding "transfers". Your "mind" is the one that has issues. It is no longer feasible to play 3 different sports at 3 different schools in ones Senior year in high school. There was a time when one could do that, no longer. It would be such a blatant infraction the schools themselves would not allow it or they would be punished. What you're whining about is perfectly legal according to the OHSAA Bylaws. There is no rule against a PROPER move from one school district to another. YOU made a supposition about a school and a business conspiring to get a teenager a high paying job in another district so he/she would be able to declare him/herself as independent of their parents. Can you site a example? If not it's just your "mind" working over time to come up with an improbable outlandish occurrence. You do not have to inform ANYONE that illegalities occur all the time. Thus my EXACTLY!!. BUT compared to all of the proper actions, they are minuscule in comparison. What you should take away from this is....that you're whining about a LEGAL transfer from Bellevue to Fremont makes you look trivial and your general whining about possible illegal transfers, that you can't sight an example of, is a waste of time. Have a good time giving yourself a stroke over minor life occurrences. JMHO I get it now! When Willard signs of with JMHO, it stands for "Just My Horrible Opinion". 😂😂😂 best post ever.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 20, 2018 18:58:40 GMT -5
I’ll say it for the ?’th this is not entirely a public/private thing. We all have to acknowledge that there are public schools with good programs in a particular sport that draw move ins. I will concede that under current OHSAA rules it is easier for privates. That will be hard to level 100% by the very nature of the fact private schools draw from a geographic area that encompasses multiple school districts. People actually enroll their children in private schools for reasons other than athletics and you can’t punish them if the kid plays a sport. You could minimize that by making them all designate a geographic area of draw. That way if a Mentor kid enrolls at St. Ignatious you could make an argument he drove past a few pretty good academic, Catholic schools on his way to the football program on the west side. Move ins are like pornography. It’s hard to define, but you’ll know it when you see it. Who are we kidding? Everyone knows in an area when a kid is moving for athletics and not because dad got a new job. Administration should do their job and police it. It’s high school sports for gosh sakes. Isn’t it about teaching kids the right thing to do...sigh. The OHSAA could also go a long way by making a competitive balance formula with some teeth. It would have to be different for each sport. A single move in can make a bigger difference in b-ball than f-ball. If, say, two move ins make the varsity b-ball team you jump a division coaches would have to think that one through. Well said Fan! I agree with almost everything you said with the exception of the privates having it easier because of multiple school districts. With public school open enrollment you don't need to live in the same district you go to school in. All your other points are spot on! Thank you. Unless things have changed (and they seem to every year) an athlete can transfer into a private once after the ninth grade without sitting. Not a huge advantage, but a little. Someone can enlighten me if that’s no longer true.
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 20, 2018 19:14:56 GMT -5
Well said Fan! I agree with almost everything you said with the exception of the privates having it easier because of multiple school districts. With public school open enrollment you don't need to live in the same district you go to school in. All your other points are spot on! Thank you. Unless things have changed (and they seem to every year) an athlete can transfer into a private once after the ninth grade without sitting. Not a huge advantage, but a little. Someone can enlighten me if that’s no longer true. Hey Fan, a few years ago when the Woodmore football coach took over at St. Joe, his son who was going into his Junior year came to SJ with him and he had to sit out the first 5 games.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 21, 2018 15:30:33 GMT -5
Per usual for this time of year there are multiple needless threads about "transferring". In one of them someone told a story about what they did when they were a Senior. Playing 3 different sports at 3 different schools. As I noticed, after the fact, it was not you. My "mind" is crustal clear regarding "transfers". Your "mind" is the one that has issues. It is no longer feasible to play 3 different sports at 3 different schools in ones Senior year in high school. There was a time when one could do that, no longer. It would be such a blatant infraction the schools themselves would not allow it or they would be punished. What you're whining about is perfectly legal according to the OHSAA Bylaws. There is no rule against a PROPER move from one school district to another. YOU made a supposition about a school and a business conspiring to get a teenager a high paying job in another district so he/she would be able to declare him/herself as independent of their parents. Can you site a example? If not it's just your "mind" working over time to come up with an improbable outlandish occurrence. You do not have to inform ANYONE that illegalities occur all the time. Thus my EXACTLY!!. BUT compared to all of the proper actions, they are minuscule in comparison. What you should take away from this is....that you're whining about a LEGAL transfer from Bellevue to Fremont makes you look trivial and your general whining about possible illegal transfers, that you can't sight an example of, is a waste of time. Have a good time giving yourself a stroke over minor life occurrences. JMHO I get it now! When Willard signs of with JMHO, it stands for "Just My Horrible Opinion". Typical retort of a LOSER.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 21, 2018 16:14:38 GMT -5
I’ll say it for the ?’th this is not entirely a public/private thing. We all have to acknowledge that there are public schools with good programs in a particular sport that draw move ins. I will concede that under current OHSAA rules it is easier for privates. That will be hard to level 100% by the very nature of the fact private schools draw from a geographic area that encompasses multiple school districts. People actually enroll their children in private schools for reasons other than athletics and you can’t punish them if the kid plays a sport. You could minimize that by making them all designate a geographic area of draw. That way if a Mentor kid enrolls at St. Ignatious you could make an argument he drove past a few pretty good academic, Catholic schools on his way to the football program on the west side. Move ins are like pornography. It’s hard to define, but you’ll know it when you see it. Who are we kidding? Everyone knows in an area when a kid is moving for athletics and not because dad got a new job. Administration should do their job and police it. It’s high school sports for gosh sakes. Isn’t it about teaching kids the right thing to do...sigh. The OHSAA could also go a long way by making a competitive balance formula with some teeth. It would have to be different for each sport. A single move in can make a bigger difference in b-ball than f-ball. If, say, two move ins make the varsity b-ball team you jump a division coaches would have to think that one through. Recently the OHSAA drew up "attendance zones" for private schools, What you call a "geographic area". Thus in your example, a Mentor student could no longer drive past other private schools to go to St. Ignatious[sic], without being counted in Iggy's CB adder. It is not possible to tell parents they can't send their child to the private school they want to, but now, if outside their "attendance zone" it affects their Competitive Balance Number. Which brings up the biggest down fall of the Competitive Balance Bylaws. LARGE schools, private OR public, that are in DI CAN'T be put into a higher Division, using the Competitive Balance Forum, so they lose nothing. Again, you can not tell families where they must live or can't move to. That right is held in the Privileges and Immunity Clause of the US Constitution. The OHSAA could attempt to put more "teeth" in their Bylaws, making families prove why the "move" was done AND to play a sport would not be an allowable reason. Difficult to prove the reason given is "unlawful", let alone being sued for denying freedom of movement. Very difficult to put more "teeth" in the Competitive Balance Bylaw. If a school is in the bottom 20% of a Division they can never be moved to a higher division with the Competitive Adder without moving most of the schools above them into a higher Division also. As it is now, if a school's enrollment unluckily puts them above the midpoint of a Division, the CB adder could move them to a higher Division, but a school in the bottom rungs of a Division with a higher CB adder wouldn't move up a Division. You can't legislate out the "luck" component. The CB formula IS now different for different sports. HOWEVER, are you aware that the OHSAA only deems it appropriate to use the CB Formula in what they have determined to be "team sports". Which is only 8 of the TWENTY-SEVEN sports they award State Championships in.
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