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Post by moneyball on Apr 16, 2018 17:54:48 GMT -5
I’m creating this thread so the public can be informed on the project. I know there is a meeting about the PAC before the election and the public is welcome to attend. Here are some of the facts as I know them and have a few questions with hopes that some members of this message board may know the answers.
1) How much is this new PAC going to cost to build?
2) What is the operating cost annually?
3) What is the term limit for this levy?
4) What happens to the funds generated from this levy after the PAC is built, if the levy passes?
5) Is this actually an operating levy and the PAC is being used to get it passed?
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 19, 2018 12:29:14 GMT -5
Willard is putting this on the May ballot and really not talking about it in hopes it can be quietly voted in, plus the City of Willard will be putting to vote to ask Willard residents for more money in November for the city.
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Post by moneyball on Apr 19, 2018 13:47:21 GMT -5
Willard is putting this on the May ballot and really not talking about it in hopes it can be quietly voted in, plus the City of Willard will be putting to vote to ask Willard residents for more money in November for the city. Too bad people in this community can't see through the smoke and mirrors. Educating the public on what is really going on is called integrity, not using a PAC to mask the truth. You are 100% accurate, they are keeping quiet in hopes that people don't realize this is an operating levy and they are using the PAC as a front. The school already has .75% so add another 1.25% and we are up to 2.00% tax levy for the school. Try and find another school in the area that is even close to this. 2% of $40,000 is $800 a year, $60,000 is $1200, $80,000 is $1600 and this is forever or at least until you retire, PER YEAR. Sneaky, they are. Trying to push this through as something it isn't. The reason they dropped the field house idea was they couldn't use it as a front for an operating levy so they found out someone wanted a new PAC and they thought, we have a shot at getting this operating levy passed and they don't have to call it an operating levy. I encourage everyone to go to the PAC Public Forum meeting on April 25th at 7:00PM in the Elementary Cafeteria. This is your chance to gather information to make the decision that fits your household income. |
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Post by buckeyekid on Apr 20, 2018 5:19:47 GMT -5
Moneyball you may wanna go see Coach Haas as he just wrote a Letter to the editor in support of the PAC being built---speak loud because he wears hearing aids LOL.
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Post by moneyball on Apr 20, 2018 5:36:59 GMT -5
Moneyball you may wanna go see Coach Haas as he just wrote a Letter to the editor in support of the PAC being built---speak loud because he wears hearing aids LOL. BK, I know Mr. Haas and have the utmost respect for him. However, he can support it and encourage the community to support it, that is his prerogative. What I want to know, is this levy SOLELY for the purpose of the PAC or is it a front for an operating levy? That is a fair question because it is being messaged as a PAC ONLY levy. You and I are both smarter than that. What is the additional tax dollars collected going to be used for and how much does this new PAC cost. I read that Beebe was going to raise $1MM dollars for the project, that would cover a large chunk of the construction alone. Not sure if that is going to happen now due to levy being put to vote. Transparency and controlled spending, that is all the taxpayers in this community want. |
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 23, 2018 10:39:18 GMT -5
Moneyball you may wanna go see Coach Haas as he just wrote a Letter to the editor in support of the PAC being built---speak loud because he wears hearing aids LOL. He is also retired and this will have zero effect on his retirement income. Change the levy to working and retirement income that gets taxed and watch Mr. Haas change his tone. |
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Post by moneyball on Apr 23, 2018 11:11:20 GMT -5
Moneyball you may wanna go see Coach Haas as he just wrote a Letter to the editor in support of the PAC being built---speak loud because he wears hearing aids LOL. He is also retired and this will have zero effect on his retirement income. Change the levy to working and retirement income that gets taxed and watch Mr. Haas change his tone. My hope, people get educated about this levy and make the right decision for themselves and their family. The loudest voice is the voice of a casted vote. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Apr 23, 2018 12:36:41 GMT -5
Moneyball you may wanna go see Coach Haas as he just wrote a Letter to the editor in support of the PAC being built---speak loud because he wears hearing aids LOL. He is also retired and this will have zero effect on his retirement income. Change the levy to working and retirement income that gets taxed and watch Mr. Haas change his tone. Tommy, I really hope you don't mean that. We have put in a lot of money on taxes though out our years and now that we are retired by either our age or by a mishap that wasn't our fault we kept paying for our schools, cities, state, and federal taxes. Now it's time for you young bucks to take over and do your share and I hope that when you reach our age you don't have to keep working just to keep a roof over your head and food in your belly.  |
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 23, 2018 13:26:21 GMT -5
I also work and pay taxes and honestly this is just too much for me to vote yes on. We were all told years ago that the cafetorium is all that Willard needs and that if we just voted yes for the new school that the schools wouldn't be going back to the taxpayer for more money. Now, it seems that promise has been abandoned because now Willard needs a multiple million dollar state of the art PAC. We as tax payers pay enough already for Willard and I have no problem with the new school and pitching in for it, but this is now turning into abuse of the tax payers.
I can promise you that if Kathleen McNeal, who is promoting this big time around town, has to pay for this, she wouldn't be promoting it. Her slogan is, vote yes if you are retired, it won't effect you! Great slogan.
Willard is taxed to death, bottom line and its time to say no and let the school work with the new stuff they already have! I will be voting no this time around and I know many others will too. I haven't heard of one person voting yes that I have ran into.
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Post by deathfromabove on Apr 23, 2018 14:35:40 GMT -5
I also work and pay taxes and honestly this is just too much for me to vote yes on. We were all told years ago that the cafetorium is all that Willard needs and that if we just voted yes for the new school that the schools wouldn't be going back to the taxpayer for more money. Now, it seems that promise has been abandoned because now Willard needs a multiple million dollar state of the art PAC. We as tax payers pay enough already for Willard and I have no problem with the new school and pitching in for it, but this is now turning into abuse of the tax payers. I can promise you that if Kathleen McNeal, who is promoting this big time around town, has to pay for this, she wouldn't be promoting it. Her slogan is, vote yes if you are retired, it won't effect you! Great slogan. Willard is taxed to death, bottom line and its time to say no and let the school work with the new stuff they already have! I will be voting no this time around and I know many others will too. I haven't heard of one person voting yes that I have ran into. I'm glad that you pay your taxes. In Norwalk we was told if we pay for them to build our new school the school board they would not come back on us tax payers and ask for a new levy for I think was either 10 or 20 years. I can't remember which it was so I hope someone from here would come on tell me if I'm right or wrong but they said they wouldn't and they kept their promise. They might of thought if they didn't they would get voted out and strung up or something. Maybe you should do that down there in Willard. Good luck down there.   |
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 24, 2018 7:41:26 GMT -5
I also work and pay taxes and honestly this is just too much for me to vote yes on. We were all told years ago that the cafetorium is all that Willard needs and that if we just voted yes for the new school that the schools wouldn't be going back to the taxpayer for more money. Now, it seems that promise has been abandoned because now Willard needs a multiple million dollar state of the art PAC. We as tax payers pay enough already for Willard and I have no problem with the new school and pitching in for it, but this is now turning into abuse of the tax payers. I can promise you that if Kathleen McNeal, who is promoting this big time around town, has to pay for this, she wouldn't be promoting it. Her slogan is, vote yes if you are retired, it won't effect you! Great slogan. Willard is taxed to death, bottom line and its time to say no and let the school work with the new stuff they already have! I will be voting no this time around and I know many others will too. I haven't heard of one person voting yes that I have ran into. I'm glad that you pay your taxes. In Norwalk we was told if we pay for them to build our new school the school board they would not come back on us tax payers and ask for a new levy for I think was either 10 or 20 years. I can't remember which it was so I hope someone from here would come on tell me if I'm right or wrong but they said they wouldn't and they kept their promise. They might of thought if they didn't they would get voted out and strung up or something. Maybe you should do that down there in Willard. Good luck down there. Its one thing if there was some emergency that needed funding outside of the scope of what they could see in the near future but this here is just another want, not a need. |
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Post by moneyball on Apr 24, 2018 8:45:21 GMT -5
This should be an interesting meeting tomorrow night. I hope people show up because if you don't and it gets voted in it is an average of $1000 more in taxes a year for a household with two working parents making $40,000 each. That is a $1.04 per household per hour pay cut.
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Post by dumpp on Apr 24, 2018 10:46:53 GMT -5
How many families in Willard have both parents making $40,000?
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Post by moneyball on Apr 24, 2018 12:11:38 GMT -5
How many families in Willard have both parents making $40,000? Tit for tat. Regardless if they make $40,000 or $20,000 the example was stating what could happen to your yearly income based on this tax. I used $40,000 as my example and based on city calculations the tax will generate $1.9MM annually. Regardless, people will bring home less in their paycheck every week and this community has more important needs. To tax and burden taxpayers with this is wrong, IMO. |
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Post by dumpp on Apr 24, 2018 13:11:08 GMT -5
How many families in Willard have both parents making $40,000? Tit for tat. My girlfriend said that to me last night but in a different context. |
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Post by mrsteel on Apr 24, 2018 16:44:29 GMT -5
Never vote for an income tax.
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Post by deathfromabove on Apr 24, 2018 21:16:19 GMT -5
Its one thing if there was some emergency that needed funding outside of the scope of what they could see in the near future but this here is just another want, not a need. Tommy, You are right, if it was some kind of emergency that is another thing but asking you, the tax payers to fund the building of a new school and have it built to the specs. that you wanted then coming back to these same tax payers and tell them you want to add something else that you should of had done in the first place. tactless, very tactless. I hope you guys could get this settle and in the tax payers favor. Tell the school board to come up with a better solution and one that doesn't involve taking your hard working money out of your wallet. Have them go to the big business down there and have them put a big donation for it. GOOD LUCK!!! |
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Post by bat21 on May 9, 2018 7:42:43 GMT -5
That didn't take to long ... crushed
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Post by ScarletFever on May 13, 2018 16:50:31 GMT -5
This had 0% chance to pass, it was a 'feeling out' process just like the Cavs approach to game 1 v Boston.
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Post by kingmartinez on May 20, 2018 11:59:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 10:29:15 GMT -5
Why does a community and or school the size of Willard need a performing arts center?
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Post by tommygunn on May 21, 2018 11:24:05 GMT -5
Because Willard should be second to none - via an ex teacher; so Willard must build a mausoleum.
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Post by DrTorch on May 21, 2018 14:16:02 GMT -5
This is funny on so many levels it makes my mind hurt.
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Post by ScarletFever on May 21, 2018 15:55:40 GMT -5
This is funny on so many levels it makes my mind hurt. Torch u remember Willard's PAC / Theatre actually wasn't a bad joint, well they tore it down literally and put up a parking lot. Powers that be thought a 'cafetorium' (combo lunch room auditorium stage nonsense thing) would take care of everything. Well that can of magic beans didn't work out so now they want more $. Even as a dude that loved the PAC and theater at Willard, lol from me. |
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Post by deathfromabove on May 22, 2018 1:38:21 GMT -5
I know Willard and Norwalk are of different size, but Norwalk does use it's PAC an awful lot. Not only the school uses it for band concerts, plays, pep rally's and awards ceremony's but local company's also use it for meetings and trainings. Even our Elem. Schools and Jr.Hi. School uses it for their concerts. In a room next to stage area it is also used for lectures and is hooked up for computers use. Maybe Willard could get their factories like Donnelly's, Pepperidge Farms, Midwest and any or all factories and maybe the muck farms could help out with this also. Good luck Willard (no not you Fillmore, the city of Willard) I hope you guys can find away to maybe work this out. A PAC can be very useful for the whole community to have. Check out Norwalk on what their PAC is being used for and by whom.  |
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