2018-19 OCC

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I hear Mansfield got an Ontario transfer for football but he will also play basketball and is pretty good. Any other developments in the OCC? West Holmes has a new coach.

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Are the Wells brothers no longer at West Holmes?

[Willard Fillmore]

Jun 18, 2018 9:23:59 GMT -5 @scooter said:

I hear Mansfield got an Ontario transfer for football but he will also play basketball and is pretty good. Any other developments in the OCC? West Holmes has a new coach.

Last year Ontario didn't have a single kid who played both sports that will be good enough to play football and basketball for Senior this year. Yet another Shaver conspiracy story.

[averagejoe]

Mansfield will have 2 kids playing football and basketball this year that were at Ontario last year

[sport24278]

Jul 25, 2018 7:33:42 GMT -5 averagejoe said:

Mansfield will have 2 kids playing football and basketball this year that were at Ontario last year

That's impossible averagejoe. Please see Coach Fillmore's comment above.

[Willard Fillmore]

Jul 25, 2018 7:33:42 GMT -5 averagejoe said:

Mansfield will have 2 kids playing football and basketball this year that were at Ontario last year

Who are the 2 kids? How do you know they'll be playing? Just because NOW THEY say they're "playing" doesn't mean squat. Any head coach worth his salt would NEVER say a transfer in either sport is "playing" before the first practice. 

By playing do you mean JV team? When I say "Playing" I mean top 8 on varsity in basketball. In football there are 22 starters, when I say "playing" it would be one of those 22 on varsity.  Just being one of the 50 on the varsity football team doesn't count. Being a Senior basketball player on varsity that only plays mop up minutes doesn't count. In either case, by any stretch of the imagination that can't mean "playing. 

We know Harris is going to Mansfield, last year the 5-6 Harris couldn't start on a bad Ontario football team. Last year in basketball Harris, a PG, only made one shot further than 8 feet from the basket in 23 games and only made around a third of his shots when he drove to the basket. Does that sound like someone in the top 8 at Senior? 

There wasn't another kid in the varsity rotation in basketball at Ontario that even played football last year. 

There were a couple of Sophs on the JV basketball team that were decent football players, but terrible basketball players. 

Maybe they were in the marching band and pep band last year? 

AND remember joe, you're the one that started the Shaver conspiracy theory. You're the one that lied about a player being kicked off the basketball team last year. Your track record for truth and accuracy is really poor. 

My kids didn't have imaginary friends after the 2nd grade.

[averagejoe]

Todd and Harris will both play lots. i'm confused how Harris went from 5*9 and Ontario to 5*6 at Mansfield. guess I don't care. I never started any conspiracy, he was talking about leaving and that's what I said. and the kid who was talking of leaving is the one who said he was kicked out of the gym. and part of the reason he wanted to leave. it's not imaginary when youre friends with the players.

[Willard Fillmore]

IF Harris couldn't play "lots" for a bad Ontario football, how will he play "lots" for a very good Senior team. If Harris played poorly for a below average Ontario basketball team, how is he going to play "lots" for a much better Senior team? Harris won't start or be a major contributor in either sport. Who are you, Mr. Harris?

Don't believe what you read in high school sports programs. What was REALLY laughable, Harris told the people who do the football program that he was 5-11.  

You're the same as the FAKE NEWS these days. You post crap as soon as you hear rumors from teenagers, without doing your due diligence. FACT, Shaver did not transfer. FACT, no one was kicked of the basketball. FACT, I knew both were lies. FACT everyone knew about the Ontario kids transferring to Senior months ago. Your post made it sound like it was something new. 

ZERO for 3 for you. 

[dude]

Mansfield is loaded with athletes on both sides of the ball this fall. Adding Harris and Todd will only make them stronger for sure.

[ohioraised]

I think the MOAC was a good move for Clear Fork but I already miss the atmosphere of the OCC. But we do still play Lex and Madison.

[averagejoe]

different coaches and different teams. he will play. the ontario basketball program had him at 5'9. are you saying that they do not know what they are doing. you are getting old and forgetful. I didn't say he transferred I said he was talking about it. A kid was kicked out of practice. It was new information on this page. I'm 3-0 jocko.

[Willard Fillmore]

Mr. Harris, "different coaches and different teams" is a foolish statement. You make immature comments with no facts. These are the facts. Ontario's football team was bad and Harris played very little. Senior's football team should be very good AND their roster has twice as many players. He is smallish and not very fast. What about those FACTS leads you to believe Harris is going to be a major contributor at Senior??

Last year in basketball Harris only made one shot further than 8 feet from the basket all year. He only shot around 33% on drives to the basket. His playing time was reduced as a Freshman's increased. He was on the bench at crunch time in close games at the end of the year. What about those FACTS leads you to believe he will be a major contributor in basketball at Senior this year??

Mr. Harris would know what his son's height was in Ontario's program, he would have multiple programs. Not an averagejoe teenager from Senior, that would be too cheap to buy a program at the only Ontario game he saw. If you were knowledgeable you would know they ask each player what their heights are that go into programs When he stood next to players from other teams listed as 5-9, he was always a couple of inches shorter.

You've lied in the past multiple times.

NO ONE was "kicked off the team"(your exact words) at Ontario last year. To cover your lie, you've changed your story to "kicked out of practice" A HUGE difference. Kids get kicked out of practice frequently. Not worthy of a post. 

You lied about Shaver. Your exact words were. "I hear the Freshman guard is transferring." Everything you hear is wrong. You continue to look bad every time your post. Instead of posting rumors from bad sources wait until you get FACTS. 

[dude]

Aug 4, 2018 7:26:45 GMT -5 ohioraised said:

I think the MOAC was a good move for Clear Fork but I already miss the atmosphere of the OCC. But we do still play Lex and Madison.

Understand the move but it is easier to blame a strong league when you have a weak team. The timing of the Clear Fork move worked perfectly for some Colts fans to cheer the MOAC change.

[galion]

But they didn't have "weak" teams. A good D4/5 team is not going to beat a good D2 team very often. CF had good teams for their division, unfortunately so did the other, larger, schools in their conference.

[dude]

Aug 7, 2018 8:23:45 GMT -5 galion said:

But they didn't have "weak" teams. A good D4/5 team is not going to beat a good D2 team very often. CF had good teams for their division, unfortunately so did the other, larger, schools in their conference.

This is a basketball forum and there is no D5 in Ohio and Clear Fork is not close to being D4. The description of weak teams is based from friends who are Clear Fork fans who knew when their teams were down. In those years of their down years they lost nonconference games also against smaller schools.

[Willard Fillmore]

Yet another nit picking post, to cloud the truth, when you know you're wrong. 

The SAME much larger schools, regardless of Divisions, were also played by Clear Fork in basketball. The TRUTH is Clear Fork lost a higher % of basketball games in their OCC years, than football games.

[ohioraised]

Give it a rest already. When Clear Fork was good they competed in the OCC and when they weren't they were bad. Saying we were weak is polite.

[Willard Fillmore]

AGAIN, you are being untruthful. I dare you to show us where I said your Clear Fork was "weak'.  YOUR dude, was the one to use to word "weak" not me. 

Tell dude to "give it a rest already". His post was misleading at best, used to put down Mr. galion. All I did was point out the error of his ways.

Being an expert in what goes on in the Valley I thought for sure you would agree.

I guess I will have to prove the obvious observation of the years that Clear Fork was in the OCC. My definition of "competed" in a league isn't to finish first or 2nd, just have better than a .500 league record. In CF's 13 years in the OCC, they never had better than a .500 league record in basketball. In 6 of the 13 years they had better than a .500 record in football.

AGAIN, regardless of what Divisions league schools are in(dude). You have to play them in all sports. It was "weak" of him to use the old tired "this is a basketball forum" excuse, to avoid facts and truth.

[ohioraised]

Saying we were weak in some of those years is not wrong. He was polite to say that instead of we were bad. My teams may not have won conference titles but when watching the kids I can tell if we competed for a chance to win games with other schools or not. Big or small I didn't care. Getting beat 14-10 is competing, 48-7 is not. I never cared about conference titles. I wanted to compete for the games with every seat full on both sides. I liked the OCC because worked with people who had kids on other teams or cheerleaders. I like the MOAC also.

[Willard Fillmore]

If I used the word "weak", you would have been all over my arse. You're the only AD, coach, player, parent or fan I know of that "never cared about conference titles". Tell that to the CF coaches, players and parents of the baseball and girls soccer teams. Tell the State Title basketball team you didn't care. Tell that to all the CF football conference title teams of the past. When CF had a home game with Wooster, WH and Orrville EVERY seat on the visitors side was full?? Have you worked with people from Ontario, Shelby and Galion?

[ohioraised]

You do not know what I would do. Lots of us didn't care and we knew it when we joined. as a baseball and football parent i wanted competition to get us ready for playoffs. I was more for playoffs in our sports. Clear Fork football celebrates playoffs. The state basketball team tied with Loudonville but were state champs. Guess which one we talk about. West Holmes and Orrville both had good crowds. Wooster less. I have worked with Ontario and Shelby but Galion IDK.

[Willard Fillmore]

I know when dude used the term "weak" to describe Clear Fork and I did not, you told me to "give it a rest already".

A big difference between "every seat taken" and "good" crowds.

When Ontario was in the NCC and had a gym the size of Clear Fork's, people would line up at 4:00pm to get good seats before "every seat" really was taken. There were games when the doors were closed and people were turned away.

[ohioraised]

Give it a rest with your nit picking someone who does not respond to you and about something that does not involve you. I did not take offense to calling some of our teams weak. They were. I was really talking about football. Every seat would have been taken had they sat and not stood at the fence. Normally in our gym for OCC basketball games every seat was taken. Also in the NCC people got tired of Ontario and kicked them out.

[Willard Fillmore]

Aug 13, 2018 21:05:18 GMT -5 ohioraised said:

Give it a rest with your nit picking someone who does not respond to you and about something that does not involve you. I did not take offense to calling some of our teams weak. They were. I was really talking about football. Every seat would have been taken had they sat and not stood at the fence. Normally in our gym for OCC basketball games every seat was taken. Also in the NCC people got tired of Ontario and kicked them out.

Pointing out inaccuracies and exaggerations is not nit picking. It's called free speech, one can comment on anything they read in this country. You respond to my posts, why can't I respond to yours?  I have no problem with people "nit picking" my posts. I would give my life fighting for them to have the right to do so.

Three NCC schools led the charge to get rid of Galion, Upper, Lucas AND Ontario. I can't speak for the other three, but the reason for "kicking out Ontario" was them being "tired" of Ontario finishing 1st or 2nd in basketball 19 of 21 seasons in a row. 15 of the 19 were 1st place finishes. Even your dude has said the reason was basketball. 

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With schools opening this month we can get a better idea of who is still at their schools and who left.

[dude]

More OCC expansion talks were this week. Dover and New Philly have both officially said they would like to join the OCC.

[dude]

Discussions have now moved to include Canton Central Catholic and Louisville with the idea of splitting into divisions.

[Deleted]

Oct 3, 2018 11:37:19 GMT -5 dude said:

Discussions have now moved to include Canton Central Catholic and Louisville with the idea of splitting into divisions.

with11 schools? Or is there another school in the mix?

[maplecityjake]

Sept 14, 2018 5:35:11 GMT -5 dude said:

More OCC expansion talks were this week. Dover and New Philly have both officially said they would like to join the OCC.

This sounds of Cardinal Conference of yesteryear.

[dude]

Oct 4, 2018 17:55:52 GMT -5 @bighoss said:

Oct 3, 2018 11:37:19 GMT -5 dude said:

Discussions have now moved to include Canton Central Catholic and Louisville with the idea of splitting into divisions.

with11 schools? Or is there another school in the mix?

Some ADs feel that 11 schools will give them more options and make it easier to schedule games. It has been discussed to split into divisions set up by location.