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Post by heresjim on Aug 2, 2018 19:04:02 GMT -5
If these rumors were true, they would completely contradict the text messages that have been posted and the attitude shown by Shelley. Also, what's her motivation to fabricate stories for nearly 10 years? She would only be making herself and her family more miserable and crush the trust of everybody she knew. If Shelley truly knew this was the case, she certainly wouldn't have texted in the way that she did here. These texts show empathy, compassion, and concern, which are not how you approach someone who is a known crazy person. Also, SHELLEY was the one that initiated the contact, so she actually was concerned for Lindsey's well being. m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2042031282487592&id=823615204329212&set=pcb.2042037522486968&source=48&refid=13&__tn__=%2B%3EShelley didn't question Lindsey about her claims, didn't confront her on the claimed alcoholism, and didn't contradict her on her accusations for Zach.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Aug 2, 2018 19:20:21 GMT -5
It’s interesting but a couple thoughts on that post on 11W.
1. Urban isn’t telling anyone anything that isn’t his family and he especially isn’t sharing anything this detailed.
2. If “many” people at Ohio State knew and didn’t report it then OSU has a major problem. It literally does not matter if you can prove it or not. If there is an accusation or you have any knowledge you report it to the title IX office and let them settle it.
3. Getting off on three DUI’s while each time claiming your husband was chasing you? The Columbus area may be owned by OSU but their police have integrity. There is little chance she was picked up and let go for DUI three times using the same excuse each time. It may have worked once but three times? Police have access to gateway for a reason.
4. Urban Meyer is going to put up with a drunk wife chasing her husband around at practice? I don’t care if he was Woody Hayes son Urban is not putting up with that.
5. Shelley Meyer and the wives seemed to like Cortney. You’d think if she was showing up drunk to practice chasing zach around and threatening to blow stuff up. That they’d be not so friendly towards her.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 3, 2018 7:18:29 GMT -5
There is no evidence, that we know of, that he knew anything. Until there is evidence, it's not "damning" in the least. No matter what Bleacher Report or Brett says.
Even if he did know, the police didn't take action and she didn't press charges. You can't fire a guy because his ex-wife sent texts to your wife complaining about her ex-husband. Once there was official police involvement, Urban fired Smith.
Courtney just emerged from a messy divorce and now is taking her frustrations out on anybody and everybody in her emotional vengeance.
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Post by heresjim on Aug 3, 2018 10:11:54 GMT -5
There is no evidence, that we know of, that he knew anything. Until there is evidence, it's not "damning" in the least. No matter what Bleacher Report or Brett says. Even if he did know, the police didn't take action and she didn't press charges. You can't fire a guy because his ex-wife sent texts to your wife complaining about her ex-husband. Once there was official police involvement, Urban fired Smith. Courtney just emerged from a messy divorce and now is taking her frustrations out on anybody and everybody in her emotional vengeance. Have you read the text messages? No one is claiming that it is definitive proof that he knew, nor is it directly from him. HOWEVER, that is proof that his wife knew about the situation. She also relayed that Urban didn't know what to think about it. You believe that Shelley kept him in the dark about it and then lied that she talked to him about it? You think all the coaches and their wives kept quiet about it? You can think that, but it just seems very unlikely. Also, the Police don't need to take action for Urban to do anything. If you read anything from my previous post, you would know that. Read this clause in Urban's contract. "Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence (Zach committed this) and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff (Zach would qualify as this) or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ... For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place." Read more: ncoast.proboards.com/thread/1583/coach-zach-smith-controversy-again#ixzz5N7zkYEYpHe has to report any known violations. Now what constitutes a violation? You can read that in Ohio State Policy hr.osu.edu/wp-content/uploads/policy115.pdf "Domestic violence Conduct that would meet the definition of a felony or misdemeanor crime of violence committed by the complainant’s current or former spouse or intimate partner, a person with whom the complainant shares a child in common, a person who is or has cohabitated with the complainant as a spouse or intimate partner, or individual similarly situated to a spouse under domestic or family violence law, or anyone else protected under the domestic or family violence law of the jurisdiction in which the offense occurred. An individual
need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence
pursuant to this policy."
If Urban had heard the claims that Lindsey was stating, he needs to report it according to his contract. There doesn't need to be charges, he needs to reports it if it happened. <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 33.83999999999992px; height: 4.199999999999989px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_757539" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 33.84px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1622px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_71521468" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 33.84px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 150px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_49368641" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 33.84px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1622px; top: 150px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_18816192" scrolling="no"></iframe>
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Post by cbus on Aug 3, 2018 13:38:46 GMT -5
There is no evidence, that we know of, that he knew anything. Until there is evidence, it's not "damning" in the least. No matter what Bleacher Report or Brett says. Even if he did know, the police didn't take action and she didn't press charges. You can't fire a guy because his ex-wife sent texts to your wife complaining about her ex-husband. Once there was official police involvement, Urban fired Smith. Courtney just emerged from a messy divorce and now is taking her frustrations out on anybody and everybody in her emotional vengeance. Based on the excerpt below, I guess OSU can fire Urban if he is dishonest. I don't think Urban is typically considered dishonest. Does 1 lie make a person dishonest? Possibly not. Dishonest- behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy or fraudulent way. Of course, public opinion may sway the President in this decision. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corrective Action and Involuntary Termination Policy 8.15 Office of Human Resources The performance improvement process may be initiated for, but not limited to the following reasons: incompetence, inefficiency, dishonesty, use or being under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs at work or inappropriate use of prescription drugs, immoral conduct, insubordination, discourteous treatment of the public, neglect of duty, failure to return from a leave of absence, other failure of good behavior, misfeasance in office, malfeasance in office, nonfeasance in office, other unsatisfactory job performance, conviction of a felony; this is not an exhaustive list. Staff may be reprimanded, demoted or terminated for violation of university rules, policies and/or such offenses as listed above. It is important for supervisors to manage performance and to take steps to support individuals improving their performance when appropriate.
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Post by dude on Aug 3, 2018 16:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 3, 2018 17:14:49 GMT -5
If Ohio State has a record of Urban reporting what he had heard about Smith in 2015, then the only issue he has is misspeaking to the press. If all coaches were fired for not being 100% truthful to the press, no coach would ever coach more than a couple of years.
The interesting aspect of this situation is that it appears Smith's wife didn't want her husband to lose his job at Florida or Ohio State. If he did she and her children lose a very nice economic situation. Smith will never again make anything close to what he now makes as a coach at Ohio State. The supposed abuse started in 2009 or earlier. She didn't try to leave him or file for divorce until 2015. Now that the alimony check will will be significantly reduced due to Smith being fired she has lawyered up and will try to sue Ohio State for Millions, regardless of what happens to Urban.
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Post by galion on Aug 3, 2018 18:09:06 GMT -5
Was it readily evident he was going to get fired in 2014-2015? Because that's when they got divorced. He's been stalking her since then.
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Post by cbus on Aug 3, 2018 18:31:43 GMT -5
Urban Wars Episode IV- A New Hope
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Post by redskinfan04 on Aug 3, 2018 18:54:51 GMT -5
Urban and Zach managed to do something today that I never imagine possible. They actually made things worse instead of better. That interview with Smith on ESPN was brutal. He was constantly fidgeting, couldn’t hold focus and worst of all was caught red handed lying about not abusing his wife.
Urban admitted to knowingly keeping a domestic abuser on his staff and then blatantly lying about it to the media. The man who has a mural that says “ treat women with respect” kept a known domestic abuser on staff.
It’s over for Urban and it’s likely over for Gene Smith. To give an idea how bad things are going for OSU. Ohio State is the flagship school of the big ten. This evening BTN interrupted programming to spend an hour absolutely destroying Urban Meyer. The last coach to get that treatment was Joe Pa.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 3, 2018 21:01:23 GMT -5
Was it readily evident he was going to get fired in 2014-2015? Because that's when they got divorced. He's been stalking her since then. <iframe width="24.62000000000012" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 24.62000000000012px; height: 2.9200000000000017px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_62719930" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.62000000000012" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 24.62px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1170px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_43796194" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.62000000000012" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 24.62px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 87px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_6862893" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.62000000000012" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 24.62px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1170px; top: 87px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_99249229" scrolling="no"></iframe> She's been arrested 3 times by the Columbus police for DUI. Her excuse each time was that she was being stalked by her husband. Nothing in the police reports about him being in the vicinity.
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Post by dude on Aug 3, 2018 21:56:53 GMT -5
Urban and Zach managed to do something today that I never imagine possible. They actually made things worse instead of better. That interview with Smith on ESPN was brutal. He was constantly fidgeting, couldn’t hold focus and worst of all was caught red handed lying about not abusing his wife. Are you basing this on the police reports, court cases or the eye witness events you were at?
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 4, 2018 1:39:50 GMT -5
Fellas, based on the unfolding of events and corroborating of seperate, individual statements from both Zach Smith and coach Meyer, I'm comfortable with the notion that Urban Meyer will be back on the sidelines sooner, rather than later.
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Post by cbus on Aug 4, 2018 13:26:58 GMT -5
Fellas, based on the unfolding of events and corroborating of seperate, individual statements from both Zach Smith and coach Meyer, I'm comfortable with the notion that Urban Meyer will be back on the sidelines sooner, rather than later. I’m starting to agree. The social media spotlight should switch to Gene Smith soon. Except for other team fans that just want Urban gone because he recruits exceptionally well.
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Post by Birdman on Aug 5, 2018 13:27:14 GMT -5
Geeze Redskin, hate Urban and OSU much?? I haven’t even begun to spend time reading the garbage but it sounds like Urban will be fine and Smith may the one in hot water.
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Post by mcm1019 on Aug 5, 2018 18:03:45 GMT -5
Redskin can't see through his maize and blue glasses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 18:15:33 GMT -5
Give him a break. A half title in the last 70 years is hard run to go through
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 6, 2018 0:13:10 GMT -5
Redskin pretty much stopped posting about College football since Michigan recruiting classes have fallen further and further behind Ohio State and Michigan hasn't beaten MSU or Ohio State very often in recent history. NOW all of a sudden he's become an college football "expert" again.
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Post by tommygunn on Aug 6, 2018 11:07:27 GMT -5
snowflakes, Urban is not going anywhere but the top of the polls this season.
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Post by 1percenter on Aug 7, 2018 8:01:53 GMT -5
Here's what we know.
Courtney's own parents didn't tell her to go to the police, or go beat up Zach for supposedly beating up their daughter? Why? Courtney called 911 so much that they stopped sending police After supposedly getting roughed up by Zach, Courtney mass texted everyone she knew but didn't go to the cops. Courtney is an attention seeker. When pulled over for speeding in 2016, Courtney started to cry in front of the officer and blame Zach for beating her. Yet, Zach has never been arrested for domestic violence. Hmmm Courtney said Zach would corner her in the laundry, pull down his pants and beg for sex. Hmmm, wouldn't he just force her to have sex if he was physically abusive, why would he beg? Zach was arrested in 2018 because Courtney wouldn't answer her phone when Zach was trying to find a drop off point to return the kids. So Zach took the kids to Courtney's residence and Courtney decided to call the cops claiming Zach broke the restraining order. Courtney was out to stick it to Zach. Zach gets fired. Courtney noticing her support payments are going to take a hit quickly gets interviewed. (You can bet she was paid)
So Courtney calls the cops over and over and over and over again and Zach is never arrested. The cops never believed Courtney's story and always believed Zach's. Ask yourself why? Ask yourself why Courtney's own parents didn't rough up Zach if he was abusing their daughter. Why were her parents and the cops not believing her?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 7, 2018 11:29:51 GMT -5
Powell Police Chief Gary Vest, said that on October 26 2015 "Zach Smith was never arrested, never hand cuffed, never brought in, never charged, never appeared in court." In the month of October, of the many times police were called by Courtney Smith, there was never evidence to arrest Zach Smith even for a misdemeanor of disorderly conduct, let alone any felony charges.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 12:48:53 GMT -5
It has been reported by Jeff Snook that it was Tom Herman that tipped McMurphy
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 11, 2018 13:01:41 GMT -5
It has been reported by Jeff Snook that it was Tom Herman that tipped McMurphy Well, you're partially right, Tom Herman's wife.....supposedly. I'm quite skeptical on this rumor.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 11, 2018 13:07:21 GMT -5
Fellas, based on the unfolding of events and corroborating of seperate, individual statements from both Zach Smith and coach Meyer, I'm comfortable with the notion that Urban Meyer will be back on the sidelines sooner, rather than later. I’m starting to agree. The social media spotlight should switch to Gene Smith soon. Except for other team fans that just want Urban gone because he recruits exceptionally well. If Gene Smith says he passed it on up to his superiors, then the man making the final decision from the findings of the committee (tribunal), the OSU President, may be sweating it and may nail someone beneath him, in order to take the heat off of his butt.
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Post by cbus on Aug 11, 2018 13:30:04 GMT -5
Who is the Title IX person at OSU? Who is supposed to report it to him/her? What does this department do when they investigate a report? Are there guidelines? Can the press talk to this person?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 13:59:18 GMT -5
It has been reported by Jeff Snook that it was Tom Herman that tipped McMurphy Well, you're partially right, Tom Herman's wife.....supposedly. I'm quite skeptical on this rumor. How am I partially right? Attachments:
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 11, 2018 15:03:07 GMT -5
Well, you're partially right, Tom Herman's wife.....supposedly. I'm quite skeptical on this rumor. How am I partially right? I guess you are totally correct, my apologies. The one I read was speculation that it was Tom's wife. This one says, confirmed it was Tom Herman. This confirms, past allegiances and relationships mean nothing in this dog eat dog world of major college football.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 11, 2018 15:09:50 GMT -5
Who is the Title IX person at OSU? Who is supposed to report it to him/her? What does this department do when they investigate a report? Are there guidelines? Can the press talk to this person? Kellie Brennan is the Director of Compliance and Title IX/Clery Act Coordinator for the Office of University Compliance and Integrity.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 11, 2018 15:49:35 GMT -5
More FAKE NEWS!! Both McMurphy and Herman deny that Herman or his wife ever said anything to him about Courtney or Zach Smith. McMurphy said he has never revealed a source 40 years, but he unequivocally says that Herman or his wife are not his source in this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 17:39:24 GMT -5
More FAKE NEWS!! Both McMurphy and Herman deny that Herman or his wife ever said anything to him about Courtney or Zach Smith. McMurphy said he has never revealed a source 40 years, but he unequivocally says that Herman or his wife are not his source in this. For the love of God stop using the phrase fake news
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