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Post by crimsonblooded on Jul 28, 2018 11:22:06 GMT -5
I think with both conferences having small teams and empty weights they should combine for a dual conference title. I've seen both conference have 2 or 3 kids in a weight class. They could also invite affiliates like Loudonville who really doesn't have a conference tournament along with Lucas. The SBC is an awesome event with plenty of matches, especially for middle school event. I think this would make a lot better tournament for their schedule.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 28, 2018 21:23:09 GMT -5
That is a good question you brought up there. The only thing is I think that all the Firelands schools are all D-4, I'm not on that, Is Western Reserve and Ashland Crestview D-4 or D-3. And what about the N-10? Is Upper Sandusky and Bucyrus and maybe Coronal Crawford, are they D-4 or D-3. Some schools might not like that many D-3 in it. I don't know just saying. Me, it sounds like a good idea, you get maybe 3 or 4 schools that can or come very close of having their rosters full each year they are the ones who usually win their conference crowns. Who knows.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 21:54:30 GMT -5
That is a good question you brought up there. The only thing is I think that all the Firelands schools are all D-4, I'm not on that, Is Western Reserve and Ashland Crestview D-4 or D-3. And what about the N-10? Is Upper Sandusky and Bucyrus and maybe Coronal Crawford, are they D-4 or D-3. Some schools might not like that many D-3 in it. I don't know just saying. Me, it sounds like a good idea, you get maybe 3 or 4 schools that can or come very close of having their rosters full each year they are the ones who usually win their conference crowns. Who knows. There’s only 3 divisions |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 8:12:54 GMT -5
Also this is a horrible idea. A team that didn’t win the meet would be declared the conference champion.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jul 29, 2018 16:51:46 GMT -5
That is a good question you brought up there. The only thing is I think that all the Firelands schools are all D-4, I'm not on that, Is Western Reserve and Ashland Crestview D-4 or D-3. And what about the N-10? Is Upper Sandusky and Bucyrus and maybe Coronal Crawford, are they D-4 or D-3. Some schools might not like that many D-3 in it. I don't know just saying. Me, it sounds like a good idea, you get maybe 3 or 4 schools that can or come very close of having their rosters full each year they are the ones who usually win their conference crowns. Who knows. Yeah, most are in division 3, Upper Sandusky is the only one in Division 2. Some are in different sectionals and Mapleton is in a different district. Wynford and colonel crawford do not have a wrestling program and new London dropped their middle school program last year and I heard South Central will drop their middle school program next year. So the numbers are bad and middle school has a lot of empty weight classes with no matches at all. I think it is needful. |
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jul 29, 2018 16:55:05 GMT -5
Also this is a horrible idea. A team that didn’t win the meet would be declared the conference champion. I'm not really understanding your point. If they didn't win the meet how would they be declared the conference champion? |
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 30, 2018 0:46:44 GMT -5
Crimson and Bighoss, Thanks for letting me know that there are only 3 divisions. I guessed that there was 4 div. like there are in basketball. Bighoss, I just don't understand what your trying to explain in your second message. From what I understood the question was combining the 2 conference's together just only in wrestling because most school's just can't fill the rosters so make 2 into one and maybe call it Firelands N-10 Conference this way you still would only have 1 conference champ. I hope that might explain it better. Also if this doesn't make any sense at all, please excuse me for it, I'm on a 48 hour of no sleep. Insomnia for the last 3 weeks, usually getting 3 hours each night of sleep.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 6:02:56 GMT -5
My point is you need to have a conference champion. Ever heard of all-sports trophies for the entire school year? Why would you combine 2 conferences for one wrestling meet? It’s not Crestview’s fault that South Central has awful numbers. People keep trying to fix things that aren’t broken
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jul 30, 2018 15:57:06 GMT -5
I can't find any results for Firelands Conference. N10 did go to round robin format instead of brackets. But these are the numbers per weight class.
106-4 152-5
113-2 160-3
120-2 170-5
126-3 182-3
132-4 195-5
138-6 220-6
145-4 285-4
One problem is that a one day tournament is 2pts for scheduling and some of these wrestlers are getting one match or two matches. A single dual is .5 pts and a tri is 1pt. Where you would get 1 and 2 matches. The SBC had 18 teams and a 16 man bracket and all done in one day and just 2pts towards scheduling. Plus the SBC has great competition for those state caliber guys. If you have one other guy or a couple others your probably not getting the competition you would like. If these two conferences combined it would still be smaller than the SBC. When schools are affiliates in other conferences they don't compete in all sports. This is not unheard of in Ohio for High School or College.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 18:28:15 GMT -5
I can't find any results for Firelands Conference. N10 did go to round robin format instead of brackets. But these are the numbers per weight class. 106-4 152-5 113-2 160-3 120-2 170-5 126-3 182-3 132-4 195-5 138-6 220-6 145-4 285-4 One problem is that a one day tournament is 2pts for scheduling and some of these wrestlers are getting one match or two matches. A single dual is .5 pts and a tri is 1pt. Where you would get 1 and 2 matches. The SBC had 18 teams and a 16 man bracket and all done in one day and just 2pts towards scheduling. Plus the SBC has great competition for those state caliber guys. If you have one other guy or a couple others your probably not getting the competition you would like. If these two conferences combined it would still be smaller than the SBC. When schools are affiliates in other conferences they don't compete in all sports. This is not unheard of in Ohio for High School or College. Schools are affiliates with other conferences due the conference they are in not having the sport. The N-10 and Firelands have wrestling. |
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jul 31, 2018 5:28:14 GMT -5
They have it but not to the degree of being a quality tournament worth the 2pts towards scheduling. This is precisely my point I'm making. But one would have to agree that reaching out to Loudonville and Lucas as affiliates would at least help fill the bracket, as they are in the mid buckeye that does not have wrestling as a conference. But don't worry a few more years and you will see the need to combine.
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Post by kingmartinez on Jul 31, 2018 15:55:58 GMT -5
Not unheard of and worth considering. SRL wrestled with the SBC before they joined the conference. The sport isn't growing so some creativity is going to be necessary if they want to keep conference tourneys alive.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jul 31, 2018 17:14:06 GMT -5
Not growing in our area, growing in Columbus area. Our enrollment is decreasing for the conferences that I mentioned. Football will soon be gone for some of these schools who's wrestling programs that are going out. South Central will eventually lose wrestling and football will follow. Not sure on your comment about not worth considering......?
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Post by kingmartinez on Aug 1, 2018 10:02:46 GMT -5
Corrected with better choice of word. Meant it's worth considering.
Enrollment and population is exploding in Columbus, as it has been. I believe that offsets the issue that is a problem statewide and nationwide. It's declining quickly.
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Post by deathfromabove on Aug 1, 2018 10:48:57 GMT -5
My point is you need to have a conference champion. Ever heard of all-sports trophies for the entire school year? Why would you combine 2 conferences for one wrestling meet? It’s not Crestview’s fault that South Central has awful numbers. People keep trying to fix things that aren’t broken Bighoss, I 'm tiring not to be a pest but I understand if it's not broken don't mess with it but sometimes you need to fix it before it gets broke. The thing is there are schools that are having a tuff time getting kids out for a sport. South Central is one, and after the Stieber brothers graduated along with the other stars there, Monroeville is down in wrestling, I'm not sure if New London and Mapleton program is down still along with Plymouth. Those 3 have gone up and down in numbers all the time. The only ones in the Firelands usually with a solid program are Western Reserve, St. Paul's, and Crestview. In the N-10, I know Buckeye Central numbers are down but I don't know about the rest. Can you inform me on the numbers of each school that has a wrestling program in the N-10. Also I know the Firelands does not have an All Sports Trophy, Does the N-10 have one. I don't know what the answer is on this but something has to be done or maybe we should just have wrestling as a club sport this way all the classes are full. What is your thought on this because I'm running out of ideas. |
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Post by footballfan99 on Aug 5, 2018 17:26:14 GMT -5
My point is you need to have a conference champion. Ever heard of all-sports trophies for the entire school year? Why would you combine 2 conferences for one wrestling meet? It’s not Crestview’s fault that South Central has awful numbers. People keep trying to fix things that aren’t broken Bighoss, I 'm tiring not to be a pest but I understand if it's not broken don't mess with it but sometimes you need to fix it before it gets broke. The thing is there are schools that are having a tuff time getting kids out for a sport. South Central is one, and after the Stieber brothers graduated along with the other stars there, Monroeville is down in wrestling, I'm not sure if New London and Mapleton program is down still along with Plymouth. Those 3 have gone up and down in numbers all the time. The only ones in the Firelands usually with a solid program are Western Reserve, St. Paul's, and Crestview. In the N-10, I know Buckeye Central numbers are down but I don't know about the rest. Can you inform me on the numbers of each school that has a wrestling program in the N-10. Also I know the Firelands does not have an All Sports Trophy, Does the N-10 have one. I don't know what the answer is on this but something has to be done or maybe we should just have wrestling as a club sport this way all the classes are full. What is your thought on this because I'm running out of ideas. The Firelands Conference DOES indeed have an All Sports Trophy...you talk so confidently about so many things you really have no idea about. (If you truly thought wrestling had 4 divisions, you probably shouldn't even post on the thread). As far as wrestling, something in the Conference needs to be addressed or we will be down to only a couple schools left able to support the sport. The level of quality wrestling coming out of the FC has dropped dramatically over the last 10 years. While the FC was never close the the SBC the last 20 years, there were still multiple state qualifiers/placers from several different schools. |
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