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Post by sbc95 on Aug 25, 2018 0:29:52 GMT -5
Does anyone no what happened in Springfield ? News said Ross is gonna appeal
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Post by Keith on Aug 25, 2018 10:05:14 GMT -5
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Post by maplecityjake on Aug 25, 2018 12:38:43 GMT -5
Tough way to lose, but there is no one to blame but Ross.
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Post by chs71 on Aug 25, 2018 14:49:41 GMT -5
The clock ran out with Ross on the goalline. Not the first or last time that happened.
There is no appeal. The referee's decision is final.
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Post by shadowking on Aug 25, 2018 15:45:11 GMT -5
Tough way to lose, but there is no one to blame but Ross.
lol yep its Ross fault the refs made no signal that the receiver got out of bounds the play before, which he clearly did. If the refs did their job correctly Ross has no need to spike the football.
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Post by b on Aug 25, 2018 16:41:47 GMT -5
they did signal he caught it and went out of bounds. watch the official.
poor coaching. kicking team should have been sent out after the catch. and I'm fremont
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Post by dolittle on Aug 25, 2018 19:29:16 GMT -5
If he was tackled in bounds but got a first down which is what I see. Clock would be stopped for the first down, but would start after the spot.
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Post by chs71 on Aug 25, 2018 20:50:23 GMT -5
Exactly. No question both knees were down inbounds. Official stopped the clock to reset the down box with first and goal. Referee winds the clock on the ready for play signal.
All perfectly correct.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Aug 26, 2018 12:42:37 GMT -5
Exactly. No question both knees were down inbounds. Official stopped the clock to reset the down box with first and goal. Referee winds the clock on the ready for play signal. All perfectly correct. If he was calling it down in bounds beyond the line to gain he should have given one quick "wind the clock" motion immediately followed by stopping the clock for the first down. The way he called it suggests he was stopping the clock for out of bounds. As for the ref, did he actually wind the clock on the ready? It's hard to see in the video as he is blocked by players at that moment...but if he really did wind the clock it should have started right there and would have run out well before the snap even took place, rendering the duration of the spike reasoning moot. However, if the Ross coach's quote in the article can be believed, the refs explained their decision to rule the clock had expired was based on how much time a snap and spike takes off the clock. That leads me to believe that the sideline play had been ruled out of bounds and that the clock was going to start on the snap, not the ready. Further evidence of this can be found in the refs body language after the ready for play. He doesn't look like someone who knows he just started a game clock that only has 1.2 seconds left on it...he looks like all he did was start the play clock and is calmly and patiently waiting for the snap that will start the game clock (which happens 8 seconds later) |
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Post by chs71 on Aug 26, 2018 13:38:20 GMT -5
Exactly. No question both knees were down inbounds. Official stopped the clock to reset the down box with first and goal. Referee winds the clock on the ready for play signal. All perfectly correct. If he was calling it down in bounds beyond the line to gain he should have given one quick "wind the clock" motion immediately followed by stopping the clock for the first down. No. Although it happens, giving both signals is not the correct mechanic. It's one or the other, signaling both is incorrect. |
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Post by shadowking on Aug 26, 2018 14:46:10 GMT -5
To get a clear idea of how the game was officiated one has to take into account the entire game. This stuff was going on all game. In all I’d bet there was about 20 penalties in the game. The majority were on Ross. So you can see why Coach Long was so frustrated in the post game interview.
The last 3 minutes of the game were crazy. I’m no rules expert but about 2 of those minutes were ran off/lost because of penalties. Play clocks not starting while the game clock is running. Game clock running and play clock reseting after illegal procedures on Springfield’s offense. It’s easy to see why Ross is filing a complaint with OHSAA.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Aug 26, 2018 15:25:06 GMT -5
If he was calling it down in bounds beyond the line to gain he should have given one quick "wind the clock" motion immediately followed by stopping the clock for the first down. No. Although it happens, giving both signals is not the correct mechanic. It's one or the other, signaling both is incorrect. If that's the case, what is the proper mechanic or procedure to inform the other officials, teams, coaches and fans that the clock has stopped only for the first down and that the game clock will be starting on the ready for play? |
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Post by chs71 on Aug 26, 2018 15:34:03 GMT -5
To get a clear idea of how the game was officiated one has to take into account the entire game. This stuff was going on all game. In all I’d bet there was about 20 penalties in the game. The majority were on Ross. So you can see why Coach Long was so frustrated in the post game interview. The last 3 minutes of the game were crazy. I’m no rules expert but about 2 of those minutes were ran off/lost because of penalties. Play clocks not starting while the game clock is running. Game clock running and play clock reseting after illegal procedures on Springfield’s offense. It’s easy to see why Ross is filing a complaint with OHSAA. There is nothing wrong with filing a complaint, but there is no appeal process. Actually I wish more coaches would make their game video available to the officials and the OHSAA. If the officials made errors that can be verified by video the OHSAA will talk with them. If timing errors were made because the officials did not give the correct signals that will be brought to their attention If the problems were with the clock operators that will probably not be something the video will confirm, and that's a game management situation anyhow. |
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Post by chs71 on Aug 26, 2018 15:53:32 GMT -5
No. Although it happens, giving both signals is not the correct mechanic. It's one or the other, signaling both is incorrect. If that's the case, what is the proper mechanic or procedure to inform the other officials, teams, coaches and fans that the clock has stopped only for the first down and that the game clock will be starting on the ready for play? I only know high school mechanics and have no idea what they do in college or the NFL. If the play ends inbounds the wing official will indicate the status of the clock to the referee by rotating his index finger in a circular manner about waist level. Which means the referee will wind the clock on the ready for play signal. If the play ends out of bounds the wing official will signal the referee by crossing his forearms below waist level. Which means the clock will stay stopped until the snap. Good officials will probably tell the coaches that the play ended inbounds or "We're going to wind the clock," or something. But that's not required. To be honest a lot depends on how good or experienced the officials are, what other chaos may be happening that the officials have to deal with, and whether the coaches were paying attention or even thought to ask. |
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Post by shadowking on Aug 26, 2018 15:54:32 GMT -5
I totally agree they can’t do anything about the outcome. Their best bet is to just get over it and move onto the next game. Their only hope in filing a complaint I guess is to make sure they never get these officials again?
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Post by chs71 on Aug 26, 2018 16:04:25 GMT -5
I totally agree they can’t do anything about the outcome. Their best bet is to just get over it and move onto the next game. Their only hope in filing a complaint I guess is to make sure they never get these officials again? The OHSAA can suspend officials, but that isn't going to happen in this situation, and the OHSAA does not assign officials during the regular season. The OHSAA is actually very interested in improving officiating. There is a retired NFL/college official who is the Director of Officiating Development. If the crew made mistakes it will be brought to their attention. Football officials get a weekly bulletin, which always includes mistakes some crew made the week before. Clock management is almost always on the list. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Aug 27, 2018 11:19:41 GMT -5
Tough way to lose, but there is no one to blame but Ross.
lol yep its Ross fault the refs made no signal that the receiver got out of bounds the play before, which he clearly did. If the refs did their job correctly Ross has no need to spike the football.
Ross blew two leads, including one by 2 scores at one point, gave up 30 points, and now has lost to Springfield 3 of the last 4 years. A school that scrimmaged St. Joe when I grew up. Just like Mansfield found out in Trucker Country, games are won on the field, not hype. Ross lost. Get over it. |
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Post by shadowking on Aug 27, 2018 13:24:41 GMT -5
St Joe used to play Clyde too whats your point? We ran into Springfield’s 2 best ever teams nothing to be ashamed about.
The Ross family has disowned you get over it Norwalk boy.
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Post by maplecityjake on Aug 27, 2018 13:47:52 GMT -5
My point is Ross shouldn't be losing to Springfield......their best teams or not. Fremont is mostly a culture anymore of entitlement and not much in the way of accountability. The message shouldn't be how clock management "screwed" Ross. Ross screwed themselves.
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Post by chs71 on Aug 27, 2018 14:15:31 GMT -5
lol yep its Ross fault the refs made no signal that the receiver got out of bounds the play before, which he clearly did. If the refs did their job correctly Ross has no need to spike the football.
A school that scrimmaged St. Joe when I grew up. Neither St. Joe nor Springfield are anything like they were when you grew up. Boys enrollment; Springfield - 465 Ross - 461 St. Joe - 54 |
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Post by maplecityjake on Aug 27, 2018 14:18:59 GMT -5
Nor Ross, evidently.
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Post by shadowking on Aug 28, 2018 10:09:39 GMT -5
Who’s said Ross is anything like they were 25 years ago? You have been drinking the SBC koolaid I see...
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Post by Keith on Aug 29, 2018 18:46:10 GMT -5
My point is Ross shouldn't be losing to Springfield......their best teams or not. Fremont is mostly a culture anymore of entitlement and not much in the way of accountability. The message shouldn't be how clock management "screwed" Ross. Ross screwed themselves. You sing the same bullshit song all the time. Go root for Norwalk |
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Post by Crazy ivan on Aug 29, 2018 20:32:31 GMT -5
Same Poop different year keith.I listened to coach long on his radio show and he says there ready for Friday but during Springfield game he says we had a 14 pt lead and this year, Fremont ross has a hellatius defense and to springfield credit busted a couple huge plays to keep close.He said it's quite a unit.Can someone tell me about the 93' defense,Woodson's junior year.What about 83' defense.Coach says defense only plays defense minus hotz.Our size is bigger, he said we hired clydes strength coach as strength coach.
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Post by shadowking on Aug 30, 2018 10:11:51 GMT -5
Hmmm I counted about 3-4 kids playing both ways. That’s still a lot better than the past 10 years. Even the 93 team had about 5 guys playing both ways so I have no problem putting your best players on the field.
There’s a hell of a lot of season left so no need to get all worked up over the first game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 19:20:21 GMT -5
shadow king
First off chill,no one is getting worked up! It is Chad long who said that,not I,so yell at him for boasting his defense..I merely asked information on historically how some past teams fared.
I think hotz is playing both ways obviously and secondary kids.Front 7,no.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 19:33:51 GMT -5
I apologize shadow for being abrasive.
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