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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 10, 2018 12:51:26 GMT -5
Ha!
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Post by coachdappling on Dec 10, 2018 13:09:16 GMT -5
BG and Maumee won't leave NLL for SBC, and SBC won't take Ross You are half right. Maumee is not happy in the NLL. The disparity in numbers is killing them. Maumee has had freshmen playing varsity basketball. This necessitates them either not having a freshmen girls basketball ball team or the remaining freshmen getting killed by schools like Perrysburg, AW, etc. Perrysburg and AW are growing as well. The NBC WILL NOT take Maumee. They feel that Maumee is too big. In response to a direct question from me, the Maumee AD said, "I would love for us to be in the SBC. The schools are all our size. However, the community will never go for it as they are used to the twenty minute drive to Southview and will not go for an hour drive to Bellevue."
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 10, 2018 19:45:57 GMT -5
Sidenote, besides BG making the trip to Norwalk for playoff, the only other time an NLL school made trip as far as Bellevue was Rossford just over 20 years ago. Of course, the Bulldogs are now in NBC
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 10, 2018 19:54:16 GMT -5
I was talking non-league!!!! Look at Bellevues schedule. Canton, Clear Fork, West Holmes, Toledo Start, and Shelby being the closest non-league game. It's not a big deal for the fans just the travel for the schools. Teams the same or close to the same size won't cross play them like p.c., Huron (maybe this year I hope), vermilion (but they will play them in bball LOL), & Oak Harbor. Pretty sure SBC didn't design the league for school travel. Hope they get some more schools to get to a 8-8-8 league. That would make it one of the best leagues in Ohio I think. The Lake is already very competitive just need to add two more and it would be a great league. IMOA 8-8-8 sounds like 3 separate LEAGUES to me, instead of divisions.
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Post by kingmartinez on Dec 10, 2018 20:12:50 GMT -5
How about Maumee, Clay and Fremont to go with Clyde, Norwalk, Sandusky, Tiffin and Perkins? Bellevue, PC, Vermilion, Huron, Edison, Oak Harbor and Willard makes seven in the Bay.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 10, 2018 20:24:18 GMT -5
Not sure many in Bay would be thrilled having Bellevue.
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Post by sportsvideo on Dec 11, 2018 6:52:08 GMT -5
Not sure many in Bay would be thrilled having Bellevue. would it be any more benefit to Bellevue than any of the other teams in the bay? i am ok with playing them, but thats just me.. they would likely dominate the bay year in year out in football .. just let fremont in. most of the lake can compete with them.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 11, 2018 9:36:13 GMT -5
SV, to be honest, I don't know. I do get the feeling Bellevue wouldn't be thrilled as well, but I could be mistaken. As far as Fremont, I had a discussion with a good friend about that last night; he says Ross doesn't belong. He implied Ross is too good for SBC Lake. Thoughts on that?
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Post by sportsvideo on Dec 11, 2018 10:19:42 GMT -5
SV, to be honest, I don't know. I do get the feeling Bellevue wouldn't be thrilled as well, but I could be mistaken. As far as Fremont, I had a discussion with a good friend about that last night; he says Ross doesn't belong. He implied Ross is too good for SBC Lake. Thoughts on that? . To good? In what sport? Certainly not football. Most of us play them in one sport or another. I get it their enrollment is much bigger. But the much bigger enrollments are not always reflected in athletics. They haven’t had a winning football team in 5 years even them it was just for a year. They move vermilion up and they’re boys sports will be ok but their girls sports are going to get killed. Sometimes you have to use some recent history in these decisions.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 11, 2018 10:23:36 GMT -5
Just by enrollment figures Fremont is a definite no. They have more than 100 kids per gender than Norwalk and nearly 200 more per gender than Bellevue. Fremont may not be a powerhouse but at any moment, with good coaching and good student athletes, they could become dominant. Especially against schools so much smaller than them.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 11, 2018 10:44:45 GMT -5
Just by enrollment figures Fremont is a definite no. They have more than 100 kids per gender than Norwalk and nearly 200 more per gender than Bellevue. Fremont may not be a powerhouse but at any moment, with good coaching and good student athletes, they could become dominant. Especially against schools so much smaller than them. Do you think coaching is the issue right now?
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 11, 2018 11:00:35 GMT -5
Not saying its the only issue or the most prevalent, but when only four league titles have been won since joining the league across all sports I think it is something noteworthy. A school like Fremont Ross would be better off in the NLL, unfortunately there just isn't an opening at the moment.
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Post by sportsvideo on Dec 11, 2018 11:45:36 GMT -5
Just by enrollment figures Fremont is a definite no. They have more than 100 kids per gender than Norwalk and nearly 200 more per gender than Bellevue. Fremont may not be a powerhouse but at any moment, with good coaching and good student athletes, they could become dominant. Especially against schools so much smaller than them. . But they haven’t been overly strong in years. And I think it would take more than a super coach. Yet they’re in our back yard which would be an easy travel and a good gate.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 11, 2018 12:07:04 GMT -5
Maybe if the three tier system falls apart and separate leagues are made then they might be able to join one with local teams, but as the league is right now it would take more than proximity and poor play to admit them. Considering that would give the league an odd number of schools.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 11, 2018 12:55:11 GMT -5
I don't think coaching is the issue; I mean basically the whole staff were solid players from great teams under great coaches.....I believe they know football. I do realize some aren't happy it isn't hometown boy and current Whitmer head coach Kenny Winters leading the purple and white. At any rate, the culture in Fremont as it stands, doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by coachdappling on Dec 11, 2018 14:34:43 GMT -5
I was also told by a former Maumee AD and another "power broker" at Maumee that they both would love to see both Fremont and Clay let into the NLL. When I asked "why not then?" I was told:
1. Clay burned a lot of bridges with NLL schools (I don't know what he was referring to) 2. Ross would dominate. He did say that many people in the NLL hate change and that they confuse the football Ross of the 1970's and 1980's with the current Ross of today. I feel that in the last 10 years even Maumee would have competed with Ross in most sports and maybe even have the edge in a few.
As I have said dozens of times, as an administrator and parent, when thinking of league affiliations, you must think of ALL sports! Would Ross soccer come into the NLL and kick ***? Softball? Baseball? What about football? Ross would not have won the league every year or even been #2 in football the last ten years.
btw Jake...
Tiffin has had home/away series with Maumee and AW. Maumee has also had home and aways with Clyde and Perkins. Maumee is playing Perkins next year.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 11, 2018 15:38:53 GMT -5
Seeing Springfield win 3 of 4, and Napoleon giving Ross fits in the GBC, yeah, certainly not the Ross prior to Millennium. And that's not factoring great Southview teams about 10 years ago, nor recent AW teams. Despite finishing 4-3 in TRAC, it would have struggled in this year's Lake.
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Post by footballfan on Dec 11, 2018 18:02:01 GMT -5
SV, to be honest, I don't know. I do get the feeling Bellevue wouldn't be thrilled as well, but I could be mistaken. As far as Fremont, I had a discussion with a good friend about that last night; he says Ross doesn't belong. He implied Ross is too good for SBC Lake. Thoughts on that? I would have to agree. Why in the world would Bellevue want to drop to the Bay division. I think you schedule as tough as you can that makes sense to help you prepare for week 11. I believe this year they had the 5th toughest schedule in DIV. in the state. They go 5-5 and they would of probably made the playoffs this year. I say again SBC would be one of the best leagues in Ohio if they can manage to get to 8-8-8 (league divisions) like a normal leagues. Or at least what use to be normal. 3 non-league and 7 league games. Maybe in the future. As fare as Fremont goes I'm not sure if they would run the table every year but would they want in and have a schedule of 6 or 7 teams smaller then them? If I remember correctly Sandusky beat them this year and Sandusky finished 3rd in the Lake division correct?
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 11, 2018 18:21:58 GMT -5
As funny as it sounds, Sandusky finished last with Perkins. Their win over the Pirates was lone Lake W.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 11, 2018 18:56:38 GMT -5
If Fremont really wants out of the TRAC the OCC is not a bad option. Travel would definitely be worse if outside of Richland county but I think they could fit really well.
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Post by coachdappling on Dec 11, 2018 19:14:52 GMT -5
I was also told that Perrysburg is the #1 school fighting any sort of change in the NLL
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 11, 2018 19:47:48 GMT -5
If Fremont really wants out of the TRAC the OCC is not a bad option. Travel would definitely be worse if outside of Richland county but I think they could fit really well. OCC has issues of its own right now. Also, these schools didn't want Ross 30 years ago when the Ohio Heartland Conference was formed, and I don't think those feelings have changed.
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Post by richrod on Dec 11, 2018 19:54:35 GMT -5
SV, to be honest, I don't know. I do get the feeling Bellevue wouldn't be thrilled as well, but I could be mistaken. As far as Fremont, I had a discussion with a good friend about that last night; he says Ross doesn't belong. He implied Ross is too good for SBC Lake. Thoughts on that? I would have to agree. Why in the world would Bellevue want to drop to the Bay division. I think you schedule as tough as you can that makes sense to help you prepare for week 11. I believe this year they had the 5th toughest schedule in DIV. in the state. They go 5-5 and they would of probably made the playoffs this year. I say again SBC would be one of the best leagues in Ohio if they can manage to get to 8-8-8 (league divisions) like a normal leagues. Or at least what use to be normal. 3 non-league and 7 league games. Maybe in the future. As fare as Fremont goes I'm not sure if they would run the table every year but would they want in and have a schedule of 6 or 7 teams smaller then them? If I remember correctly Sandusky beat them this year and Sandusky finished 3rd in the Lake division correct? what is the current enrollment trend at the younger grades for Bellevue? I don't think they would say no to going to the bay, they are the only d4 team in the lake for football, and if enrollment isn't trending up, you would think they would eventually end up there. Now, I think Perkins or Clyde is the next smallest in the Lake so what are their enrollment trends. Enrollment numbers will be the only way there is a change in bay and lake teams, unless they add teams.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 11, 2018 19:56:07 GMT -5
I was also told that Perrysburg is the #1 school fighting any sort of change in the NLL Perrysburg is more than double the size of Maumee and Napoleon and almost double of Bowling Green. They also have a 200-300 student advantage over both Sylvania's and Springfield. And the town doesn't show signs of haulting its growth. This could possibly cause a swap in Perrysburg for Fremont Ross? What's the thread's take on this?
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Post by richrod on Dec 11, 2018 19:59:43 GMT -5
cab, that might be a nice switch... perrysburg wouldn't want it.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 11, 2018 20:02:17 GMT -5
Bellevue's enrollment is relatively the same with a slight decrease. Bellevue and Perkins are virtually the same for enrollment but with adjusted figures for transfers and out of district additions for competitive balance they ended up over the 276 limit for D4 football
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 11, 2018 20:32:10 GMT -5
Pburg wouldn't cswitch with Ross. Especially now I think the NLL is as competitive top-bottom as TRAC. In my opinion, in Yellow Jacket Country, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
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Post by kingmartinez on Dec 12, 2018 6:54:06 GMT -5
Perrysburg and Anthony Wayne will cause fracture in the NLL because of their size and no slowdown in sight. The delay right now is the lack of success most recently with the Yellow Jackets on the gridiron but the Generals have picked up where they left off. That expedites things. Like most, I believe the TRAC makes the most sense but it won't happen without a strong fight. Fremont and Clay would be perfect for the NLL, all things considered.
Any other talk of Napolean to the NWOAL or elsewhere?
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 12, 2018 8:30:09 GMT -5
Haven't heard of a Napoleon move. Might be a hard sell to the NWOAL since they have eight members and the smaller schools created a second league as not to play Naopleon from 1969-78. They might fit better in the NBC or WBL if those schools didn't already have an even number.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 12, 2018 9:05:42 GMT -5
I'm confused; Is Naptown unhappy in NLL as well?
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