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Post by kingmartinez on Dec 12, 2018 10:00:50 GMT -5
I'm confused; Is Naptown unhappy in NLL as well? From what I understood, there was interest and exploration in the NWOAL due to the size of the bigger schools in the NLL.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 12, 2018 10:09:35 GMT -5
Hmm, they competed well in GLL and GBC, and schools were generally bigger than current NLL.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 12, 2018 10:39:21 GMT -5
Hmm, they competed well in GLL and GBC, and schools were generally bigger than current NLL. Napoleon was also bigger at the time and the GBC featured schools that were bigger but not as competitive as they were in decades prior. Napoleon probably wants to get out since they're school is getting smaller and the NLL is getting bigger, or at least not shrinking.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 12, 2018 11:00:58 GMT -5
Heck, give them an invite to Lake Division! Actually, I did make a trip to Napoleon from Norwalk 10 years ago. Wasn't fun.
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Post by coachdappling on Dec 12, 2018 11:01:17 GMT -5
That is the crux of the issue...Pburg will never willingly leave the NLL. In five years though, when AW and Pburg have 1850 kids each (and Maumee has 750), that will be an issue.
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Post by coachdappling on Dec 12, 2018 11:02:08 GMT -5
Pburg wasn't really that bad this year. They were overscheduled in their non-league games and had their top two QB's get hurt.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 12, 2018 13:12:27 GMT -5
That is the crux of the issue...Pburg will never willingly leave the NLL. In five years though, when AW and Pburg have 1850 kids each (and Maumee has 750), that will be an issue. Ok, I'm confused again; are AW and Pburg growing that fast? I ask because Pburg was Division I in 2001 and 2007, but is Division II nowadays. I realize it's also in relation to others getting smaller, but wonder if it's not as bad as one thinks.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 12, 2018 14:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by kingmartinez on Dec 12, 2018 15:17:04 GMT -5
That is the crux of the issue...Pburg will never willingly leave the NLL. In five years though, when AW and Pburg have 1850 kids each (and Maumee has 750), that will be an issue. Ok, I'm confused again; are AW and Pburg growing that fast? I ask because Pburg was Division I in 2001 and 2007, but is Division II nowadays. I realize it's also in relation to others getting smaller, but wonder if it's not as bad as one thinks. Keep in mind they've since added a seventh division so D I is now the top 10% schools based on enrollment (after competitive balance is applied). That started in 2013. This year the DI cut was 619. Perrysburg was 610. They were the second largest D II school this year. AW's enrollment numbers were 532. PBurg was 522 in 2015-17 numbers while Anthony Wayne was 498. Yes - they are exploding. Fremont is 461 and Napoleon is 259.
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Post by fliers62 on Dec 12, 2018 15:35:09 GMT -5
I know it has been a while since I have actually posted, but what I would love to see is the actual discussions from AD's and stuff. I realize there is a reason behind these being private, but I would actually like to see the hate spewing from their mouth. I'd like to see what they really want out of the conference and divisions.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 12, 2018 16:05:36 GMT -5
Ok, I'm confused again; are AW and Pburg growing that fast? I ask because Pburg was Division I in 2001 and 2007, but is Division II nowadays. I realize it's also in relation to others getting smaller, but wonder if it's not as bad as one thinks.     Keep in mind they've since added a seventh division so D I is now the top 10% schools based on enrollment (after competitive balance is applied). That started in 2013. This year the DI cut was 619. Perrysburg was 610. They were the second largest D II school this year. AW's enrollment numbers were 532. PBurg was 522 in 2015-17 numbers while Anthony Wayne was 498. Yes - they are exploding.  Fremont is 461 and Napoleon is 259. Thank you, King. That helps me understand it better.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 12, 2018 16:10:41 GMT -5
I know it has been a while since I have actually posted, but what I would love to see is the actual discussions from AD's and stuff. I realize there is a reason behind these being private, but I would actually like to see the hate spewing from their mouth. I'd like to see what they really want out of the conference and divisions. It certainly would be interesting to know with all apologies me being Captain Obvious
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Post by footballfan on Dec 15, 2018 15:55:01 GMT -5
I would have to agree. Why in the world would Bellevue want to drop to the Bay division. I think you schedule as tough as you can that makes sense to help you prepare for week 11. I believe this year they had the 5th toughest schedule in DIV. in the state. They go 5-5 and they would of probably made the playoffs this year. I say again SBC would be one of the best leagues in Ohio if they can manage to get to 8-8-8 (league divisions) like a normal leagues. Or at least what use to be normal. 3 non-league and 7 league games. Maybe in the future. As fare as Fremont goes I'm not sure if they would run the table every year but would they want in and have a schedule of 6 or 7 teams smaller then them? If I remember correctly Sandusky beat them this year and Sandusky finished 3rd in the Lake division correct? what is the current enrollment trend at the younger grades for Bellevue? I don't think they would say no to going to the bay, they are the only d4 team in the lake for football, and if enrollment isn't trending up, you would think they would eventually end up there. Now, I think Perkins or Clyde is the next smallest in the Lake so what are their enrollment trends. Enrollment numbers will be the only way there is a change in bay and lake teams, unless they add teams. Enrollment is only good for keeping you in a division but doesn't help prepare your team for a playoff run. I'm here to tell you the head coach is not interested in dropping to the weaker bay division. Only gain would be winning the league the league almost every year. So yes I'm thinking they would say NO. A marshmallow schedule does nothing for preparing the kids for week 11. Plus you can't even get a bay team to play a non-league game with Bellevue, you think they want them in the bay division. LOL Just saying.
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Post by richrod on Dec 15, 2018 16:01:17 GMT -5
what is the current enrollment trend at the younger grades for Bellevue? I don't think they would say no to going to the bay, they are the only d4 team in the lake for football, and if enrollment isn't trending up, you would think they would eventually end up there. Now, I think Perkins or Clyde is the next smallest in the Lake so what are their enrollment trends. Enrollment numbers will be the only way there is a change in bay and lake teams, unless they add teams. Enrollment is only good for keeping you in a division but doesn't help prepare your team for a playoff run. I'm here to tell you the head coach is not interested in dropping to the weaker bay division. Only gain would be winning the league the league almost every year. So yes I'm thinking they would say NO. A marshmallow schedule does nothing for preparing the kids for week 11. Plus you can't even get a bay team to play a non-league game with Bellevue, you think they want them in the bay division. LOL Just saying. did you discuss this with the coach?
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 15, 2018 18:18:05 GMT -5
Footballfan, Port Clinton is holding for you on Line 2.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 15, 2018 21:12:33 GMT -5
Other than former member Shelby, who was with Bellevue in the NOL, Port Clinton is the only Bay school to schedule against Bellevue. The only other is Huron which has been off and on throughout the years now. Bellevue has Edison, Oak Harbor and Vermilion refuse to play even during week 5 when it would be beneficial to both schools, especially for region 14 points. It is understandable why Oak Harbor doesn't play against Bellevue though since they scrimmage each other every year. Hopefully moving forward they can play more Bay schools so they don't have to travel hours to play games anymore.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 16, 2018 11:25:28 GMT -5
Bellevue and PC scrimmaged as well. OH could also scrap scrimmage, and put Redmen on the schedule.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 16, 2018 12:13:51 GMT -5
The main thing is why schedule Bellevue if they more often then not have a winning record? The stands would be packed which would be a plus but more than likely wouldn't get playoff points. I am on the side of Bellevue playing Bay schools however.
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Post by footballfan on Dec 18, 2018 12:54:25 GMT -5
Yea Bellevue would get all kinds of computer points playing Bay schools. It would not make sense IMO.
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Post by richrod on Dec 18, 2018 14:01:08 GMT -5
Yea Bellevue would get all kinds of computer points playing Bay schools. It would not make sense IMO. you never answered my question from your last post. did you discuss not playing bay teams with the coach?
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Post by footballfan on Dec 18, 2018 17:00:51 GMT -5
If you have to ask that question you don't know anything about our coach. Next time I'm with him in the field house or talk to him I will ask and see what he has to say about the Bay. I'm pretty sure I know what he thinks about the schools that won't play us from the bay. You have no clue!!!!
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Post by richrod on Dec 18, 2018 20:33:45 GMT -5
If you have to ask that question you don't know anything about our coach. Next time I'm with him in the field house or talk to him I will ask and see what he has to say about the Bay. I'm pretty sure I know what he thinks about the schools that won't play us from the bay. You have no clue!!!! Wait a minute, its one thing if they are mad the bay schools won't play, its another to say that if Huron, OH, Edison, Vermilion wanted to play Bellevue that they would say no. I would sumise that Bellevue would play those schools if they wanted to play.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 18, 2018 21:05:51 GMT -5
Especially Huron
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 18, 2018 21:29:49 GMT -5
Playoff points over a same region foe More ticket sales A strong likelihood of winning but not guraneteed
It would be great for Bellevue to have these schools on the schedule but the contract needs two signatures
Bellevue would definitely play a bay school over a northeast region school in a heartbeat
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 18, 2018 22:00:15 GMT -5
I do find it fascinating these schools are willing to play Norwalk, but not Bellevue.
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Post by sportsvideo on Dec 19, 2018 6:34:00 GMT -5
I do find it fascinating these schools are willing to play Norwalk, but not Bellevue. we want to play the best. feel honored its you!
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 19, 2018 9:19:09 GMT -5
Was that the premise when Huron scheduled Norwalk? We weren't a Final Four squad when the ink was drying. Bellevue was.
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Post by richrod on Dec 19, 2018 10:24:43 GMT -5
I do find it fascinating these schools are willing to play Norwalk, but not Bellevue. we want to play the best. feel honored its you! sportsvideo with the homer comment of the night. The scuttle was Huron didn't want to play Bellevue in football anymore. Let's be honest, when Huron was scheduling Norwalk, they didn't know they would be as good as they were last year. Don't even bring up the scrimmage because its a scrimmage. If Huron wants to play the best then they outta beef up that non league schedule, they coulda played bellevue, clyde, tiffin, in one of those open weeks. They don't want to play them and soon they will weasel out of the Norwalk contract.
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Post by gibby23 on Dec 19, 2018 11:32:04 GMT -5
To me it's a compliment to Bellevue and their very successful program that schools in the same division as Bellevue, but in the SBC Bay, (Huron, Edison and Vermilion) do not want to play Bellevue.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Dec 19, 2018 11:36:53 GMT -5
I enjoy how critical people find the non-conference scheduling to whether or not a team will find success. I agree that playing tougher competition breeds a higher level of competency when facing subsequent high-caliber teams. But let's be real, upgrading one's schedule is usually not the difference between life and death in the first two rounds of the playoffs for football (or Districts/Regionals in basketball, what have you).
Unless your team is steamrolling everybody ala Norwalk basketball 2011-12 through 2013-14, or you have pronounced, consistent success ala Clyde/Bellevue since the 90s, then your team better focus on going undefeated. Trust your conference schedules, folks. This scheduling nonsense is one big lousy excuse for the fact that your team couldn't get it done or you want to drive somewhere local. Too bad. Be an adult about it. I'd rather have local teams refuse to play me and essentially be assured 7-11 wins in a season than the other way around.
Shelby has had a near identical non-conference schedule since 2000 (I did a post on this somewhere, where basically Clyde, Tiffin, Bellevue, and Norwalk shake-up their non-conference schedule WAY more than Shelby does). How many Shelby teams couldn't get it done because they didn't have the most robust schedule possible? 2017? And even then, what was really holding 2017 Shelby back in that 35-22 loss to Steubenville? The fact they didn't try to play Sandusky or Clinton-Massie or Lorain or whoever in the regular season or the fact that Steuby was better? If Shelby had played Steubenville's schedule that year, would Shelby have had the mettle to take down the Big Red? Maybe, but I'm not writing an op-ed piece about it.
Huron wasn't going to beat Van Wert no matter what non-conference schedule they rolled out. Shoot, until Huron is downright spanking everybody, I don't see the point in them going through Clyde, Tiffin, Bellevue, etc. when they are going to lose to Port Clinton and Oak Harbor.
I swear, it is endless crying or shaming of schedules from some of you. It matters, but the bellyaching about it is so overplayed on here it's insane.
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