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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 17:41:08 GMT -5
You SHOULD care about what basketball was like before the 3-point line. Almost all coaches before that year wanted a lot of "dribble driving", yes even before your "era". A "dribble drive" that resulted in a close shot paid the same as an "outside" shot and the 5 was higher. A motion offense can get players good looks for 3-pointers OR facilitate "dribble drives". Only a neophyte would think dribble drives only happen in a "dribble drive" offense. In an offense like Norwalk's, Haraway is given pretty the a green light to "dribble drive" any time he wants to. Out of no offense. no set plays, without a pick, just do it. You have me confused with someone else. I have NEVER claimed the biggest asset of Wesson is to free up outside shooters. His high % shots in the paint will garner more points over an extended period than his passes to 3 point shooters. AGAIN, that is why teams double team him in the post. They want to stop an easy 2-pointer and allow 3-pointers. Believe it or not, college coaches look at and play by the percentages. number 1, don’t tell me what I should and shouldn’t care about. Number 2, actually I do know somewhat the game was like before the 3 point line. Most everyone just sat in zone. What does Haraway have to do with this conversation? The reason he has the green light is because he’s the only one on that team that take anyone to the basket
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 11, 2019 17:51:24 GMT -5
We were talking college basketball, Successful big men in college basketball. NOW you've expanded the discussion to the NBA?? Typical of LOSERS of debates. IF we were talking NBA, the list would have been different. ALL of those players were successful college players. ALL were inside players in college. I left of that list "centers" who shot a significant # of 3-pointers in college. The players you say are hitting 3-pointers NOW, make like 1/game, 90+ % of their scoring STILL comes in or around the paint. Wesson even hits a 3-pointer on occasion.
Not all are 7 footers, some on that list are 6-9. What they all have in common is they all were similar to Wesson's offense in college, though they were better than Wesson ever will be.
Somethings NEVER change, as you have just proven. In business as well as basketball. ALL basketball coaches, at ALL levels, in ALL eras, would like to have a BIG inside player, that can score on high % shots, clog up the lane and/or block/deter shots on "dribble drives". From George Mikan to the present day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 17:58:27 GMT -5
We were talking college basketball, Successful big ment in college basketball. NOW you've expanded the discussion to the NBA?? Typical of LOSERS of debates. IF we were talking NBA, the list would have been different. ALL of those players were successful college players. ALL were inside players in college. I left of that list "centers" who shot a significant # of 3-pointers in college. The players you say are hitting 3-pointers NOW, make like 1/game, 90+ % of their scoring STILL comes in or around the paint. Wesson even hits a 3-pointer on occasion, but that does change the fact, like other COLLEGE players on that list. Not all are 7 footers, some on that list are 6-9. What they all have in common is they all were similar to Wesson in College, inside players, even though they were better than Wesson ever will be. Somethings NEVER change, as you have just proven. In business as well as basketball. ALL basketball coaches, at ALL levels, in ALL eras, would like to have a BIG inside player, that can score on high % shots, clog up the lane and/or block/deter shots on "dribble drives". Nurkic didn’t play college basketball. Your Ontario analogy contradicts everything you trying to say. I don’t see any college coaches recruiting players they don’t want. Name the last team to win a natty with a “dominate” center. Davis at Kentucky? That was 7 years ago.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 11, 2019 18:15:46 GMT -5
Nurkik played at a lesser level over seas as college is to the NBA.
The Ontario example proved that even when an offense was ran to get good shots for 3-point shooters your silly "dribble drive era" is not an "era". "Dribble drive" has been around forever. "Dribble drive" is used if a coach has or does not have a "big man".
Who said anything about dominate?? GOOD big men are BY FAR the rarest commodity in basketball. That's why 6-9+ good high school players will get a Div1 scholarship before a good 6-0 PG or a 6-4 wing everyday. Another Ontario example. One of their players was 2nd Team All-Ohio, averaged just 14/game and got a scholarship to a Div1 school. The ONLY player to get a Div1 scholarship in Ontario history. Ontario has had several other 1st or 2nd Team All-Ohio players, none got a sniff at a Div1 scholarship. WHY?? The only one to get one was 6-9 240 in high school. Got off the ground and had good hands and feet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 18:32:40 GMT -5
Nurkik played at a lesser level over seas as college is to the NBA. The Ontario example proved that even when an offense was ran to get good shots for 3-point shooters your silly "dribble drive era" is not an "era". "Dribble drive" has been around forever. "Dribble drive" is used if a coach has or does not have a "big man". Who said anything about dominate?? GOOD big men are BY FAR the rarest commodity in basketball. That's why 6-9+ good high school players will get a Div1 scholarship before a good 6-0 PG or a 6-4 wing everyday. Another Ontario example. One of their players was 2nd Team All-Ohio, averaged just 14/game and got a scholarship to a Div1 school. The ONLY player to get a Div1 scholarship in Ontario history. Ontario has had several other 1st or 2nd Team All-Ohio players, none got a sniff at a Div1 scholarship. WHY?? The only one to get one was 6-9 240 in high school. Got off the ground and had good hands and feet. You remind me of a woman pmsing, so I’m going to take my father’s advice when a woman is lexperiencing that. Leave her alone
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 11, 2019 18:37:10 GMT -5
Just the facts mam.
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Post by dude on Mar 11, 2019 20:31:18 GMT -5
Buckeyes open the Big Ten Tournament with Indiana Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 6:35:48 GMT -5
Buckeyes open the Big Ten Tournament with Indiana Thursday. basically an elimination game. Loser will likely not make The tourney
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Post by dude on Mar 12, 2019 7:41:41 GMT -5
Buckeyes open the Big Ten Tournament with Indiana Thursday. basically an elimination game. Loser will likely not make The tourney Lunardi has them as a 12 seed.
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Post by utsherman on Mar 12, 2019 14:39:33 GMT -5
basically an elimination game. Loser will likely not make The tourney Lunardi has them as a 12 seed. Jerry Palm has them as an 11 seed as of this morning, matching up with Buffalo.
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Post by dude on Mar 13, 2019 4:43:37 GMT -5
Lunardi has them as a 12 seed. Jerry Palm has them as an 11 seed as of this morning, matching up with Buffalo. The question is, which one has a better grip on reality. My Lunardi or your Palm.
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Post by utsherman on Mar 13, 2019 9:08:33 GMT -5
Jerry Palm has them as an 11 seed as of this morning, matching up with Buffalo. The question is, which one has a better grip on reality. My Lunardi or your Palm. Nicely done! At any rate, I was just providing another national perspective on seeding. I'm sure both of these prognosticators has watched more basketball this year than most, but not sure how much time they've spent really watching tOSU play. As a fan, I hope they get in - but I'm not sure they're deserving of either of these seedings. When the crown-jewel of your resume continues to hinge on that Bearcat victory from game one of the season, I don't hold my breath. It would be interesting to see them in one of the play-in games though. Maybe they could get hot in the Big Ten tournament, and then make a small run in the big dance. But don't 'hold' me to that prediction. See what I did there?
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Post by dude on Mar 13, 2019 9:15:13 GMT -5
Funny. Maybe the NIT would be better for them. If they lose the first game of the Big Ten I would not see them to make either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 11:44:57 GMT -5
Funny. Maybe the NIT would be better for them. If they lose the first game of the Big Ten I would not see them to make either. There’s no way they aren’t invited to the NIT. Espn wants as many big name programs as possible
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 13, 2019 14:12:52 GMT -5
No one can argue that this team is deserving of an NCAA bid. They certainly are not, but I simply want them to get additional court time and the NIT could afford them a couple of games for further development. These guys need all the additional work they can get, hoping to improve and become a competitive team next season.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 13, 2019 18:43:57 GMT -5
St. Mary's beating Gonzaga took a spot away from the Indiana/Ohio State winner.
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Post by dude on Mar 13, 2019 20:24:16 GMT -5
Funny. Maybe the NIT would be better for them. If they lose the first game of the Big Ten I would not see them to make either. There’s no way they aren’t invited to the NIT. Espn wants as many big name programs as possible Agreed. So we agree that Ohio State may not make it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 20:26:24 GMT -5
If they lose tomorrow they are out
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Post by DrTorch on Mar 13, 2019 22:03:23 GMT -5
Tomorrow is an elimination game and there is a chance neither team gets in. The loser if def out tho.
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Post by utsherman on Mar 14, 2019 13:20:34 GMT -5
This is a different looking team with Kaleb Wesson on the floor. He may be inconsistent, but his impact is clear when he can stay on the floor. Already with 12 boards, altering shots, and causing match-up nightmares for the Hoosiers right now. Buckeyes up 20 with around 8 minutes left.
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Post by utsherman on Mar 14, 2019 13:30:30 GMT -5
Of course now, Buckeyes gonna Buckeyes. Hoosiers go on 13-0 run to cut the deficit to 7 with 4 minutes to go. Yikes.
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Post by utsherman on Mar 14, 2019 14:01:33 GMT -5
Buckeyes hang on for the 79-75 win and move on.
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 14, 2019 15:17:19 GMT -5
basically an elimination game. Loser will likely not make The tourney Lunardi has them as a 12 seed. Not even close was he? Buckeyes 8 seed, Indiana 9 seed.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 14, 2019 17:55:42 GMT -5
How do you know Buckeyes are an 8 seed and Indiana is a 9 seed? Seeds don't come out until Sunday. I think your 8 and 9 were the seeds in the Big Ten Tournament.
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 14, 2019 19:20:33 GMT -5
How do you know Buckeyes are an 8 seed and Indiana is a 9 seed? Seeds don't come out until Sunday. I think your 8 and 9 were the seeds in the Big Ten Tournament. I guess I wasn't specific enough. I was replying to dude, thinking B1G tourney......sorry. I have't a clue how the NCAA will shake out.
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Post by dude on Mar 14, 2019 20:04:39 GMT -5
Lunardi has them as a 12 seed. Not even close was he? Buckeyes 8 seed, Indiana 9 seed. Lunardi does the NCAA Tourney. Not the Big Ten.
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 15, 2019 5:40:36 GMT -5
Not even close was he? Buckeyes 8 seed, Indiana 9 seed. Lunardi does the NCAA Tourney. Not the Big Ten. I got ya......
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Post by utsherman on Mar 15, 2019 13:51:29 GMT -5
Buckeyes lose 77-70 to the Spartans. Wow. What a difference a day can make. And of course the opposition. As soon as Kaleb had to sit after his Flagrant 1 at around the 16 minute mark of the second half, the momentum totally shifted. He gets back in the game at around 10 minutes remaining, and almost immediately fouls out. This offense is non-existent when he's out. They quickly fell behind by 20 and it was game over. Now they scrapped back within single digits in garbage time, but the damage was done. On a side note, Justin Ahrens has totally disappeared after his anomalous game. I was really hoping we found something to utilize in tandem with Wesson's inside presence. Nope. I think it's a razor's edge to get in. Maybe they'll sneak into the First Four down the road in Dayton.
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 15, 2019 16:22:31 GMT -5
Except for the bad moments mid-second half, they played fairly well. I think they made the game a positive in the eyes of the NCAA selection committee.
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Post by dirkadirka on Mar 17, 2019 22:40:05 GMT -5
At least the Bucks aren't in the west. scUM got screwed having to go all the way out there.
3 ACC teams get 1-seeds?
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