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Post by sportsjock on Jan 3, 2017 11:40:49 GMT -5
I knew Beck was history...no surprise.
I've been a Kevin Wilson fan since he took the helm at Indiana. Was quite surprised at his release, since he seemed to be making continuous progress with the Hoosier football program.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 3, 2017 13:25:45 GMT -5
One thing that will be interesting to see is what JT does. He could transfer to Texas or anywhere for a season if he chooses or stay put and finish as a 3 time Captain at OSU. I have mixed emotions, because I'm not sure his skill set is at a level to utilize the WR's and passing game we should have next season with Wilson.
That said----an improved OL would go a long way in helping his pocket presence and confidence. If he can't break some really bad habits,,it might be time to move on at QB.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 3, 2017 14:57:31 GMT -5
Looks like Beck is leaving to be OC at Texas. Been reading that Kevin Wilson may be next in line to be OC here. Lots of smoke with him and usually where there's smoke there's fire. Interesting, Herman is revered for his work at Ohio State, Beck is hated for his work at Ohio State, but Herman wants Beck as his O-coordinator. You see, even Herman knows there isn't ANYONE out there that can come close to the O-coordinator he was. Urban can search and search and search and he will never find any close to another Herman.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 3, 2017 15:04:59 GMT -5
That said----an improved OL would go a long way in helping his pocket presence and confidence. If he can't break some really bad habits,,it might be time to move on at QB. Why would JT transfer??? There is no where he can go and play with better players or a better head coach. Fifth Year Senior transfers leave bad teams to play for better teams. Urban's #1 quality in a QB is leadership. Is there a better one at Ohio State? #2 is the ability to run the read option. Is there someone better at Ohio State? #3 is the ability to scramble for plus yardage and extend pass plays? Is someone at Ohio State better? #4 is passing. Don't take my word. Research Urban's QBs and their qualities.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 3, 2017 15:23:25 GMT -5
If he leaves it's because Urban and the OC tells him they are going to be running a different type of offense. I'm not the coach. Not saying it will happen,,but I'm guessing all options are on the table and are being thought through. They're in a bit of s tough spot, is JT good enough as a passer to throw to a guy who can get open? Can JT break his habit of holding the ball too long in the pocket before A--passing it or B running it---all to limit the large number of sacks he took this year?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 3, 2017 16:38:11 GMT -5
If he leaves it's because Urban and the OC tells him they are going to be running a different type of offense. I'm not the coach. Not saying it will happen,,but I'm guessing all options are on the table and are being thought through. They're in a bit of s tough spot, is JT good enough as a passer to throw to a guy who can get open? Can JT break his habit of holding the ball too long in the pocket before A--passing it or B running it---all to limit the large number of sacks he took this year? LOLOLOLOLOL You actually believe some new guy is going to tell Urban he has to stop using the offense that has won 11 Conference or Division titles in 15 years, Has won him 10 out of 13 bowl games. Gave him a record of 61-6 at Ohio State. Won him 3 national Titles. Has given him the highest winning % of any active coach in the country? LOLOLOLOLOL BTW, Ryan Day was a grad assistant for Urban, running this offense. Day worked for Chip Kelly running this same offense. There WILL NOT be a "new" offense at Ohio State as long as Urban is the HC. For someone to replace JT they will have to show they have better leadership qualities than the only 3 time captain in Ohio State history. They will have to show they can run the read option better than JT. They will have to show they're a better runner/scrambler than JT. Have you done your research?
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 3, 2017 17:28:56 GMT -5
this team needs a few tweaks not an overhaul
i'm fine with Barrett but he needs help at RB and i don't think he will ever get enough from Weber to open things up for him the way he needs to be successful against better defenses
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Post by 4 on Jan 3, 2017 17:48:52 GMT -5
Weber was bashed by many for 2 fumbles. But we gotta bring em up not tear em down. He is a freshman. He went over 1000 yards. I would like to see a duo of running backs tho. Maybe dobbins or McCall in there.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 3, 2017 18:19:50 GMT -5
i hope you're right
i remember Eddie George's fumbles as a soph vs Illini
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 3, 2017 22:38:22 GMT -5
I'm sorry to see Malik Booker leaving us so soon, followed by Gareon Conley and Lattimore is mulling his options. Personally, My competitive spirit and pride, wouldn't allow me to walk away from a 31-0 debacle and bail. There is a ton of unfinished business. You might have a lot of ca$h in hand, but so much to prove. If I were a player on this team, that decision would probably haunt me and eat at me to my dying days.....just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 7:59:31 GMT -5
I'm sorry to see Malik Booker leaving us so soon, followed by Gareon Conley and Lattimore is mulling his options. Personally, My competitive spirit and pride, wouldn't allow me to walk away from a 31-0 debacle and bail. There is a ton of unfinished business. You might have a lot of ca$h in hand, but so much to prove. If I were a player on this team, that decision would probably haunt me and eat at me to my dying days.....just saying. You go to college to find your career. These guys have found it and their stock isn't going to be any higher. Moving on is best for them and their families. You're always one away for your career being over. Sure everyone wants them to stay and they probably do too, but you got to get paid. Conley is a redshirt junior that has graduated.
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Post by tommygunn on Jan 4, 2017 8:23:56 GMT -5
I personally think it is time for OSU to move on from JT just like they did with their O coordinator. He still has huge inaccuracy issues and is a senior now and is no longer the future of OSU football.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 4, 2017 9:26:49 GMT -5
I personally think it is time for OSU to move on from JT just like they did with their O coordinator. He still has huge inaccuracy issues and is a senior now and is no longer the future of OSU football. I'm not ready to throw JT out with yesterdays garbage...just quite yet and I'm absolutely Urban feels the same way. Urban tells us the kid possesses a great football mind and leadership qualities to go along with elusive running abilities. His recent inaccuracy issues may be correctable with the right QB coach and OC. Let's give coach Day and coach Wilson the opportunity to identify and assess the problems and perhaps rectify things.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 4, 2017 11:49:05 GMT -5
Fillmore JT staying or not is absolutely on the table at OSU for Meyer. If they didn't have other options-- it might not be. I'm not at practice but I read a lot from Scout and Rivals from their Inside guys and of course Birm---we will have 3 other QB's to pick from next year. If they deem them as better than JT at passing the ball as a serious upgrade----JT will be advised as such. Don't be naive to think that loyalty over rides job security for numerous people. I love what JT has done at OSU--but one has to wonder when you watch all other teams play and yes even the NFL---Could OSU do better at the QB position?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 4, 2017 14:53:03 GMT -5
JT staying is Meyer's decision to make??? I have news for ya. When Cardale ASKED Urban for his help in deciding if he should enter the draft or come back after his redshirt Senior year, Urban told him he wouldn't want to influence his decision.
You aren't paying attention. Of the 3 INEXPERIENCED QBs next year. Which one has better leadership abilities than JT? Which one runs the read option better than JT? Which is a better runner/scrambler than JT? The 3 most important qualities for Urban in HIS offense.
Hell, NO ONE even knows NOW who the better QBs are as far as passers are 1 through 4. As far as passing, who NOW 1 thru 4 knows the offense better?? Who NOW 1 thru 4 knows the receivers better?? Who NOW 1 thru 4 can go through his progressions better?? Who NOW 1 thru 4 can read defenses better?? Who NOW 1-4 can make check offs better?? Notice I said nothing about who has the better arm, due to it being the least important quality for a QB in Urban's offense.
The reason I say NOW is that YOUR SUPPOSED decision by Meyer on JT(LOL), MUST be made NOW. Players have to declare for the draft in 2 weeks, if that is what Urban is going to MAKE JT do.
Telling us you're a QB guru, then ANSWER all of those questions 1 thru 4. If you can't without a guess or flipping a coin then Urban can't. As of NOW Urban has seen JT take 90% of the snaps. He's seen Burrow take 10% of the snaps. He's only seen Haskins play QB for the scout team. He's never seen Martel even participate in an Ohio State practice.
The decision on who the best QBs 1 thru 4 for URBAN'S offense CAN NOT be made until at least after spring practice. Why would he want to eliminate by far the most experienced of the 4 before then?
If for some unbelievably strange reason Urban doesn't want JT in his QB competition for next year. He WOULD NOT tell him to enter the draft. He WOULD NOT tell him to transfer. What he WOULD do is ask him to be a grad assistant on his coaching staff working with the QBs. Due to the fact that Urban has said that of all the players he has ever coached, JT would make the best Head Coach.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 4, 2017 14:56:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry to see Malik Booker leaving us so soon, followed by Gareon Conley and Lattimore is mulling his options. Personally, My competitive spirit and pride, wouldn't allow me to walk away from a 31-0 debacle and bail. There is a ton of unfinished business. You might have a lot of ca$h in hand, but so much to prove. If I were a player on this team, that decision would probably haunt me and eat at me to my dying days.....just saying. possibly the dumbest thing i have ever read on the internet Malik Hooker was the best player on the field in every game he played this year. He has absolutely nothing to prove on the college level. If I am a NFL GM he is a top-7 pick AT LEAST. Only a fool would return to the college game after a year like he had. His body of work screams ready for the next level.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 4, 2017 14:57:30 GMT -5
JT staying is Meyer's decision to make??? I have news for ya. When Cardale ASKED Urban for his help in deciding if he should enter the draft or come back after his redshirt Junior year, Urban told him he wouldn't want to influence his decision. You aren't paying attention. Of the 3 INEXPERIENCED QBs next year. Which one has better leadership abilities than JT? Which one runs the read option better than JT? Which is a better runner/scrambler than JT? The 3 most important qualities for Urban in HIS offense. Hell, NO ONE even knows NOW who the better QBs are as far as passers are 1 through 4. As far as passing, who NOW 1 thru 4 knows the offense better?? Who NOW 1 thru 4 knows the receivers better?? Who NOW 1 thru 4 can go through his progressions better?? Who NOW 1 thru 4 can read defenses better?? Who NOW 1-4 can make check offs better?? Notice I said nothing about who has the better arm, due to it being the least important quality of a QB in Urban's offense. The reason I saw NOW is that YOUR SUPPOSED decision by Meyer on JT(LOL), MUST be made NOW. Players have to declare for the draft in 2 weeks, if that is what Urban is going to MAKE JT do. Telling us you're a QB guru then ANSWER all of those questions 1 thru 4. If you can't without guess or flipping a coin then Urban can't. After this year Urban has seen JT take 90% of the snaps. He's seen Burrows take 10% of the snaps. He's seen Haskins take zero snaps with the Ohio State offense. Hes never seen Martel even participate in an Ohio State practice. The decision on who the best QBs 1 thru 4 for URBAN'S offense are CAN NOT be made until at least after spring practice. If for some unbelievably strange reason Urban doesn't want JT in his QB competition for next year. He WOULD NOT tell him to enter the draft. He WOULD NOT tell him to transfer. What he WOULD do is ask him to be a grad assistant on his coaching staff working with the QBs. BECAUSE, Urban has said of all the players he has coached, JT would make the best Head Coach. no one is drafting JT boss, try again
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 4, 2017 14:58:29 GMT -5
also, Barrett took 8 sacks vs UM...let's stop pretending he is Braxton Miller back there kk?
it's a good thing sportsjock posted ahead of you because you're running a close 2nd
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 4, 2017 15:08:05 GMT -5
JT staying is Meyer's decision to make??? I have news for ya. When Cardale ASKED Urban for his help in deciding if he should enter the draft or come back after his redshirt Junior year, Urban told him he wouldn't want to influence his decision. You aren't paying attention. Of the 3 INEXPERIENCED QBs next year. Which one has better leadership abilities than JT? Which one runs the read option better than JT? Which is a better runner/scrambler than JT? The 3 most important qualities for Urban in HIS offense. Hell, NO ONE even knows NOW who the better QBs are as far as passers are 1 through 4. As far as passing, who NOW 1 thru 4 knows the offense better?? Who NOW 1 thru 4 knows the receivers better?? Who NOW 1 thru 4 can go through his progressions better?? Who NOW 1 thru 4 can read defenses better?? Who NOW 1-4 can make check offs better?? Notice I said nothing about who has the better arm, due to it being the least important quality of a QB in Urban's offense. The reason I saw NOW is that YOUR SUPPOSED decision by Meyer on JT(LOL), MUST be made NOW. Players have to declare for the draft in 2 weeks, if that is what Urban is going to MAKE JT do. Telling us you're a QB guru then ANSWER all of those questions 1 thru 4. If you can't without guess or flipping a coin then Urban can't. After this year Urban has seen JT take 90% of the snaps. He's seen Burrows take 10% of the snaps. He's seen Haskins take zero snaps with the Ohio State offense. Hes never seen Martel even participate in an Ohio State practice. The decision on who the best QBs 1 thru 4 for URBAN'S offense are CAN NOT be made until at least after spring practice. If for some unbelievably strange reason Urban doesn't want JT in his QB competition for next year. He WOULD NOT tell him to enter the draft. He WOULD NOT tell him to transfer. What he WOULD do is ask him to be a grad assistant on his coaching staff working with the QBs. BECAUSE, Urban has said of all the players he has coached, JT would make the best Head Coach. no one is drafting JT boss, try again It's not me saying one of JT's options should be entering the draft underling, read closer.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 4, 2017 15:32:58 GMT -5
also, Barrett took 8 sacks vs UM...let's stop pretending he is Braxton Miller back there kk? it's a good thing sportsjock posted ahead of you because you're running a close 2nd AND what QB on the roster are you 100% certain would have been sacked fewer times? You're more of a ding-a-ling than sportsjock or buckeyekid if you think Urban is going to take JT's scholarship from him. It can't be done now, by Ohio State athletic department rules. A couple of years ago Ohio State changed their athletic scholarship policy. Stating that a scholarship can not be taken away from an athlete except for academic reasons or breaking specific Ohio State rules. Secondly, Urban wants to win a National Championship every year. It would be considered a "rebuilding" year if Urban got rid of JT and went with a completely inexperienced QB. "Rebuilding" is not acceptable at Ohio State under Urban. I could see someone other than JT being the starter at a certain point in the season, but IMO an inexperienced QB might not be able to win game 1 and most likely would lose game 2 for sure next year. Believe it or not, if you haven't looked, Ohio State starts the season with a Big Ten game, then plays Oklahoma in game 2.
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Post by 4 on Jan 4, 2017 15:47:47 GMT -5
Barrett has announced he will return next season. He will be the starters unless something crazy happens and is proven someone will do better. The accuracy and decision making can be fixed. I wanna see Haskins and martell have a chance after him. I personally haven't given up on Barrett. Kid is a leader.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 4, 2017 15:52:24 GMT -5
Fill, I don't think anyone has given up on him. I do think that if his accuracy does not improve from where it was this past year and his holding onto the ball too long ---that is not a good thing for OSU. As he has now stated he is coming back ---it's not worth arguing over. I just wanna see OSU win big amigo. I'm hoping Wilson can make us all compare him to Tom Herman.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 4, 2017 15:55:58 GMT -5
also, Barrett took 8 sacks vs UM...let's stop pretending he is Braxton Miller back there kk? it's a good thing sportsjock posted ahead of you because you're running a close 2nd AND what QB on the roster are you 100% certain would have been sacked fewer times? You're more of a ding-a-ling than sportsjock or buckeyekid if you think Urban is going to take JT's scholarship from him. It can't be done now, by Ohio State athletic department rules. A couple of years ago Ohio State changed their athletic scholarship policy. Stating that a scholarship can not be taken away from an athlete except for academic reasons or breaking specific Ohio State rules. Secondly, Urban wants to win a National Championship every year. It would be considered a "rebuilding" year if Urban got rid of JT and went with a completely inexperienced QB. "Rebuilding" is not acceptable at Ohio State under Urban. I could see someone other than JT being the starter at a certain point in the season, but IMO an inexperienced QB might not be able to win game 1 and most likely would lose game 2 for sure next year. Believe it or not, if you haven't looked, Ohio State starts the season with a Big Ten game, then plays Oklahoma in game 2. i don't think any of that and i think JT is the best QB on our roster...but i also think he is a very limited passer...i don't really see him transferring or being beat out for the starting job though so relax but i also think if there is a QB on the roster who somehow managed to prove to Urban that he was a better bet to win than Barrett that Urban wouldn't hesitate to start him we just got shutout in a bowl game for the first time in 97 years. Are you telling me Barrett bares no responsibility for that? Seriously? Even Troy Smith managed to put up some points vs FLA. Our offense was BAD man, legendarily bad. Everyone gets some blame but Barrett? Bs.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 4, 2017 16:00:59 GMT -5
JT is a VERY intelligent person. He has evaluated his NFL prospects honestly. Something than 90% of college players can't do. Coming back, which NO ONE can stop him from doing at Ohio State, other than himself. Means he will also get his Master's Degree paid for. If one already has a Masters Degree, he gets paid more as a grad assistant on a coaching staff. If he loses the starters job, he would handle that better than any other starting QB in the country. We already have conclusive evidence of that. JT then would be like having 2 QB coaches on a coaching staff.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 4, 2017 16:03:13 GMT -5
Fill, I don't think anyone has given up on him. I do think that if his accuracy does not improve from where it was this past year and his holding onto the ball too long ---that is not a good thing for OSU. As he has now stated he is coming back ---it's not worth arguing over. I just wanna see OSU win big amigo. I wasn't arguing. I was clearing up your misconception of what ANY head coach at Ohio State could do with an athlete's scholarship.
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Post by tommygunn on Jan 5, 2017 8:34:10 GMT -5
JT is not nor will ever be NFL talent. JT could get beat out this year, I could see it happening. Will, get off JT's nuts and everyone else's on here that does not agree with you. A little dose of humble is in store for you. You don't know it all, even though you think you do kid.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 5, 2017 9:12:24 GMT -5
JT is not nor will ever be NFL talent. JT could get beat out this year, I could see it happening. Will, get off JT's nuts and everyone else's on here that does not agree with you. A little dose of humble is in store for you. You don't know it all, even though you think you do kid. Bingo!
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Post by 94hoops on Jan 5, 2017 16:49:02 GMT -5
JT WILL BE ON THE FIELD next year for Ohio State barring injury. If he gets beat out at the QB position then I would expect Meyer to find away to use him in other creative ways.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 5, 2017 19:06:31 GMT -5
AND what QB on the roster are you 100% certain would have been sacked fewer times? You're more of a ding-a-ling than sportsjock or buckeyekid if you think Urban is going to take JT's scholarship from him. It can't be done now, by Ohio State athletic department rules. A couple of years ago Ohio State changed their athletic scholarship policy. Stating that a scholarship can not be taken away from an athlete except for academic reasons or breaking specific Ohio State rules. Secondly, Urban wants to win a National Championship every year. It would be considered a "rebuilding" year if Urban got rid of JT and went with a completely inexperienced QB. "Rebuilding" is not acceptable at Ohio State under Urban. I could see someone other than JT being the starter at a certain point in the season, but IMO an inexperienced QB might not be able to win game 1 and most likely would lose game 2 for sure next year. Believe it or not, if you haven't looked, Ohio State starts the season with a Big Ten game, then plays Oklahoma in game 2. i don't think any of that and i think JT is the best QB on our roster...but i also think he is a very limited passer...i don't really see him transferring or being beat out for the starting job though so relax but i also think if there is a QB on the roster who somehow managed to prove to Urban that he was a better bet to win than Barrett that Urban wouldn't hesitate to start him we just got shutout in a bowl game for the first time in 97 years. Are you telling me Barrett bares no responsibility for that? Seriously? Even Troy Smith managed to put up some points vs FLA. Our offense was BAD man, legendarily bad. Everyone gets some blame but Barrett? Bs. Every player who played in the game and every coach on the coaching staff bares responsibility.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 5, 2017 19:24:48 GMT -5
JT is not nor will ever be NFL talent. You just figured this out? Heck I said that 2 years ago. Urban's offense DOES NOT require an NFL talent QB. Do the research and see who the QBs have been in Urban's offenses. That have led to all the records in Urban's career. I don't know how many times this must be said for people to understand. So here it is for the umpteenth time. Urban's offense is a "Spread Read Option Offense, which is predicated upon running down hill in the A-Gaps." It is NOT based on throwing the ball. You are undoubtedly fooled when Urban says he wants a 50-50 break down in run vs pass plays. This comes from his Degree in Psychology. It holds true when playing weak teams. But when he goes against a top team Urban would prefer, if possible, something 65-35 run to pass. Don't forget, Urban is a HUGE disciple of Woody. Do you remember what Woody said about passes? If you want to see "NFL talent" QBs at Ohio State, start a movement to fire Urban.
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