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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 27, 2018 17:32:17 GMT -5
D4 Region 14 Quarterfinal - 7:00 Saturday
Highland is making their 8th playoff appearance and Clearview their 17th
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Post by smitty1974 on Oct 27, 2018 19:52:07 GMT -5
i like highland because clearview has played a weak pac conference and didnt face cross conference buckeye. they however faced amherstbut last few weeks amherst has slumped and conference foe columbia.but they have to face firelands,oberlin,lutheran west,fairview and wellington,painsville harvey,john hay and brookside.only beat 1 winning team columbia highland has played bloom carroll(8-2)( loss)beat east knox(8-2) and northmor(9-1) everyone else had losing records. so i guess i would rank it a toss up game.
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Post by Waterboy on Oct 28, 2018 11:40:35 GMT -5
Know absolutely nothing about Clearview aside from scores of their games. Should be interesting, I'm guessing Highland is just happy they got to avoid Saint Marys. Perhaps some Lake effect snow next week? LOL, hopefully not but should be a good one either way.
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Post by dude on Oct 28, 2018 12:13:40 GMT -5
If highland and Clear Fork win, where is the second round played? I think Mt Vernon would be perfect.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2018 13:40:37 GMT -5
Know absolutely nothing about Clearview aside from scores of their games. Should be interesting, I'm guessing Highland is just happy they got to avoid Saint Marys. Perhaps some Lake effect snow next week? LOL, hopefully not but should be a good one either way. LC always has a lot of athletes. Don't know if they have enough studs to stop Highland's power run game.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 28, 2018 13:40:56 GMT -5
Something I would like to see when the initial pairings are released is a listing of those schools that are on the facility list for 2nd and subsequent games in the playoffs.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 3, 2018 20:30:49 GMT -5
Clearview 30 Highland 16 final
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Post by A no.1 on Nov 3, 2018 21:36:39 GMT -5
A first round boot from the playoffs will be the norm for Highland as long as they are members of the KMAC.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 4, 2018 19:44:36 GMT -5
More important to be the big fish in the little pond.
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Post by pirate80 on Nov 4, 2018 20:34:04 GMT -5
Their early exit from the playoffs has nothing to do with being in the KMAC. They play a tough no League every year. Their best chance to advance in the playoffs would be to not be a DIV school. If they were back in the MOAC they lose to Clear Fork, Pleasant, still lose to Bloom Carrol. Possibly lose to BV or NU. Maybe still get in the playoffs at 7-3 and still lose in the first round....
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Post by galion on Nov 4, 2018 21:31:16 GMT -5
Their early exit from the playoffs has nothing to do with being in the KMAC. They play a tough no League every year. Their best chance to advance in the playoffs would be to not be a DIV school. If they were back in the MOAC they lose to Clear Fork, Pleasant, still lose to Bloom Carrol. Possibly lose to BV or NU. Maybe still get in the playoffs at 7-3 and still lose in the first round.... Not necessarily the case. I'm sorry, but Ontario and RV are not a "tough no league schedule". They play one good opponent, B-C. This has everything to do with playing in the KMAC. D6/7 fooball is in no way, shape or form comparable to good D3/4 football, especially in the playoffs. The number of athletes, speed of play, and complexity of schemes are night and day different. Fact is Highland IS a D4 school and would be middle of the pack size wise in the MOAC. Highland is only getting bigger. It wouldn't shock me to see them at D3 in the not too distant future. They have to athletes to be successful in the MOAC as they had little trouble against Ontario, RV, or Galion(scrimmage).
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Post by babymaker on Nov 4, 2018 22:51:43 GMT -5
Not sure why this comes up from people that were never here when they were in the MOAC. 1 they like the drives and until the league is tired of them I don't see them leaving. 2 big fish in a small pond and in the playoffs is better than middle of the pack and no playoffs? 3) They were the driving force out of the MOAC I am not a big fan of letting them back.
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Post by pirate80 on Nov 4, 2018 23:53:28 GMT -5
Their early exit from the playoffs has nothing to do with being in the KMAC. They play a tough no League every year. Their best chance to advance in the playoffs would be to not be a DIV school. If they were back in the MOAC they lose to Clear Fork, Pleasant, still lose to Bloom Carrol. Possibly lose to BV or NU. Maybe still get in the playoffs at 7-3 and still lose in the first round.... Not necessarily the case. I'm sorry, but Ontario and RV are not a "tough no league schedule". They play one good opponent, B-C. This has everything to do with playing in the KMAC. D6/7 fooball is in no way, shape or form comparable to good D3/4 football, especially in the playoffs. The number of athletes, speed of play, and complexity of schemes are night and day different. Fact is Highland IS a D4 school and would be middle of the pack size wise in the MOAC. Highland is only getting bigger. It wouldn't shock me to see them at D3 in the not too distant future. They have to athletes to be successful in the MOAC as they had little trouble against Ontario, RV, or Galion(scrimmage). I believe just last year they lost to Ontario... As is they can get in at 8-2 most likely. In the MOAC they would struggle to be 6-4 unless they are undefeated in non league play. For the millionth time, they are within 15 minutes of their three rivals (Cardington, Centerburg, and Frederick town). They have a developing rivalry with Northmor which could decide the league at least for one more year. They are the biggest school and have the easiest path to 8 wins in the conference. They are the central site in the league with nice short drives everywhere and currently have the best facilities in the league. Until they are consistently missing the playoffs they have absolutely NO reason to leave the KMAC. None.
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Post by stanley on Nov 5, 2018 6:53:48 GMT -5
They actually beat Ontario both this year & last. Just this past offseason there was already a board meeting on getting out of the KMAC basically solely for the sake of football. None of the coaches of the other sports would get on board with it. Not a whole lot more that can be done when that’s the case. No ones gonna move leagues with only 1 sport on board with it. Assanine to think they enjoy the fact that their gonna play 7 straight games that in no way prepares them for the playoffs. Ontario was supposed to be a good team last season, not Highlands fault that they choked, had a ton of injuries and head coach ran away, River Valley had been decent for awhile as well and has been a continuing non league game for them since the split. Can’t just cut a contract before it’s finished because you all of a sudden figured out a team would suck. Now on to the fact that someone is gonna pretend like the MOAC is good playoff prep for Region 14? That’s the most hilarious joke on this whole forum. What you mean is, is Clear Fork & Pleasant would be decent playoff prep. Would the MOAC be Better prep then the KMAC? Absolutely, but cmon don’t pretend like any of the teams other than Clear Fork and Pleasant in that laugher of a league would prepare them for region 14 either. The MOAC they used to be in never prepared them for it, once again with the exception of Pleasant. They were gonna beat Huron & Portsmouth West no matter what league they were in the years they beat them in the playoffs Lose to Milton Union, Micah Hyde lead Fostoria, & Ironton no matter the league in those years, and the loss to genoa similar to this past Saturday too many mistakes to win a playoff game no matter the league. Only difference with today’s MOAC, you have Clear Fork in addition to Pleasant. Ohio Capital would be the way to go in order to have playoff prep that would help them for region 14. MOAC though? Really? Highland shot themselves in the foot against Clearview, by no means were they A level below Clearview. Doesn’t matter what league they were in they weren’t winning Saturday night when they were creating extra opportunities for opponents in the playoffs. Meanwhile I’m still cracking up at the thought of trying to picture the MOAC being good prep for St Mary’s.
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Post by galion on Nov 5, 2018 7:49:28 GMT -5
They actually beat Ontario both this year & last. Just this past offseason there was already a board meeting on getting out of the KMAC basically solely for the sake of football. None of the coaches of the other sports would get on board with it. Not a whole lot more that can be done when that’s the case. No ones gonna move leagues with only 1 sport on board with it. Assanine to think they enjoy the fact that their gonna play 7 straight games that in no way prepares them for the playoffs. Ontario was supposed to be a good team last season, not Highlands fault that they choked, had a ton of injuries and head coach ran away, River Valley had been decent for awhile as well and has been a continuing non league game for them since the split. Can’t just cut a contract before it’s finished because you all of a sudden figured out a team would suck. Now on to the fact that someone is gonna pretend like the MOAC is good playoff prep for Region 14? That’s the most hilarious joke on this whole forum. What you mean is, is Clear Fork & Pleasant would be decent playoff prep. Would the MOAC be Better prep then the KMAC? Absolutely, but cmon don’t pretend like any of the teams other than Clear Fork and Pleasant in that laugher of a league would prepare them for region 14 either. The MOAC they used to be in never prepared them for it, once again with the exception of Pleasant. They were gonna beat Huron & Portsmouth West no matter what league they were in the years they beat them in the playoffs Lose to Milton Union, Micah Hyde lead Fostoria, & Ironton no matter the league in those years, and the loss to genoa similar to this past Saturday too many mistakes to win a playoff game no matter the league. Only difference with today’s MOAC, you have Clear Fork in addition to Pleasant. Ohio Capital would be the way to go in order to have playoff prep that would help them for region 14. MOAC though? Really? Highland shot themselves in the foot against Clearview, by no means were they A level below Clearview. Doesn’t matter what league they were in they weren’t winning Saturday night when they were creating extra opportunities for opponents in the playoffs. Meanwhile I’m still cracking up at the thought of trying to picture the MOAC being good prep for St Mary’s. 1. Laugher of a league? Wow. 2. Perhaps if they played in a conference where they actually had to play quality football in order to win most games then they wouldn't be making all of those mistakes come playoff time. No there are probably no St. Marys in the MOAC(although CF hasn't lost to them just yet) but they certainly would have been prepared to deal with Clearview. 3. It was not solely for the sake of football. Would you have us believe that their soccer program wishes to remain in a conference with no soccer? Or their wrestling coach wants to remain in a conference that can field maybe 3 full wrestling teams? Now their basketball programs, your volleyball program, and their track programs are probably pretty happy where they are. 4 In 2 years after that huge UPS complex opens up and they are sitting at D3 we shall see just how happy everyone is with struggling to capture an 8 seed with a 10-0, 9-1 record.
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Post by dude on Nov 5, 2018 8:18:05 GMT -5
IMO, neither the MOAC or the KMAC is a laughter. They both provide what their schools are looking for. Someone always has to be the biggest school and when that school has success in a profile sport people take shots. I know, I have done it. Any more I look at location, ticket sales and rivalries as the biggest factors for a long term league. Basically all three of those are shown in fan support in all sports and every season. If a team is undefeated fans will travel. But when your are the 4 touchdown underdog and still have a good crowd in the stands, it means something. Highland had a good season to be proud of and did it playing their rivals. Had they been in the MOAC they may not have seen week 11. On the other side of the coin, the MOAC would not provide anything for a soccer program that a independent schedule cannot. Other than a set 6 teams that they can still play.
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Post by stanley on Nov 5, 2018 8:36:40 GMT -5
Galion, MOAC does not equal quality football. Pleasant & Clear Fork equals quality football. Clear Fork is the only thing that makes the current MOAC anymore quality football then what the original MOAC was and Highland went to the playoffs 6 times while in that league and advanced twice. Had a 1 & done with Elgin. Had a 1 & done with Genoa which was very similar in terms of mistakes that last Saturday was, MOAC didn’t save them from those. Had a 1 & done with Fostoria lead by who would become a pro bowl defensive back, and a 1 & done with ironton which was very similar to their meeting with St Mary’s 2 years ago. Would a better quality schedule help? Yep absolutely. Would the MOAC help? Hell no we already know this. Apparently you missed this the first time, read carefully and slowly, and wipe the drool off your keyboard or phone once your done. Im not making claims defending Highlands schedule or the KMAC, I’m saying it’s hilarious to act like the MOAC would honestly prepare them for Region 14. Tell me what’s the furthest an MOAC team in region 14 (region 12 in 2013-2015) has gone in the playoffs ever since the MOAC expanded? Second round. Lots of 1 & done though. Just like Highland since joining the KMAC. I’m sure Clear Fork will change that to third round this year, but so far second round is the furthest that grand MOAC football gets ya in region 14. So much for all that huh. How far has Galion gone in the playoffs since joining the MOAC? 1 & done...just like highland since joining the KMAC, how about that? Do everyone a favor and quit eating all the damn crayons.
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Post by A no.1 on Nov 5, 2018 13:49:18 GMT -5
If I was an AD, I would be trying very hard to schedule Highland for a non-conference game. If you can beat Highland, that's some easy second level points.
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Post by galion on Nov 5, 2018 15:22:21 GMT -5
Galion, MOAC does not equal quality football. Pleasant & Clear Fork equals quality football. Clear Fork is the only thing that makes the current MOAC anymore quality football then what the original MOAC was and Highland went to the playoffs 6 times while in that league and advanced twice. Had a 1 & done with Elgin. Had a 1 & done with Genoa which was very similar in terms of mistakes that last Saturday was, MOAC didn’t save them from those. Had a 1 & done with Fostoria lead by who would become a pro bowl defensive back, and a 1 & done with ironton which was very similar to their meeting with St Mary’s 2 years ago. Would a better quality schedule help? Yep absolutely. Would the MOAC help? Hell no we already know this. Apparently you missed this the first time, read carefully and slowly, and wipe the drool off your keyboard or phone once your done. Im not making claims defending Highlands schedule or the KMAC, I’m saying it’s hilarious to act like the MOAC would honestly prepare them for Region 14. Tell me what’s the furthest an MOAC team in region 14 (region 12 in 2013-2015) has gone in the playoffs ever since the MOAC expanded? Second round. Lots of 1 & done though. Just like Highland since joining the KMAC. I’m sure Clear Fork will change that to third round this year, but so far second round is the furthest that grand MOAC football gets ya in region 14. So much for all that huh. How far has Galion gone in the playoffs since joining the MOAC? 1 & done...just like highland since joining the KMAC, how about that? Do everyone a favor and quit eating all the damn crayons. Well that is an interesting argument. So you're saying that Highland wasn't prepared for the playoffs back when many of the small schools that they are playing now were still part of the MOAC. And I'm the one eating crayons? The KMAC won't prepare them for region 14 or any other D4 region(soon to be D3). But I'll tell you what the MOAC will do, it will at least get them a damn HOME playoff game when they go 9-1. So you don't think playing in a conference with larger schools and better football will help prepare them better for the playoffs? Of course you are the one who argued that Highland was only growing as a district because of all the special needs students they were bringing in. I didn't realize that so many special needs kids played soccer. Sounds like the special needs program at your high school must have failed you. Yes, Stanley, when you run up against a final 4 caliber you are probably going to lose to them regardless of what round that you face them in. Unfortunately, Clearview is not a final 4 caliber team. Had they played in the MOAC they would have at least been prepared to face them. Heck they might have even played them at home, assuming of course they were able to get past NU, BV, and Galion in that joke of a conference.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 5, 2018 16:17:33 GMT -5
Their early exit from the playoffs has nothing to do with being in the KMAC. They play a tough no League every year. Their best chance to advance in the playoffs would be to not be a DIV school. If they were back in the MOAC they lose to Clear Fork, Pleasant, still lose to Bloom Carrol. Possibly lose to BV or NU. Maybe still get in the playoffs at 7-3 and still lose in the first round.... Playing teams like Pleasant and Clear Fork will toughen them for the post season, BV and NU are GONE. Their "no league" couldn't be too tough with Ontario on it. Having two DVII and Four DVI schools in their league is a killer.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 5, 2018 16:28:41 GMT -5
Galion, MOAC does not equal quality football. Pleasant & Clear Fork equals quality football. Clear Fork is the only thing that makes the current MOAC anymore quality football then what the original MOAC was and Highland went to the playoffs 6 times while in that league and advanced twice. Had a 1 & done with Elgin. Had a 1 & done with Genoa which was very similar in terms of mistakes that last Saturday was, MOAC didn’t save them from those. Had a 1 & done with Fostoria lead by who would become a pro bowl defensive back, and a 1 & done with ironton which was very similar to their meeting with St Mary’s 2 years ago. Would a better quality schedule help? Yep absolutely. Would the MOAC help? Hell no we already know this. Apparently you missed this the first time, read carefully and slowly, and wipe the drool off your keyboard or phone once your done. Im not making claims defending Highlands schedule or the KMAC, I’m saying it’s hilarious to act like the MOAC would honestly prepare them for Region 14. Tell me what’s the furthest an MOAC team in region 14 (region 12 in 2013-2015) has gone in the playoffs ever since the MOAC expanded? Second round. Lots of 1 & done though. Just like Highland since joining the KMAC. I’m sure Clear Fork will change that to third round this year, but so far second round is the furthest that grand MOAC football gets ya in region 14. So much for all that huh. How far has Galion gone in the playoffs since joining the MOAC? 1 & done...just like highland since joining the KMAC, how about that? Do everyone a favor and quit eating all the damn crayons. The quality of football goes up with Shelby being a member next year. For that matter quality in all sports goes up.
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Post by galion on Nov 5, 2018 18:22:39 GMT -5
Galion, MOAC does not equal quality football. Pleasant & Clear Fork equals quality football. Clear Fork is the only thing that makes the current MOAC anymore quality football then what the original MOAC was and Highland went to the playoffs 6 times while in that league and advanced twice. Had a 1 & done with Elgin. Had a 1 & done with Genoa which was very similar in terms of mistakes that last Saturday was, MOAC didn’t save them from those. Had a 1 & done with Fostoria lead by who would become a pro bowl defensive back, and a 1 & done with ironton which was very similar to their meeting with St Mary’s 2 years ago. Would a better quality schedule help? Yep absolutely. Would the MOAC help? Hell no we already know this. Apparently you missed this the first time, read carefully and slowly, and wipe the drool off your keyboard or phone once your done. Im not making claims defending Highlands schedule or the KMAC, I’m saying it’s hilarious to act like the MOAC would honestly prepare them for Region 14. Tell me what’s the furthest an MOAC team in region 14 (region 12 in 2013-2015) has gone in the playoffs ever since the MOAC expanded? Second round. Lots of 1 & done though. Just like Highland since joining the KMAC. I’m sure Clear Fork will change that to third round this year, but so far second round is the furthest that grand MOAC football gets ya in region 14. So much for all that huh. How far has Galion gone in the playoffs since joining the MOAC? 1 & done...just like highland since joining the KMAC, how about that? Do everyone a favor and quit eating all the damn crayons. The quality of football goes up with Shelby being a member next year. For that matter quality in all sports goes up. I wouldn't say all sports. NU is pretty damn good at girls bball and softball.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 5, 2018 18:44:58 GMT -5
Seeing Ontario play NU last year and playing Shelby for many years, I would say that Shelby is at least the equal of NU in basketball. I can remember when Shelby's Jodie Roth was a star for Ohio State Women's basketball. I have no idea about Softball. Not bad if Shelby is an improvement in all sports except softball.
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Post by pirate80 on Nov 6, 2018 7:44:49 GMT -5
That is my point in all of this. As a non Highland fan...I can not sit here and say that in the MOAC Highland only loses to pleasant and clearfork. I think NU and BV would have gave them all they could handle. Next year Shelby probably be beats Highland too. So maybe Highland goes 7-3 and sneaks in as a member of MOAC....they still are one and done. Makes more financial sense to play your rivalry games and league titles if you're gonna be one and done anyway. Just my opinion. From a guy who is so sick of losing to Coach Carpenter and the Scots. If they want out of the KMAC their best bet would be to try to put a league together with MV, Big Walnut, BV I think.
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Post by richrod on Nov 29, 2018 21:37:09 GMT -5
When is Highland going to realize that they will not be prepared for football playoffs or contend for home playoff games going 9-1 is a league they should win every year based on numbers alone. However, it seems from what you all say on here, they are ecstatic to be the big fish in a little pond.
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