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Post by Birdman on Nov 17, 2018 23:50:00 GMT -5
Well let it begin.
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Post by Birdman on Nov 18, 2018 0:47:27 GMT -5
No offense....
Torch, Willard, can we be cordial??
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 18, 2018 6:36:57 GMT -5
This was perhaps, the most entertaining game of the year IMO. I came away angry and frustrated at all the stupid mistakes and lack of execution the first half. As much as we have given criticism toward the coaching staff this year, we have to credit the staff for the remarkable turnaround in performance 2nd half. As I have been screaming all season, this offense completely changes it's nature when we go into a hurry up mode. It worked so well the first couple games of the year and then we went back to a carefully regimented manner of operation. When this team operates in a hurry up mode, it suddenly adds tempo, urgency and a heightened level of play from everyone. Everything suddenly clicks and the opposing defense is near panic to make sideline exchanges and get players in position for the down situation. The 2nd half displayed the fact, this assembly of personnel can be a very good football team.
Dwayne Haskins surprised me with the new determination, when tucking and running the ball. I didn't think he had it in him, but he proved otherwise. Having a QB that is not afraid to run and run hard, opens up so many things for this offense and gives the defense more equations to sort out.
Defensively, this can be a really good football team, despite the points allowed. Second half, they started getting penetration and pressuring the QB, something we have seen little of this year, after the departure of Bosa. This team has been slow to develop and mature, much to the frustration of Urban Meyer and his staff, but I think perhaps we are seeing a lot of good signs this team may be coming together on both sides of the ball.
I truly believe this team is capable of putting it all together next Saturday, in a coming out fashion. I think our second half performance may have set the tone.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 18, 2018 7:14:37 GMT -5
The one aspect that "may" play a factor this week is that UM defense is now banged up from a health standpoint. Winovich, unless I've not seen otherwise is probably out,,,and another D-lineman left the game. Indiana ran the ball on UM and I'd like to think that OSU has a better back in JK Dobbins and a better QB in Haskins than what Indiana had. So from an offensive standpoint, I feel like we can move the ball,,, when a few weeks ago that was in doubt. We'll need to score TD's in the red zone to win this game plain and simple.Indiana defense stopped UM in the Red Zone and made them kick FG's. That to me might be the blueprint for winning the game, because their offense is going to move the ball. It seems like we have so many things wrong on defense that it also might take a couple defensive turnovers to pull off the win.
I have not seen the point spread, but for the 1st time in a long time we will not be favored. It seems like the favored team rarely plays that well in this game, so maybe that will work to our advantage.
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Post by fbfan on Nov 18, 2018 7:47:59 GMT -5
I hope you guys are right. But I wonder how different the conversation would be today if Maryland made the conversion. It was a perfect call, the pick worked, the QB just missed a short throw. OSU did nothing to stop that play, just like all year.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 18, 2018 8:57:24 GMT -5
agree,it was wide open. Came down to execution. In watching the replay it was not defended well,,like so many other plays and hopefully some film study will correct the errors. Same can be said for the 4th down conversion that OSU did execute on their opportunity in OT. Haskins made the nice soft throw,,and the TE just had to catch it.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 18, 2018 9:13:47 GMT -5
#20 blew that coverage. When I saw Maryland line up 3 wide and #20 run over there to cover the slot I said, welp we lost. #20 is going to get toasted. The CB switched but #20 said "I don't switch I just chase well behind WR's" leaving the guy he should have switched to wide open.
I don't think #20 would start on a single other Big Ten team. Opposing teams attack him constantly because they know he's a poor LB.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 18, 2018 12:26:34 GMT -5
I agree on that part too. I've been trying to figure out all season why he's in there. Dude hardly ever makes a play. At least Borland from time to time will get a tackle for loss, problem is he's on a bum leg still from the achilles injury.
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Post by maplecityjake on Nov 18, 2018 12:36:34 GMT -5
Bucks will step up, and UM/Harbaugh will soil their khakis in crunch time. I hate saying this, but......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 12:46:26 GMT -5
Michigan offense is very basic. Right now their best play is the read option with a average running qb. They don’t attack you sideline-to-sideline like Purdue and Maryland do. I think the game comes down to if Ohio State’s O-Line can do anything against Michigan’s front 7, which I have my doubts. May be one of those games that comes down to field position and turnovers
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 12:55:28 GMT -5
actionnet.com has TTUN 3.5 point favorites
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Post by Birdman on Nov 18, 2018 16:17:14 GMT -5
Like many of you have said it will come down to a multitude of things that need to go the buckeyes way. The good thing is, if they come to play and execute they will win.
This is the one year I believe it most likely the year they get us, but with that being said I’m hoping the buckeyes can turn it all on Saturday.
BOLD prediction
Bucks- 31 TTUN- 28
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 18, 2018 16:51:38 GMT -5
Good to see the offense including the TE in the scheme of things against Maryland. I think this could be a key advantage that could work in our favor. Our TE's are most always relegated to blocking, the short passing game could be very effective, especially against an aggressive front.
You really have to come away with some positive nods for some amazing deep passes that were on the dime and some amazing catches by the Terrapins, vs. some tight coverages.
It was good to see Haskins finally unloading deep. The offense has gotten away from this aspect of Haskins strengths and could be huge vs. mighagen.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Nov 18, 2018 23:42:43 GMT -5
Ohio State’s offensive line vs. Michigan’s defensive line
This singular battle imo will decide this game. It’s no secret that OSU’s offensive line struggles. I expect Urban to try and use tempo and quick throws to counter that. I expect Don Brown to counter with aggression. A couple more points.
1. Isaiah Prince has been a turnstile against speed rushers most of his career. Michigan has Josh Uche who has 7 sacks in limited snaps as a pass rushing specialist. Reminds me a bit of Tim Williams from Alabama a few years ago. He’s shot out of a cannon when the balls snapped.
2. Michigan has developed a speed rush package of Winovich, Dwumfour, Paye and Uche. It’s been effective but not as effective as I’d hope. I have no idea why Gary doesn’t move inside on these packages.
3. Winovich and Solomon are expected to play as of tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 5:42:11 GMT -5
Fox 8 News (Wayne Dawson) is reporting this morning, TTUN is a 3.5 favorite.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 19, 2018 6:33:13 GMT -5
#20 blew that coverage. When I saw Maryland line up 3 wide and #20 run over there to cover the slot I said, welp we lost. #20 is going to get toasted. The CB switched but #20 said "I don't switch I just chase well behind WR's" leaving the guy he should have switched to wide open. I don't think #20 would start on a single other Big Ten team. Opposing teams attack him constantly because they know he's a poor LB. #20 is sophomore LB Pete Werner Anytime a LB covers a slot man or WR they lose.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 19, 2018 8:25:11 GMT -5
Opposing teams have been picking on him all season. Watch a game opposing teams seek out #20 because he's a mid-major level LB. Dude won't sniff the NFL.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 19, 2018 10:28:53 GMT -5
Opposing teams have been picking on him all season. Watch a game opposing teams seek out #20 because he's a mid-major level LB. Dude won't sniff the NFL. Actually, Urban has been high on sophomore LB Pete Werner. A 4* prospect and rated a top 20 LB nationally and rated as the No. 1 outside linebacker in the Midwest by Scout and a PrepStar all-Midwest region. Despite his 6-3 240 stature, he has wheels as I have been told. He's gaining experience by baptism. Patience on this kid, Urban thinks he is going to develop into a special player for the Buckeyes.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 19, 2018 12:15:10 GMT -5
Maybe next year he will turn the corner then. He's played like a below avg LB this year.
Jim Harbaugh just said in his presser that he doesn't know if Winovich will play or not. He said the X-ray was negative but doesn't know if he'll play. day-to-day
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Post by redskinfan04 on Nov 19, 2018 12:41:07 GMT -5
Maybe next year he will turn the corner then. He's played like a below avg LB this year. Jim Harbaugh just said in his presser that he doesn't know if Winovich will play or not. He said the X-ray was negative but doesn't know if he'll play. day-to-day Harbaugh is giving up no information of any type of value about anything this week. I’m surprised he didn’t just sit there and talk about Jake Moody for 20 minutes to be honest.
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Post by sportsvideo on Nov 19, 2018 14:39:42 GMT -5
Maybe next year he will turn the corner then. He's played like a below avg LB this year. Jim Harbaugh just said in his presser that he doesn't know if Winovich will play or not. He said the X-ray was negative but doesn't know if he'll play. day-to-day he will play then have a month + to get ready to bowl ... osu I bet preparing that he is on the field
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Post by sportsvideo on Nov 19, 2018 14:43:05 GMT -5
if this game was in Michigan...I'd be afraid...since its not.. I think that really helps OSU... neither team looked "top 4" on Saturday... in fact, I don't think unless a few teams drop that OSU gets top 4 even with wins vs mich. and big ten champ... northwestern doesn't open anyones eyes...
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Post by utsherman on Nov 19, 2018 16:57:24 GMT -5
I see Karan Higdon has weighed in. He guaranteed the win. Also, this whole Winovich play is gamesmanship, in my opinion. The only thing you might get from Harbaugh this week is a midnight nut-cracking session in the local cemetery.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Nov 19, 2018 17:19:05 GMT -5
I see Karan Higdon has weighed in. He guaranteed the win. Also, this whole Winovich play is gamesmanship, in my opinion. The only thing you might get from Harbaugh this week is a midnight nut-cracking session in the local cemetery. Reporter- Are you going to make a garuntee like Coach Harbaugh Higdon- “Yeah, I do. That’s how I feel. I believe firmly in my brothers and this team and this coaching staff, and as a captain, I’ll take that stand. Why not?”. Far from the arrogant assertion Harbaugh made. It’s the content starved sports media though so it’ll become a huge deal.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 19, 2018 23:44:37 GMT -5
Michigan offense is very basic. Right now their best play is the read option with a average running qb. They don’t attack you sideline-to-sideline like Purdue and Maryland do. I think the game comes down to if Ohio State’s O-Line can do anything against Michigan’s front 7, which I have my doubts. May be one of those games that comes down to field position and turnovers I want everyone to watch how the run first U of M O-line lines up and fires off the ball. Compared to how the OSU pass first O-line lines up and plays patty cake on run plays.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 19, 2018 23:48:08 GMT -5
if this game was in Michigan...I'd be afraid...since its not.. I think that really helps OSU... neither team looked "top 4" on Saturday... in fact, I don't think unless a few teams drop that OSU gets top 4 even with wins vs mich. and big ten champ... northwestern doesn't open anyones eyes... Even if Ohio State wins out, the committee will and should favor several 2nd place teams in Top Five conferences over Ohio State. Besides, I do not want to see Ohio State in the Final Four. The loss would be more embarrassing than the Clemson loss.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 20, 2018 0:11:35 GMT -5
Good to see the offense including the TE in the scheme of things against Maryland. I think this could be a key advantage that could work in our favor. Our TE's are most always relegated to blocking, the short passing game could be very effective, especially against an aggressive front. You really have to come away with some positive nods for some amazing deep passes that were on the dime and some amazing catches by the Terrapins, vs. some tight coverages. It was good to see Haskins finally unloading deep. The offense has gotten away from this aspect of Haskins strengths and could be huge vs. mighagen. Ohio State's "Big Game", "Big Arm" is going to have to play like it for OSU to have a shot.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 20, 2018 6:53:58 GMT -5
if this game was in Michigan...I'd be afraid...since its not.. I think that really helps OSU... neither team looked "top 4" on Saturday... in fact, I don't think unless a few teams drop that OSU gets top 4 even with wins vs mich. and big ten champ... northwestern doesn't open anyones eyes... Even if Ohio State wins out, the committee will and should favor several 2nd place teams in Top Five conferences over Ohio State. Besides, I do not want to see Ohio State in the Final Four. The loss would be more embarrassing than the Clemson loss. I agree with this sentiment. Ohio State is entering it's final week of the season, yet to establish an identity, still lacking team leaders, still posing more questions than answers at a number of key positions and unlike any Buckeye team in recent memory, lacking the swagger and confidence we are accustomed to seeing at this point in time. Even if we pull off a win this Saturday and nail Northwestern in the B1G Championship game, this team is lacking the qualities necessary to represent the school or the conference in a positive manner in the playoffs. Another Clemson style drubbing is not in the best interest of the program, moving forward.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 20, 2018 7:15:12 GMT -5
Regarding our O-line. JT could make an O-line look better than they were because he could run or pass in most games. There's a trade off with DH. Because for the first 10 games he refused to run to the point that the DL and LB's could disregard him on the read option. Against MD he did do a better job keeping the ball a few times and actually had one pretty decent scramble of about 15 yards called back by a suspect holding call. Either he or TM will need to keep the ball a few times to keep the UM defense guessing.
I agree with Fillmore, DH needs to be on target on Saturday. If we get a shot for a big pass play, it needs to be on target and caught. I do think at least based on last years performance, that DH has it in him to do this. I mean if he can do it off the bench, and behind late in the 3rd quarter in Ann Arbor,,no reason to think he can't do it in Columbus. And you wanna talk about motivation to do well? The kid is 90% declaring for the NFL draft early,,another great performance against a Top defense like UM and DH probably goes up a round in the draft. I would expect a very dialed in focused and motivated DH this Saturday. He's got plenty of skill guys to utilize, and a couple RB's that are very capable. I kinda wonder if perhaps UM hasn't played against skill players like this all season. I think the Indiana game may have shown that they can be run on,,and if you have a QB like DH,,should be able to be passed on. The major question mark is can our Oline man up and play better than they have all year. Signs of life were there against NEB MSU and MD. I hope they are up to it.
Regarding our Defense, I'm worried about that side of the ball. We took a step forward against MSU and then 3 steps back against MD. Chase Young needs to be more Bosa like in his pass rush. And then our D Cood needs to put our guys in position to succeed. I don't think he did that vs MD. Too many times we had nobody in position to even make a tackle, let alone miss a tackle. UM uses their TE and that's where we need Werner to be a factor in covering him,,or bring in a 6th DB on passing downs. Not having that one beast of a LB who is a gap stopper has shown all season. I hope Borland is up to the task on Saturday,,Baron Browning is healthy now so I'd expect to see some of him as well. Lastly, we need to make them kick FG's like Indiana did. Their kicker doesn't miss many, and I hope the announcer mentions it each time he has an attempt because that's always good for a miss usually--lol.
Should be a good game and it will likely come down to turnover margin and which QB plays better.
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Post by fbfan on Nov 20, 2018 7:58:59 GMT -5
Michigan offense is very basic. Right now their best play is the read option with a average running qb. They don’t attack you sideline-to-sideline like Purdue and Maryland do. I think the game comes down to if Ohio State’s O-Line can do anything against Michigan’s front 7, which I have my doubts. May be one of those games that comes down to field position and turnovers I want everyone to watch how the run first U of M O-line lines up and fires off the ball. Compared to how the OSU pass first O-line lines up and plays patty cake on run plays. I noticed this also and agree with you 100%. The responsibility rests with the coaching. Perhaps earlier in the season against some of the "patty cake" opponents they should have seen this and run Dobbins 37 times in those games instead of building Haskin's Heisman stats.
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