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Post by Birdman on Nov 27, 2018 21:31:09 GMT -5
Do the bucks make it?
Beyond what we know and need to happen, any chance they jump Oklahoma if they win out?
What if Georgia does win, will there be 2 SEC teams in it again?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 22:32:04 GMT -5
If Oklahoma wins they are in. They will have avenged their one defeat plus the committee put them ahead of OSU this week. This is assuming Alabama beats Georgia. The real question would be what they do with Bama if hey lose Saturday
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Post by maplecityjake on Nov 27, 2018 22:37:49 GMT -5
I think Bama is in regardless assuming UGA doesn't hammer them. I think OU avenges prior loss to Hook 'Em Horns, so my vote is no.
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Post by Birdman on Nov 27, 2018 23:15:19 GMT -5
Scenario #1- Alabama wins, Oklahoma loses. Buckeyes win their in. Scenario #2- Alabama loses, Oklahoma win, Buckeyes out Alabama in Oklahoma out.
While I can appreciate Alabama’s record and what they have done, I feel there is some form of implied involvement for them when it comes to the college playoffs.
Buckeyes have nothing but style points to make if they beat Northwestern and of they do, it better be 62-21. As always that one loss we took always is the Achilles heel.
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Post by dude on Nov 27, 2018 23:32:55 GMT -5
Of course for the Buckeyes to be in, they must win impressively.
But in IMO they need any of these 3 Need a solid Bama win Solid Clemson win If Cal and-or Marshall win, who would be Notre Dames big win? Texas win
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Post by Birdman on Nov 28, 2018 0:38:15 GMT -5
In regard to Notre Dame when you looked at the preseason schedule for them, a lot of people believed it to be a tough gauntlet of teams.
No FBS schools, 10 power-5 games.
VT, FSU (I know I know), TTUN, Stanford, USC...
Pitt, Syracuse, NW...
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Post by dude on Nov 28, 2018 7:48:30 GMT -5
But we all know that pre season does not mean squat in week 14
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Post by fbfan on Nov 28, 2018 7:52:20 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm seeing the Buckeyes through Rose colored glasses no matter what happens between Alabama v. Georgia / Oklahoma v. Texas.
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Post by dude on Nov 28, 2018 7:58:22 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm seeing the Buckeyes through Rose colored glasses no matter what happens between Alabama v. Georgia / Oklahoma v. Texas. I would not totally disagree with you but I think It will take a major shake up to happen. If Georgia beats Alabama the Buckeyes would have to take the Notre Dame spot. ND Nation would lose their minds. And if Oklahoma wins, the Sooner Nation will expect a bid as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 8:29:42 GMT -5
This 4 team invitational is like trying to put a square peg in a circle hole. 5 conferences plus ND. Anyone think that at least one season the Irish wouldn’t have a good season? This is likely the 3rd straight season that the B1G champion is not invited. Think about that for a second. How long will the B1G AD’s just sit by and not do something?
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Post by fbfan on Nov 28, 2018 8:50:28 GMT -5
"This 4 team invitational". I like it. No way is this a legit PLAYoff if all the champions of the power 5 conferences are not in it. If Georgia beats Bama, and Oklahoma would lose I think there is a chance that the committee puts 2 SEC (UGA, UA), 1 ACC (Clem), and ND in.........3 power 5's left out.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2018 8:58:25 GMT -5
i just can't see it happening unless OKL loses
ND should eat a weenie for not having to play a conference championship game.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 28, 2018 9:21:50 GMT -5
i just can't see it happening unless OKL loses ND should eat a weenie for not having to play a conference championship game. How do you win a conference championship, if you are not in a conference? Kinda like penalizing workers for not being a union member. I know it's entirely up to the committee, but you go undefeated with their schedule, hard to argue against it. The Oklahoma argument is much more clear though. Ohio State has wins over higher rated teams. The Purdue debacle is basically an anomoly. If they were to play the same team again, no doubt you are looking at a blowout win for the Buckeyes. I think the committee has taken the Purdue loss into account, but the lone loss in mid-season has less bearing on their final selection than determining who the 4 best teams are at this particular point in time, this particular point in the season. THE FOUR BEST TEAMS......right now.
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Post by Birdman on Nov 28, 2018 9:38:02 GMT -5
ND schedule
TTUN 10-2 2nd BIG10 east Ball State (hot garbage) Vanderbilt (hot garbage) Wake Forest (hot garbage) Stanford (ranked 7th at time of game only losses to Wash, Utah, ND, and WAU) VT (ranked 24th at time of game) Pitt (ACC Costal Champ Navy Northwestern (Big10 West Champ) FSU (never know about these guys) Syracuse (2nd ACC Atlantic) USC
I don’t honestly think you leave out ND, they earned it fair and square.
The fact they don’t play in a conference sucks, they should but we can’t talk about that as why they don’t deserve to get in. If they were in the ACC, it would be a great show down with Clemson no doubt.
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Post by dude on Nov 28, 2018 9:50:21 GMT -5
ND schedule TTUN 10-2 2nd BIG10 east Ball State (hot garbage) Vanderbilt (hot garbage) Wake Forest (hot garbage) Stanford (ranked 7th at time of game only losses to Wash, Utah, ND, and WAU) VT (ranked 24th at time of game) Pitt (ACC Costal Champ Navy Northwestern (Big10 West Champ) FSU (never know about these guys) Syracuse (2nd ACC Atlantic) USC I don’t honestly think you leave out ND, they earned it fair and square. The fact they don’t play in a conference sucks, they should but we can’t talk about that as why they don’t deserve to get in. If they were in the ACC, it would be a great show down with Clemson no doubt. Like someone said above in defending the OSU loss, it's about right now. So in looking at ND you have to say where is Stanford now, VT now and FSU now. How big is the ACC Coastal Champ if they are unranked? Does anyone give the Big10 West Champ a chance?
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 28, 2018 11:12:04 GMT -5
The total SOS is listed below and the present rankings of the six teams vying for a playoff slot is: #33 Georgia #35 Alabama #49 Ohio State #61 Notre Dame #71 Oklahoma #79 Clemson
2018 Résumé S&P+ and strength of schedule rankings Team Rec S&P+ Rk SOS Rk Resume S&P+ Rk Alabama 12-0 30.4 1 86.7% 35 11.7 1 Clemson 12-0 27.7 2 90.9% 79 4.7 2 Georgia 11-1 27.1 3 86.7% 33 0.7 3 Michigan 10-2 21.2 5 85.6% 27 -2.4 4 Mississippi State 8-4 15.6 12 83.6% 11 -4.6 5 Central Florida 11-0 20.0 7 92.0% 95 -5.5 6 Missouri 8-4 14.5 16 81.0% 6 -6.3 7 Oklahoma 11-1 22.9 4 90.1% 71 -6.4 8 Ohio State 11-1 19.6 8 88.1% 49 -6.5 9 West Virginia 8-3 12.6 21 88.3% 51 -7.8 10 Notre Dame 12-0 20.5 6 89.4% 61 -7.9 11 Fresno State 10-2 16.6 10 93.6% 113 -7.9 12 Penn State 9-3 16.0 11 85.1% 20 -8.0 13 Florida 9-3 15.1 13 84.8% 18 -8.7 14 LSU 9-3 14.9 15 79.2% 1 -8.9 15 Washington State 10-2 10.8 25 89.1% 60 -9.8 16 Utah State 10-2 12.3 22 95.0% 128 -10.2 17 Texas A&M 8-4 12.6 20 79.8% 4 -10.7 18 Utah 9-3 15.0 14 88.5% 53 -10.7 19 Iowa 8-4 10.7 26 89.8% 67 -10.8 20 Cincinnati 10-2 9.0 31 91.9% 92 -11.1 21 Boise State 10-2 9.9 29 89.6% 64 -11.5 22 Appalachian State 9-2 14.3 17 93.6% 112 -11.7 23 Auburn 7-5 12.9 18 79.6% 3 -11.8 24 Kentucky 9-3 6.5 41 83.9% 14 -12.1 25 Washington 9-3 16.9 9 88.5% 54 -12.4 26 Syracuse 9-3 5.9 44 88.1% 47 -14.3 27 South Carolina 6-5 7.4 36 80.2% 5 -15.6 28 Miami-FL 7-5 11.9 23 91.6% 88 -15.7 29 Stanford 7-4 10.5 27 84.8% 17 -16.1 30 Texas 9-3 7.4 35 87.4% 40 -16.1 31 Purdue 6-6 6.6 38 86.4% 32 -16.2 32 NC State 8-3 7.7 33 89.1% 59 -16.6 33 Temple 8-4 8.1 32 91.1% 82 -17.3 34 Oregon 8-4 5.2 48 89.5% 63 -17.6 35 Vanderbilt 6-6 1.3 66 83.1% 9 -17.8 36 Iowa State 7-4 5.3 47 86.3% 30 -17.9 37 Georgia Tech 7-5 0.4 72 85.3% 23 -18.0 38 Arizona State 7-5 3.4 53 87.9% 42 -18.1 39 Memphis 8-4 12.9 19 92.4% 97 -18.1 40 Boston College 7-5 0.8 70 87.4% 39 -18.4 41 Oklahoma State 6-6 10.3 28 88.0% 44 -18.5 42 Army 9-2 -1.8 83 91.9% 93 -18.6 43 Ohio 8-4 5.6 46 94.7% 127 -18.9 44 Houston 8-4 6.2 42 93.4% 108 -19.0 45 Texas Tech 5-7 6.0 43 87.4% 41 -19.7 46 Wisconsin 7-5 11.3 24 88.3% 50 -19.8 47 Michigan State 7-5 7.6 34 85.1% 21 -20.1 48 Northwestern 8-4 -0.6 78 85.5% 24 -20.2 49 Pittsburgh 7-5 2.5 63 85.0% 19 -20.7 50 Virginia 7-5 5.9 45 92.6% 103 -21.1 51 North Texas 9-3 9.6 30 96.5% 130 -21.2 52 BYU 6-6 3.1 56 88.1% 46 -21.2 53 UAB 9-3 3.2 55 94.4% 121 -21.3 54 Toledo 7-5 4.6 51 92.5% 102 -21.5 55 Minnesota 6-6 2.9 59 86.9% 36 -22.0 56 Maryland 5-7 0.6 71 84.6% 16 -22.2 57 Buffalo 10-2 5.2 49 94.6% 126 -22.3 58 Georgia Southern 9-3 2.7 61 90.8% 78 -22.3 59 TCU 6-6 2.9 60 85.5% 25 -22.4 60 Nebraska 4-8 3.1 57 85.3% 22 -23.2 61 Ole Miss 5-7 1.2 68 83.2% 10 -23.5 62 Florida International 8-4 -1.8 85 94.5% 124 -23.5 63 Air Force 5-7 -2.8 89 92.6% 104 -23.6 64 Marshall 8-3 7.0 37 94.5% 125 -23.6 65 Middle Tennessee 8-4 2.9 58 90.2% 72 -23.7 66 Troy 9-3 5.1 50 93.8% 115 -24.0 67 USC 5-7 6.5 40 87.2% 38 -24.0 68 California 7-4 2.4 64 90.5% 74 -24.1 69 Indiana 5-7 -1.6 82 84.4% 15 -24.5 70 Colorado 5-7 -2.4 88 88.9% 58 -24.8 71 Duke 7-5 1.3 67 88.6% 56 -25.0 72 Kansas State 5-7 -4.1 92 85.9% 28 -25.4 73 Tennessee 5-7 -2.1 87 79.4% 2 -25.8 74 Arizona 5-7 0.3 74 89.8% 68 -26.1 75 Arkansas State 8-4 4.2 52 90.8% 76 -26.2 76 Wake Forest 6-6 -0.2 77 87.1% 37 -26.5 77 Eastern Michigan 7-5 2.0 65 94.3% 120 -26.5 78 UCLA 3-9 -3.5 91 81.7% 8 -26.5 79 Nevada 7-5 -0.6 79 92.5% 100 -26.8 80 Southern Miss 6-5 0.3 75 93.4% 109 -26.8 81 Florida Atlantic 5-7 3.4 54 88.4% 52 -27.0 82 Miami-OH 6-6 2.6 62 93.2% 107 -27.2 83 San Diego State 7-5 6.6 39 91.5% 86 -27.8 84 Tulane 6-6 -3.2 90 89.8% 69 -28.0 85 Northern Illinois 7-5 0.3 73 91.2% 83 -28.0 86 Baylor 6-6 -1.9 86 87.9% 43 -28.1 87 Virginia Tech 5-6 -1.5 81 89.6% 66 -28.3 88 Wyoming 6-6 -0.1 76 89.4% 62 -28.7 89 UL-Lafayette 7-5 -1.5 80 88.1% 48 -28.8 90 SMU 5-7 -4.4 94 86.4% 31 -29.8 91 Florida State 5-7 -1.8 84 83.6% 12 -29.9 92 Louisiana Tech 7-5 -4.6 95 91.6% 87 -30.9 93 Kansas 3-9 -12.9 108 88.0% 45 -31.0 94 Western Michigan 7-5 -6.5 97 91.5% 85 -31.9 95 South Florida 7-5 1.1 69 91.6% 89 -32.0 96 North Carolina 2-9 -4.8 96 90.8% 77 -32.2 97 Navy 3-9 -9.8 102 86.7% 34 -32.5 98 Tulsa 3-9 -9.7 101 91.8% 91 -33.2 99 Arkansas 2-10 -4.3 93 81.6% 7 -33.3 100 Charlotte 5-7 -13.9 112 92.5% 101 -33.3 101 Hawaii 8-5 -9.3 100 92.5% 99 -34.0 102 UL-Monroe 6-6 -7.2 98 93.5% 111 -35.8 103 Coastal Carolina 5-7 -14.2 114 92.4% 98 -35.9 104 East Carolina 3-8 -11.0 104 88.8% 57 -36.8 105 Ball State 4-8 -15.9 118 91.9% 94 -37.6 106 UNLV 4-8 -13.3 110 91.3% 84 -37.9 107 Akron 4-7 -15.5 116 93.8% 116 -37.9 108 New Mexico 3-9 -12.0 105 90.2% 73 -38.1 109 Illinois 4-8 -10.6 103 89.6% 65 -38.4 110 Western Kentucky 3-9 -12.2 107 94.3% 118 -38.6 111 Liberty 5-6 -16.4 119 93.1% 106 -38.7 112 Old Dominion 4-8 -9.2 99 94.5% 123 -38.7 113 Rutgers 1-11 -15.6 117 85.5% 26 -40.1 114 Georgia State 2-10 -17.8 122 91.0% 80 -40.3 115 Massachusetts 4-8 -14.0 113 91.1% 81 -40.3 116 Oregon State 2-10 -18.2 123 86.1% 29 -40.7 117 San Jose State 1-11 -18.5 125 90.1% 70 -41.4 118 Texas State 3-9 -12.1 106 94.3% 119 -41.5 119 Colorado State 3-9 -13.3 111 91.7% 90 -41.5 120 South Alabama 3-9 -15.1 115 90.6% 75 -41.6 121 Kent State 2-10 -17.6 121 92.3% 96 -42.7 122 Central Michigan 1-11 -17.4 120 93.9% 117 -43.2 123 Bowling Green 3-9 -19.7 127 93.8% 114 -46.1 124 Louisville 2-10 -13.0 109 83.7% 13 -46.1 125 UTSA 3-9 -19.0 126 93.5% 110 -46.6 126 Rice 2-11 -22.2 129 92.8% 105 -47.2 127 UTEP 1-11 -21.6 128 95.1% 129 -48.0 128 New Mexico State 3-9 -18.5 124 94.5% 122 -48.9 129 Connecticut 1-11 -25.9 130 88.5% 55 -53.8 130
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Post by fbfan on Nov 28, 2018 11:39:31 GMT -5
i just can't see it happening unless OKL loses ND should eat a weenie for not having to play a conference championship game. How do you win a conference championship, if you are not in a conference? Kinda like penalizing workers for not being a union member. I know it's entirely up to the committee, but you go undefeated with their schedule, hard to argue against it. The Oklahoma argument is much more clear though. Ohio State has wins over higher rated teams. The Purdue debacle is basically an anomoly. If they were to play the same team again, no doubt you are looking at a blowout win for the Buckeyes.I think the committee has taken the Purdue loss into account, but the lone loss in mid-season has less bearing on their final selection than determining who the 4 best teams are at this particular point in time, this particular point in the season. THE FOUR BEST TEAMS......right now. I'm sure Oklahoma feels the same way about Texas. The difference is they have the chance to prove it. If OK wins, OSU is out.
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Post by Birdman on Nov 28, 2018 11:50:01 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s fair to take the schedule now and judge it. You have to look at it week by week where the opponent was when (insert team) played them. It’s easy to say the schedule is trash now, but at the time when they played to me is more important. I think you take it into account where the teams ended up, but you can’t solely say well Stanford was 7 when they played, now they suck so they’re a cupcake game... heck look at their losses.
One thing I can say about the Perdue loss, they gave OSU everything and more they had to give that night. There are nights where teams like that play at an elite level.
The only team that hasn’t had a close game 10 or less in my book is Alabama.
I am still in disbelief of the garbage ACC game that will be going on.
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Post by dude on Nov 28, 2018 12:08:18 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s fair to take the schedule now and judge it. You have to look at it week by week where the opponent was when (insert team) played them. It’s easy to say the schedule is trash now, but at the time when they played to me is more important. I think you take it into account where the teams ended up, but you can’t solely say well Stanford was 7 when they played, now they suck so they’re a cupcake game... heck look at their losses. One thing I can say about the Perdue loss, they gave OSU everything and more they had to give that night. There are nights where teams like that play at an elite level. The only team that hasn’t had a close game 10 or less in my book is Alabama. I am still in disbelief of the garbage ACC game that will be going on. Take off the glasses for a second and put down your chicken nuggets. Can some UM fans be saying the same thing about their last game? OSU had not played that way all season. Was that game an anomaly also if everyone can have them?
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2018 13:50:58 GMT -5
i just can't see it happening unless OKL loses ND should eat a weenie for not having to play a conference championship game. How do you win a conference championship, if you are not in a conference? Kinda like penalizing workers for not being a union member. I know it's entirely up to the committee, but you go undefeated with their schedule, hard to argue against it. The Oklahoma argument is much more clear though. Ohio State has wins over higher rated teams. The Purdue debacle is basically an anomoly. If they were to play the same team again, no doubt you are looking at a blowout win for the Buckeyes. I think the committee has taken the Purdue loss into account, but the lone loss in mid-season has less bearing on their final selection than determining who the 4 best teams are at this particular point in time, this particular point in the season. THE FOUR BEST TEAMS......right now. Cool. Undefeated. So u r arguing for UCF over OSU and OKL? It is 2018 not 1993. You tell ND ty but no ty and make them join a conference. It is that simple.
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Post by Birdman on Nov 28, 2018 14:59:28 GMT -5
Dude,
I’m sure TTUN fan could have the same argument but they lost at the wrong time of the year.
I wouldn’t call it an anomaly it happens often in college football a hot can of soup team beats a much better team. My hats off to Purdue they played 4 quarters buckeyes plate 1 quarter that night.
Buckeyes have won convincingly all year except at the time #9 PSU, Perdue (loss), Nebraska, and Maryland.
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Post by dude on Nov 28, 2018 15:17:29 GMT -5
Dude, I’m sure TTUN fan could have the same argument but they lost at the wrong time of the year. I wouldn’t call it an anomaly it happens often in college football a hot can of soup team beats a much better team. My hats off to Purdue they played 4 quarters buckeyes plate 1 quarter that night. Buckeyes have won convincingly all year except at the time #9 PSU, Perdue (loss), Nebraska, and Maryland. So your saying they won convincingly when they played "soup cans" or in the anomaly game. I'm a Buckeye fan but if we take out the blowout loss, let's take out the blowout win and the rest of the season has been below expectations.
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Post by Birdman on Nov 28, 2018 16:19:50 GMT -5
So when I spoke about the Purdue game. I don't think I explained that analogy very well. TTUN couldn't argue the same happened to them with the buckeyes because Purdue was and still is a middle of the low road team. It primarily a underdog getting the best of that ranked team scenario. Like I said before they played perfect and that is what they had to do to win. No one expected Purdue to win, but they did. TTUN and Ohio St., Buckeye were the underdog by a small margin and ended up well we know that story. That game last Saturday was anything but anomaly.
Oregon St, Rutgers, TCU, Tulane, Indiana, Minnesota, MSU, TTUN all convincing wins. PSU, Purdue, Maryland, Nebraska.
I guess you could say below expectation, but their offense has been impressive beyond a few ups and downs. Haskins Broke Dree Breezey's record this year, leads the nation in TD's 2nd in yards, two RB almost at 1,000. The defense has been the under achieving.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 28, 2018 17:42:45 GMT -5
How do you win a conference championship, if you are not in a conference? Kinda like penalizing workers for not being a union member. I know it's entirely up to the committee, but you go undefeated with their schedule, hard to argue against it. The Oklahoma argument is much more clear though. Ohio State has wins over higher rated teams. The Purdue debacle is basically an anomoly. If they were to play the same team again, no doubt you are looking at a blowout win for the Buckeyes. I think the committee has taken the Purdue loss into account, but the lone loss in mid-season has less bearing on their final selection than determining who the 4 best teams are at this particular point in time, this particular point in the season. THE FOUR BEST TEAMS......right now. Cool. Undefeated. So u r arguing for UCF over OSU and OKL? It is 2018 not 1993. You tell ND ty but no ty and make them join a conference. It is that simple. I'm not arguing for ND, one way or the other. You call up the ND President and get the administrative board together with the athletic director and tell them to come out of the dark ages of the 90's and tell them they must join a conference. Better yet, call up NCAA President Mark Emmert and on your proposed mandate that all schools must be affiliated with a conference. Good luck with that. I've been harping the Big Ten is a perfect fit for ND. They would be in the Western Division, balances out the conference and an easy get for them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 19:01:42 GMT -5
I prefer and am okay with going to the Rose Bowl, Just so TTUN doesn't get to go, Instead of us getting embarrassed by Clemson or Alabama. I'd vote our beloved Buckeyes out, Cause we still lost to Purdue, Badly.
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Post by maplecityjake on Nov 28, 2018 19:06:07 GMT -5
Beloved Buckeyes and Mark May in the same sentence?
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Post by fbfan on Nov 28, 2018 20:00:13 GMT -5
I prefer and am okay with going to the Rose Bowl, Just so TTUN doesn't get to go, Instead of us getting embarrassed by Clemson or Alabama. I'd vote our beloved Buckeyes out, Cause we still lost to Purdue, Badly. I'm OK with that also. The Rose Bowl is a great bowl and was the OSU goal for many years. Playing Washington or Utah would be a virtual home game for Buckeye Nation, and as you allude to, probably a happier New Year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 20:20:45 GMT -5
I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate here. If the Bucks end up in the Rose are people going to be ok with players that are entering the draft to sit it out? After seeing McKenzie Milton’s injury and Jaylon Smith’s injury a couple years ago in the Fiesta Bowl I’m cool with it. The bowl games have basically become glorified scrimmages anyways for the elite programs
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Post by Birdman on Nov 28, 2018 20:26:34 GMT -5
I get the whole sitting out thing but the big bowl games I think mean a lot. Mainly bragging rights the power 5’s best against the rest and see how they fair. Nothing I like seeing more than BIG10 going undefeated in the bowl games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 20:41:21 GMT -5
I get the whole sitting out thing but the big bowl games I think mean a lot. Mainly bragging rights the power 5’s best against the rest and see how they fair. Nothing I like seeing more than BIG10 going undefeated in the bowl games. The conference going undefeated is more important to you than your school winning the national title?
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