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Post by dude on Dec 5, 2018 22:16:47 GMT -5
But can they coach/teach? Jordan and Magic were great players at the highest level but did not coach well. Don’t know but what if they turn out great at it? Just because Jordan and magic weren’t great at it doesn’t mean everyone won’t be. I don’t think it can be any worse than what Billy Davis was doing. Is Ohio State the school that gives someone their first ever coaching job? Wouldn't OSU be the school that gets someone with years of experience. It's very true it would make a great story.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 5, 2018 22:33:40 GMT -5
Urban says that Ryan Day is a better offensive coordinator than Dan Mullens and Tom Herman were. MUCH more creative than either.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 5, 2018 22:39:35 GMT -5
I’ve actually seen the opposite from some people on twitter, there’s some that think Davis and Schiano may both be out. I see Schiano for sure but wondered about Davis. I should think Schiano will be looking for a head coaching job. He's sorta been passed over, when Day was hired. Not saying Schiano should have been hired for the job, but I'm sure he feels he at least deserved consideration. Which he did not get.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 5, 2018 22:43:29 GMT -5
Ohio State and Urban are undergoing this coaching change in the most opportune time and doing it in a smooth, seamless manner. Some on other sites, have suggested Ohio State should have undergone a thorough and lengthy, search process. Going that route is full of pitfalls, creating a void of uncertainty that would threaten the current recruiting commits and verbals and having a good share of Ohio State leans, looking elsewhere. With recruiting among the foremost considerations, I think the offensive staff is going to be the least effected. I fully expect coach Day to retain Kevin Wilson OC/TE, Greg Studrawa OL, Tony Alford RB, Brian Hartline WR. On the defensive side, expect the retention of DL Larry Johnson, Alex Grinch DB, Taver Johnson CB and after that, expect new faces to replace Greg Schiano DC, and Bill Davis LB. One big commonality of returning position coaches is they have done exceptional work on the recruiting front and will ensure Ohio State maintains it's elite recruiting status. Johnson is 66, with Urban retiring, he might think this would be the best time for him to hang it up. Regardless of the year, IMO he will be a huge loss.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 5, 2018 22:45:06 GMT -5
wow, if only someone on NOSF has seen this coming :+| Chris Carter said he was worried that Urban was going to kill himself, if he didn't retire. If he thought that, I'm sure his family was concerned. The last few games did anyone notice the 55 or so year old, graying, short cropped haired gentleman wearing a red windbreaker that was always standing behind Urban? Not one of the assistant coaches, too old to be a grad assistant..... A Doctor, he had the special migraine pills. Look at replays of games, he's always there.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 5, 2018 23:52:13 GMT -5
we've been calling this since August man
lolZ
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 6, 2018 7:37:52 GMT -5
Ohio State and Urban are undergoing this coaching change in the most opportune time and doing it in a smooth, seamless manner. Some on other sites, have suggested Ohio State should have undergone a thorough and lengthy, search process. Going that route is full of pitfalls, creating a void of uncertainty that would threaten the current recruiting commits and verbals and having a good share of Ohio State leans, looking elsewhere. With recruiting among the foremost considerations, I think the offensive staff is going to be the least effected. I fully expect coach Day to retain Kevin Wilson OC/TE, Greg Studrawa OL, Tony Alford RB, Brian Hartline WR. On the defensive side, expect the retention of DL Larry Johnson, Alex Grinch DB, Taver Johnson CB and after that, expect new faces to replace Greg Schiano DC, and Bill Davis LB. One big commonality of returning position coaches is they have done exceptional work on the recruiting front and will ensure Ohio State maintains it's elite recruiting status. Johnson is 66, with Urban retiring, he might think this would be the best time for him to hang it up. Regardless of the year, IMO he will be a huge loss. Pretty sure I've read that Johnson is planning on returning for another season. To retain the DL recruits that have committed and keep us in the conversation for our top 2019 top target Zach Harrison and top 2020 target Five-star defensive end Bryan Bresee, the nation's top player in the 2020 class, it is imperative Larry Johnson remains as coach.
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Post by ronburgandy on Dec 6, 2018 8:56:28 GMT -5
Don’t know but what if they turn out great at it? Just because Jordan and magic weren’t great at it doesn’t mean everyone won’t be. I don’t think it can be any worse than what Billy Davis was doing. Is Ohio State the school that gives someone their first ever coaching job? Wouldn't OSU be the school that gets someone with years of experience. It's very true it would make a great story. We most likely will be giving Brian Hartline his first job once he gets the interim tag taken off. Yes, he was a grad assistant here before that but he was basically the position coach all this season so it can definitely work. Also I forgot about Marcus Freeman at Cincy, definitely an intriguing possibility.
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Post by Birdman on Dec 6, 2018 9:04:33 GMT -5
I sure am going to miss Urban. What a great few years we have had with him. Day will continue the tradition I have no doubts about it.
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Post by dude on Dec 6, 2018 10:23:36 GMT -5
Is Ohio State the school that gives someone their first ever coaching job? Wouldn't OSU be the school that gets someone with years of experience. It's very true it would make a great story. We most likely will be giving Brian Hartline his first job once he gets the interim tag taken off. Yes, he was a grad assistant here before that but he was basically the position coach all this season so it can definitely work. Also I forgot about Marcus Freeman at Cincy, definitely an intriguing possibility. Splitting hairs, but Hartline was someone that had already entered into coaching before being thrown into a spot that came open during the season. Both of the guys you mentioned have never taken a step in the direction of coaching. I think calling them and asking if they would like to make a career change to be a position coach for THE Ohio State Buckeyes would be a mistake for a brand new head coach. I think most of the staff will return, as Day has said he wants to keep his transition as smooth as possible, and that includes Davis in my mind.
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Post by ronburgandy on Dec 6, 2018 10:27:25 GMT -5
We most likely will be giving Brian Hartline his first job once he gets the interim tag taken off. Yes, he was a grad assistant here before that but he was basically the position coach all this season so it can definitely work. Also I forgot about Marcus Freeman at Cincy, definitely an intriguing possibility. Splitting hairs, but Hartline was someone that had already entered into coaching before being thrown into a spot that came open during the season. Both of the guys you mentioned have never taken a step in the direction of coaching. I think calling them and asking if they would like to make a career change to be a position coach for THE Ohio State Buckeyes would be a mistake for a brand new head coach. I think most of the staff will return, as Day has said he wants to keep his transition as smooth as possible, and that includes Davis in my mind. Agree to disagree.
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Post by dude on Dec 6, 2018 11:39:12 GMT -5
Splitting hairs, but Hartline was someone that had already entered into coaching before being thrown into a spot that came open during the season. Both of the guys you mentioned have never taken a step in the direction of coaching. I think calling them and asking if they would like to make a career change to be a position coach for THE Ohio State Buckeyes would be a mistake for a brand new head coach. I think most of the staff will return, as Day has said he wants to keep his transition as smooth as possible, and that includes Davis in my mind. Agree to disagree. Yes, agree to disagree. My thought is the two guys you mentioned for the job have obviously no interest in coaching otherwise they would already be in it somewhere. Hartline had already decided he wanted to. I see this as the major difference between Hartline and those other 2. But I do agree it would make for a good storyline to see AJ Hawk back on the sidelines at OSU.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2018 15:07:57 GMT -5
we've been calling this since August man lolZ Do you have a mouse in your pocket boy. ROFL. Just adding back up to your call in August. However, if memory serves your call in August had nothing to do with health, it was all about Zach Smith.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2018 15:23:32 GMT -5
Urban and Tressel are a combined 16-1 against U of M. All other OSU head coaches are a combined 35-58-5.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 6, 2018 16:39:07 GMT -5
Throw in Hayes and Bruce to the mix; what do records look like? Yes, too lazy to check, myself
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Post by ronburgandy on Dec 6, 2018 20:02:07 GMT -5
The post Urban era has its first commitment as Tommy Eichenberg commits, he’s a 4* linebacker.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 6, 2018 20:10:15 GMT -5
From St. Ignatius? Edit It is. Heard a bit about him on Yappi St. Ignatius threads
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Post by ronburgandy on Dec 6, 2018 20:17:09 GMT -5
Correct. Was committed to Boston college originally. And I just read that he silently committed to Ohio state the night before urban’s announcement.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2018 21:07:51 GMT -5
Throw in Hayes and Bruce to the mix; what do records look like? Yes, too lazy to check, myself Woody 16-11-1 Earl 5-4
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 6, 2018 21:12:18 GMT -5
14-43-4 record minus those 4 if my math is correct
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 6, 2018 23:16:44 GMT -5
we've been calling this since August man lolZ Do you have a mouse in your pocket boy. ROFL. Just adding back up to your call in August. However, if memory serves your call in August had nothing to do with health, it was all about Zach Smith. Urban said in his presser that the issues this summer contributed to his decision, and that his health had been an issue as early as 2017. I know people in the program dude, I know of what I speak when I speak of OSU Football. I had people tell me when Day took over as interim instead of others on the staff that had HC experience that something was up.l We know down here. There are no secrets.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 6, 2018 23:17:51 GMT -5
14-43-4 record minus those 4 if my math is correct if you wanna count games before WWII sure
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 7, 2018 0:30:59 GMT -5
I was more focused on complimenting the four that did well against UM i.e. when three of them took over, they stopped the bleeding with frequent losses in this series.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 7, 2018 6:06:26 GMT -5
14-43-4 record minus those 4 if my math is correct And........we are talking leather helmets and flying wedges....lol
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 7, 2018 7:10:02 GMT -5
It wasn't in the Cooper era; he gets lumped in the 14-43-1 group
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 7, 2018 10:17:52 GMT -5
14-43-4 record minus those 4 if my math is correct It would actually be 14-42-5 WF's number you started with is slightly wrong because he subtracted from the tie column instead of the loss column. Subtracting 16-1-0 from 51-58-6 is 35-57-6, not 35-58-5. It wasn't in the Cooper era; he gets lumped in the 14-43-1 group And if you pull him and Fickel out as well it's 12-31-4. Which works out to simply being 12-31-4 for every coach combined before Woody and 39-27-2 from Woody's first year to present day. And while we're at it, if you pull out everyone who coached Ohio State in the Big Ten Conference it's 0-12-2. Which works out to simply being 0-12-2 for every coach who faced Michigan in a non conference game and 51-46-4 for those that faced them in a conference game (every coach from John Wilce to present)
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Post by dude on Dec 7, 2018 11:15:46 GMT -5
I would be in favor of pulling out all the loses and jut count the winning seasons.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 7, 2018 23:20:54 GMT -5
I was more focused on complimenting the four that did well against UM i.e. when three of them took over, they stopped the bleeding with frequent losses in this series. Woody, Earl, Tressel and Urban. Only one other head coach in Ohio State history has a winning record against U of M. Francis Schmidt, 4-3
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2018 6:06:53 GMT -5
Sounds like Bill Davis is returning but Schiano may be looking elsewhere. IMO he would need a very strong Rose Bowl game to land a good job. His defense has been an trash can this season many times. I’ve actually seen the opposite from some people on twitter, there’s some that think Davis and Schiano may both be out. I heard this week that Davis is back and Shiano is passing out resumes.
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Post by ronburgandy on Dec 12, 2018 17:01:17 GMT -5
I read something about that too on Bucknuts, Schiano getting involved with the Temple job as is Don Brown from Michigan. Surprised about Billy Davis though, thought he’d be gone. Maybe with a different DC though the LB play will be different.
Also just saw that DreMont Jones declared for the NFL draft which isn’t surprising though.
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