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Post by dude on Jan 16, 2019 9:30:23 GMT -5
I predicted last year that Martel would never be a starting QB for the Ohio State University. His spot appearances this past season were very unimpressive. Had you predicted Justin Fields was going to transfer I would give you credit.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 16, 2019 15:46:57 GMT -5
I predicted last year that Martel would never be a starting QB for the Ohio State University. His spot appearances this past season were very unimpressive. Had you predicted Justin Fields was going to transfer I would give you credit. LOL.....agreed.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 16, 2019 16:49:39 GMT -5
I was super excited when Martell committed to tOSU but i agree, he did not look good last year in limited action.
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Post by purefan on Jan 16, 2019 21:11:54 GMT -5
I’m a bit confused by why everyone is saying martell didn’t impress. The kid is electric and i expect him to do huge things at miami. I think he would of beat Fields out and been our starting qb this year and for years to come. I think it is a big loss. Fields was not a highly rated qb till very late then jumped to the top of several scouts lists. The fact he didn’t beat out Jake Fromm should tell us all something. Fromm is a ave qb at best. I would rather have J T as qb than Fromm. Georgia doesn’t seem to upset to lose such a highly touted player. I surely hope he lives up to the hype. I promise you Martell will. Kid is a winner with a great moter and work ethic. Martell’s numbers are as follows 23-28 269 yards 82.1 comp % 9.6 ypc 1 td 22 carries 128 yards 5.8 ypa 2 td Unimpressive?? I must of been watching different games than you all. The only reason his rushing stats aren’t more impressive was because of all the goal line and short yardage packages he was put in when the defense knew he was going to run the ball. It was so predictable and wasn’t fair to him the way he got used later in season. If it makes everyone feel better to say he was unimpressive so be it. I think osu has lost a good one.
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Post by dude on Jan 16, 2019 21:20:27 GMT -5
The biggest knock on Martel is how he decided right away to run from OSU. If he truly felt he was the better QB wouldn't he have stayed and proven it regardless of who transferred in?
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Post by purefan on Jan 16, 2019 21:30:47 GMT -5
I think there is more to it that none of us will know, at least not for a while. I think he prob felt slighted a little bit and the chance to join his old teamates at miami was a factor. I would bet he was prob told by someone fields will be our qb next year so here are your options. He will have to sit next year as i doubt a hardship will be granted. Again, i hope fields is all he is made out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 22:38:33 GMT -5
I’m a bit confused by why everyone is saying martell didn’t impress. The kid is electric and i expect him to do huge things at miami. I think he would of beat Fields out and been our starting qb this year and for years to come. I think it is a big loss. Fields was not a highly rated qb till very late then jumped to the top of several scouts lists. The fact he didn’t beat out Jake Fromm should tell us all something. Fromm is a ave qb at best. I would rather have J T as qb than Fromm. Georgia doesn’t seem to upset to lose such a highly touted player. I surely hope he lives up to the hype. I promise you Martell will. Kid is a winner with a great moter and work ethic. Martell’s numbers are as follows 23-28 269 yards 82.1 comp % 9.6 ypc 1 td 22 carries 128 yards 5.8 ypa 2 td Unimpressive?? I must of been watching different games than you all. The only reason his rushing stats aren’t more impressive was because of all the goal line and short yardage packages he was put in when the defense knew he was going to run the ball. It was so predictable and wasn’t fair to him the way he got used later in season. If it makes everyone feel better to say he was unimpressive so be it. I think osu has lost a good one. Jake Fromm is a projected top 5 pick in ‘20 draft. Hardly an average qb as you put it
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Post by purefan on Jan 16, 2019 23:20:44 GMT -5
Just calling it how i see it. Watched several of georgia’s games. Not that impressed with Fromm. If he goes on to have a sucessful nfl career ill be 1st to admit i was wrong. I just don’t see it.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 16, 2019 23:42:15 GMT -5
I’m a bit confused by why everyone is saying martell didn’t impress. The kid is electric and i expect him to do huge things at miami. I think he would of beat Fields out and been our starting qb this year and for years to come. I think it is a big loss. Fields was not a highly rated qb till very late then jumped to the top of several scouts lists. The fact he didn’t beat out Jake Fromm should tell us all something. Fromm is a ave qb at best. I would rather have J T as qb than Fromm. Georgia doesn’t seem to upset to lose such a highly touted player. I surely hope he lives up to the hype. I promise you Martell will. Kid is a winner with a great moter and work ethic. Martell’s numbers are as follows 23-28 269 yards 82.1 comp % 9.6 ypc 1 td 22 carries 128 yards 5.8 ypa 2 td Unimpressive?? I must of been watching different games than you all. The only reason his rushing stats aren’t more impressive was because of all the goal line and short yardage packages he was put in when the defense knew he was going to run the ball. It was so predictable and wasn’t fair to him the way he got used later in season. If it makes everyone feel better to say he was unimpressive so be it. I think osu has lost a good one. Jake Fromm is a projected top 5 pick in ‘20 draft. Hardly an average qb as you put it uhm...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 2:37:26 GMT -5
Just calling it how i see it. Watched several of georgia’s games. Not that impressed with Fromm. If he goes on to have a sucessful nfl career ill be 1st to admit i was wrong. I just don’t see it. Maybe you need to stop “calling things as you see it.” *see N10 basketball thread
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Post by purefan on Jan 17, 2019 6:51:18 GMT -5
Just calling it how i see it. Watched several of georgia’s games. Not that impressed with Fromm. If he goes on to have a sucessful nfl career ill be 1st to admit i was wrong. I just don’t see it. Maybe you need to stop “calling things as you see it.” *see N10 basketball thread That’s the best you got??? Wow. We are talking college football here. Your comment makes zero sense within this disscussion. Get that shovel out bighoss
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Post by dude on Jan 17, 2019 8:08:06 GMT -5
Just calling it how i see it. Watched several of georgia’s games. Not that impressed with Fromm. If he goes on to have a sucessful nfl career ill be 1st to admit i was wrong. I just don’t see it. Have you ever called anything correctly? Did you really expect Georgia to celebrate or cry about a kid transferring out? Did Alabama? Not heard a lot of thunder and lightening from Columbus about Martell walking. Being quiet is the norm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 8:19:23 GMT -5
Maybe you need to stop “calling things as you see it.” *see N10 basketball thread That’s the best you got??? Wow. We are talking college football here. Your comment makes zero sense within this disscussion. Get that shovel out bighoss My comment makes sense because it illustrates how you say things that are incorrect. It’s not my fault you can’t evaluate qb talent. Jake Fromm was the 20th ranked prospect in the ‘17th class and the 3rd ranked qb (much higher than your boy Tathan). Eason transfered to Washington because he knew he wasn’t beating him out. Walkerfootball has him as the 2nd best qb prospect in the ‘20 draft behind Tua. Yet he’s just average. Stick to Crawford hoops and the Dave Sheldon fan club
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Post by purefan on Jan 17, 2019 8:27:15 GMT -5
Just calling it how i see it. Watched several of georgia’s games. Not that impressed with Fromm. If he goes on to have a sucessful nfl career ill be 1st to admit i was wrong. I just don’t see it. Have you ever called anything correctly? Did you really expect Georgia to celebrate or cry about a kid transferring out? Did Alabama? Not heard a lot of thunder and lightening from Columbus about Martell walking. Being quiet is the norm. Agree being quiet is the norm. And yes have called plenty of things correctly. I’m not saying i will be correct about Fromm either, just from what i have seen of him i’m not overly impressed and would of thought Fields should of won the qb job. I’m not saying Fields won’t lead osu to a national title, i hope he does. I do feel that Martell would have not nrxt year but year after. Just because i have a different opinion than the few on this thread doesn’t mean i’m right or you guys are right, it’s my opinion. Time will tell how it all pan’s out.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 17, 2019 9:39:17 GMT -5
I thought Haskins should have beaten out Barrett, and he should have, that is why Dabo and Nick play in title games and Urban and Kirby eat crumbs. Because maybe Fields should have been starting over Frohm and Kirby put loyalty to a player over loyalty to the team.
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Post by dude on Jan 17, 2019 9:41:46 GMT -5
Definitely all opinion but facts and stats can help you with opinions. The fact is Fromm has lead his team to a 24-5 record in his two years and to the National Championship game as a freshman. He has thrown for over 2,500 yds in both seasons and is 54-13 in TDs to INTs.
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Post by purefan on Jan 17, 2019 9:49:01 GMT -5
I thought Haskins should have beaten out Barrett, and he should have, that is why Dabo and Nick play in title games and Urban and Kirby eat crumbs. Because maybe Fields should have been starting over Frohm and Kirby put loyalty to a player over loyalty to the team. If that is the case then i will be much more excited to see Fields in the scarlet and grey. If he is the haskins in waiting then that will make us all very happy. 😀
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Post by purefan on Jan 17, 2019 9:51:24 GMT -5
Definitely all opinion but facts and stats can help you with opinions. The fact is Fromm has lead his team to a 24-5 record in his two years and to the National Championship game as a freshman. He has thrown for over 2,500 yds in both seasons and is 54-13 in TDs to INTs. Sounds eerily kinda like J T. A quality qb, but can’t lead ya to a title.
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Post by dude on Jan 17, 2019 9:54:58 GMT -5
Definitely all opinion but facts and stats can help you with opinions. The fact is Fromm has lead his team to a 24-5 record in his two years and to the National Championship game as a freshman. He has thrown for over 2,500 yds in both seasons and is 54-13 in TDs to INTs. Sounds eerily kinda like J T. A quality qb, but can’t lead ya to a title. Are you implying that only the National Champion QB is a good one?
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Post by purefan on Jan 17, 2019 9:58:17 GMT -5
That’s the best you got??? Wow. We are talking college football here. Your comment makes zero sense within this disscussion. Get that shovel out bighoss My comment makes sense because it illustrates how you say things that are incorrect. It’s not my fault you can’t evaluate qb talent. Jake Fromm was the 20th ranked prospect in the ‘17th class and the 3rd ranked qb (much higher than your boy Tathan). Eason transfered to Washington because he knew he wasn’t beating him out. Walkerfootball has him as the 2nd best qb prospect in the ‘20 draft behind Tua. Yet he’s just average. Stick to Crawford hoops and the Dave Sheldon fan club And as is the case more times than not, rankings and ratings are just that. They don’t win you titles and doesn’t mean they will be sucessful at the next level. Been many a highly touted qb fall flat on there face once heading to the nfl. And no need to be a hater, we take memberships into the fan club everyday. 😁
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Post by purefan on Jan 17, 2019 9:59:25 GMT -5
Sounds eerily kinda like J T. A quality qb, but can’t lead ya to a title. Are you implying that only the National Champion QB is a good one? No not implying that. Sorry if it comes off that way. That is the goal for osu though isn’t it?
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Post by dude on Jan 17, 2019 10:08:03 GMT -5
Are you implying that only the National Champion QB is a good one? No not implying that. Sorry if it comes off that way. That is the goal for osu though isn’t it? Many goals for OSU but winning a Nat. Champ. is not the only measure for a QB.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 17, 2019 11:17:13 GMT -5
I thought Haskins should have beaten out Barrett, and he should have, that is why Dabo and Nick play in title games and Urban and Kirby eat crumbs. Because maybe Fields should have been starting over Frohm and Kirby put loyalty to a player over loyalty to the team. If that is the case then i will be much more excited to see Fields in the scarlet and grey. If he is the haskins in waiting then that will make us all very happy. 😀 You will never see another QB like Haskins in your lifetime. So if that is your expectation you will be constantly disappointed. Kid threw for 50 tds. He was the best pocket passer the Big-10 has ever seen. And as far as Fields goes, as I have said before, I think there is a decent chance Matt Baldwin ends up starting next year. On one hand I understand why Tate transferred because he was recruited to run Urban's offense, not Day's...on the other hand no one has been guaranteed anything as far as QB goes, Fields hasn't even been granted permission to play next year yet, and Tate was going to be given every opportunity to win the starting QB job. Day is going to pick the best player, there won't be any favoritism. So as far as I am concerned Tate transferring was a self-indictment of his own skillset and a self-critical take on what he personally thought his chances were of winning the starting job.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 17, 2019 23:06:20 GMT -5
Fields isn't like Haskins. According to Quincy Avery, closer to Cam Newton due to his running ability.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 18, 2019 7:22:09 GMT -5
Backup QB Kory Curtis is transferring out, along with Martell's departure, think something unexpected will happen before spring ball.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 18, 2019 7:48:32 GMT -5
Fillmore,,,I think you're right. Newton would seem to be a pretty good comparison,,,maybe even Vince Young as well. Point being, both guys won a Title.
Haskins it seems like really took off with Day as his coach. He improved a lot as did his receivers, which does not get mentioned too much. Campbell and his buddies were much better in 2018 than they were in 2017. In Comparing JT and DH,,,you need to account for the WR core working with Hartline (18) instead of Zach Smith (17),,these guys still have to catch the passes and be able to get open. They were an improved group imo, that being said if one wants to indict urban for something,,,it's sticking with Zach as a coach pure an simple and not even taking into account his off the field crap. I think Urban saw in ZS, his ability to recruit as a real plus for OSU. When the whole ZS thing imploded,,and Hartline took over his job,,,that was a huge blessing in disguised I feel for the WR corp. If we want to single out a guy who maybe had as big an impact on this season success as anything or anyone,,it's Hartline.
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Post by 1percenter on Jan 18, 2019 8:06:06 GMT -5
So as far as I am concerned Tate transferring was a self-indictment of his own skillset and a self-critical take on what he personally thought his chances were of winning the starting job. Or Tate Martell feels about Ryan Day the way Baker Mayfield felt about Kliff Kingsbury.
We'll find out shortly. Was Day a bad hire and that bad hire ran our Mayfield out of town? or was Martell just not that good and knew he couldn't beat out a guy that hasn't even practiced with the team yet?
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 18, 2019 8:53:23 GMT -5
Fillmore,,,I think you're right. Newton would seem to be a pretty good comparison,,,maybe even Vince Young as well. Point being, both guys won a Title. Haskins it seems like really took off with Day as his coach. He improved a lot as did his receivers, which does not get mentioned too much. Campbell and his buddies were much better in 2018 than they were in 2017. In Comparing JT and DH,,,you need to account for the WR core working with Hartline (18) instead of Zach Smith (17),,these guys still have to catch the passes and be able to get open. They were an improved group imo, that being said if one wants to indict urban for something,,,it's sticking with Zach as a coach pure an simple and not even taking into account his off the field crap. I think Urban saw in ZS, his ability to recruit as a real plus for OSU. When the whole ZS thing imploded,,and Hartline took over his job,,, that was a huge blessing in disguised I feel for the WR corp. If we want to single out a guy who maybe had as big an impact on this season success as anything or anyone,,it's Hartline. i think the biggest blessing for the WR corps was JT graduating
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 18, 2019 9:37:02 GMT -5
I don't doubt DH was better,,,but I also think the WR unit as a whole got better. We didn't see near the drops,,,and they also got open more. For that I give credit to Hartline. We'll never really know if DH was ready in 2017 or not. We saw him vs Mich,,,that's really about it.
Hartline was a huge upgrade in the coaching arena,,and now he's bringing it to the recruiting side as well. In my mind it's the one thing and area where Urban really screwed up, holding onto to ZS.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 18, 2019 9:56:42 GMT -5
I don't doubt DH was better,,,but I also think the WR unit as a whole got better. We didn't see near the drops,,,and they also got open more. For that I give credit to Hartline. We'll never really know if DH was ready in 2017 or not. We saw him vs Mich,,,that's really about it. Hartline was a huge upgrade in the coaching arena,,and now he's bringing it to the recruiting side as well. In my mind it's the one thing and area where Urban really screwed up, holding onto to ZS. DH was certainly better in his prolific passing abilities, but I think we could say the same comparison against any other QB in America. I give the edge to JT in reading defenses and getting the offense in the right sets. Another years starting experience for DH, this would be negligible. Coaches who evaluate their players abilities and development everyday in practice, make their decisions based on what they see. The common fan has no basis to accurately and objectively question those judgements.
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