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Post by dude on Jan 7, 2019 21:58:52 GMT -5
Will Schwemley be Shelby's coach next year ?? Why would he leave? His oldest is a senior but doesn't he have another son that plays basketball?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2019 23:31:31 GMT -5
I went with what someone told me.
Coburn did not "get some late". He only had one basket in the 4th quarter.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2019 23:42:45 GMT -5
A quick question to the folks on this site: I have noticed this over the course of time and maybe it has just my view point but do the officials in the Northwest District seem to let more contact go than the officials in the Central District? I have seen quite a few basketball and soccer games where contact takes place that in the Central District is a foul but in the Northwest District is not called. I am not complaining about bad officiating because they call it the same way for both teams. It just seems like you can get away with a lot more contact in games officiated by crews from the Northwest then you can from crews in the Central. Now that folks from Ontario, Galion and Clear Fork are playing some of their games with Central District refs, have you noticed a difference in more fouls being called at away games? Not really, except the Columbus officials aren't used to Balogh and Henige chewing on them.
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Post by homewrecker on Jan 8, 2019 8:15:54 GMT -5
Will Schwemley be Shelby's coach next year ?? Why would he leave? His oldest is a senior but doesn't he have another son that plays basketball? After visiting some Shelby friends at one of the last BB games I would not be surprised to see him step down next year. I sure got an ear full from some very close to the team.
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Post by dude on Jan 8, 2019 8:44:33 GMT -5
Why would he leave? His oldest is a senior but doesn't he have another son that plays basketball? After visiting some Shelby friends at one of the last BB games I would not be surprised to see him step down next year. I sure got an ear full from some very close to the team. Shelby has their fair share of upset parents when it comes to their sports. The football coach has already stepped down.
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Post by kingmartinez on Jan 8, 2019 19:33:29 GMT -5
Will Schwemley be Shelby's coach next year ?? Why would he leave? His oldest is a senior but doesn't he have another son that plays basketball? Being an assistant principal would be my main guess why he would step down. Most schools Shelby's size and bigger frown on coaching and being an administrator.
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Post by homewrecker on Jan 9, 2019 7:35:26 GMT -5
Why would he leave? His oldest is a senior but doesn't he have another son that plays basketball? Being an assistant principal would be my main guess why he would step down. Most schools Shelby's size and bigger frown on coaching and being an administrator. I don’t think being an assistant principal has much to do with it, they let him do both this year. I would think with a son coming up through the system he would want keep coaching to make sure he gets plenty of playing time.
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Post by dude on Jan 9, 2019 8:45:57 GMT -5
Being an assistant principal would be my main guess why he would step down. Most schools Shelby's size and bigger frown on coaching and being an administrator. I don’t think being an assistant principal has much to do with it, they let him do both this year. I would think with a son coming up through the system he would want keep coaching to make sure he gets plenty of playing time. So why did you ask the question?
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 9, 2019 9:42:14 GMT -5
Schwemley isn’t going anywhere, unless he resigns. Starts at the top. The AD accepts mediocrity and early tourney exits as successful seasons, so the coaches jobs are safe.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 9, 2019 10:47:32 GMT -5
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 9, 2019 11:03:58 GMT -5
Yep, sad but true.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 9, 2019 11:36:41 GMT -5
I can tolerate it.
He's 22-3 against Willard since he came to Shelby. The worst three seasons were 10-11, 8-14, and 12-10.
Willard has had 10 of 12 seasons since Schwemley's tenure be 12 wins or worse (in some years, way worse).
I know Willard isn't the benchmark for success in the area anymore, but look at what their consistent coaching insecurity causes them.
Hell, who knows where Shelby is getting their next football coach.
Greg Popovich ain't coming through that door anytime soon. Shelby isn't going to turn into Ottawa-Glandorf or Lex with a new coach is my bet. Let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 9, 2019 12:17:53 GMT -5
That would be like telling my kids not to try to excel, that a C average is good enough. I don’t understand that mentality. Why can’t Shelby be as good as Lex in basketball year in year out? Why not strive to be the best instead of accepting mediocrity?
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Post by ohioraised on Jan 9, 2019 12:36:58 GMT -5
That would be like telling my kids not to try to excel, that a C average is good enough. I don’t understand that mentality. Why can’t Shelby be as good as Lex in basketball year in year out? Why not strive to be the best instead of accepting mediocrity? The best team in the area right now is 9-1 Mansfield Sr. Why can't Shelby be as good as Mansfield Sr every year?
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Post by ohioraised on Jan 9, 2019 12:46:53 GMT -5
Why would he leave? His oldest is a senior but doesn't he have another son that plays basketball? Being an assistant principal would be my main guess why he would step down. Most schools Shelby's size and bigger frown on coaching and being an administrator. Isn't he already a principal at one of their buildings?
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 9, 2019 13:11:43 GMT -5
Yes, he’s Assistant Principal at high school
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 9, 2019 13:14:14 GMT -5
That would be like telling my kids not to try to excel, that a C average is good enough. I don’t understand that mentality. Why can’t Shelby be as good as Lex in basketball year in year out? Why not strive to be the best instead of accepting mediocrity? The best team in the area right now is 9-1 Mansfield Sr. Why can't Shelby be as good as Mansfield Sr every year? . Previous comment was ‘even with a new coach, Shelby wouldn’t be as good as Lex, OG.’ That’s why I referred to Lex Point is, why is average acceptable? I don’t understand that mentality
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 9, 2019 14:14:43 GMT -5
I doubt there is a single person who doesn't want above average success. However, telling your kids to strive for better than a C average has more validity because your kids ought to have the means to achieve those higher grades without significant outside influence. For Shelby to improve would require significant outside influence. The problem is, Shelby has been stuck in this 14-8 rut for several years now. Not the worst place to be, but not exciting beyond the first week of the tournament. What are our variables for finding basketball success? You have coaching. You have players. You have the community. You have historic norms (arguably very tied to coaching). When you get all four, you have Ottawa-Glandorf and Lexington. Coaching is a big factor. We all know that. But what is the opportunity cost of trying to find a new coach? How would you find a new coach? How would you find a *good* new coach who can improve upon a 60% win rate? If said new coach doesn't have much of a track record, how can we vet that his plan and style is one that would thrive in Shelby? Does Shelby have the resources to expend in order to find that person? Is the school going to sink that money to improve upon a mildly irrelevant position in the grand scheme of continuing academic improvement? Let's not forget that Shelby isn't all sunshine and daisies either. Lexington is good because their village is good. Same with OG. Here are data profiles for Lexington, the village of Ottawa, and Shelby from census.gov. I am providing Median and Mean family incomes for each of those three communities for 2017: Lexington Median Family Income: $65,053 Lexington Mean Family Income: $79,172 factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmkOttawa Median Family Income: $63,513 Ottawa Mean Family Income: $77,758 factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmkShelby Median Family Income: $51,353 Shelby Mean Family Income: $58,478 factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmkIf a coach who has any established record of better than 60% win rate is looking to move to a new community, they are going to be looking for a town with more gusto than Shelby. If Shelby wants to get better, it isn't entirely in the hands of the administration. The act of firing/hiring is definitely in their hands, but winning the game of musical chairs that supplies us with a dynamite coach isn't cut and dry like that. If the Shelby admins can provide a sales pitch to get a fantastic coach who can supercharge the program, I'd want to know if they use that sales pitch to recruit new high-value employers to Shelby as well.
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 9, 2019 14:43:34 GMT -5
Valid points, I get it. It’s the same deal with hiring a new football coach, helicopter parents ran Will out of the job and I don’t think they’ll find a better coach. But it’s been what, 10 years for basketball and it seems they’re still treading water.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 9, 2019 17:31:13 GMT -5
I think you have sincere criticisms that I share. Every single year, Shelby manages to prove they can, at the least, hang with the top dogs in the area. There aren't many Schwemley led teams that ever get blown out, even to the District champs each year. Yet they can't put together any decent tournament run.
This is just for information's sake. I am showing what Shelby results were against the District Champ each year that Schwemley has been in town.
2006-07: 0-2 to Upper Sandusky (23-4), 4 point loss at home and 5 point OT loss on the road 2007-08: 0-2 to Lexington (20-5), 7 point loss on the road and 3 point loss in District Finals 2008-09: 1-2 to Galion (16-9), 6 point loss on the road, 15 point win at home, and 5 point loss in Sectional Semis ***Shelby was 1-1 against #1 District seed Upper that year*** 2009-10: Did not play District Champ Port Clinton, but was 5-1 against all other District teams (the one loss being Madison in the Sectional Finals) 2010-11: 1-1 to Madison (17-8), 9 point win on the road, 1 point loss in District Finals 2011-12: Did not play District Champ Elida, went 2-2 against all other District teams 2012-13: Did not play District Champ Lima Bath, went 1-2 against all other District teams 2013-14: 0-3 to Norwalk (29-1), 29 point loss at home, 29 point loss on the road, 15 point loss in the tournament ***This is Schwemley's worst team at Shelby*** 2014-15: 0-2 to Sandusky (21-5), 11 point loss on the road, 6 point loss at home 2015-16: 0-1 to Lexington (24-3), 11 point loss on the road 2016-17: 1-1 to Sandusky (21-5), 7 point loss on the road, 15 point win at home 2017-18: 0-1 to Lexington (23-6), 4 point loss on the road
In total, Shelby has gone 3-15 against District Champions since 2006-07.
If you exclude the year that Norwalk won state, Shelby's average margin of defeat in 12 losses to District Champions was 5.8 points.
I don't know what other schools are up to in those same situations, but I always felt that Shelby had some semblance of a chance to beat the best team in the area in most years. The results say otherwise, but meh.
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 9, 2019 18:34:26 GMT -5
Great information, thank you. Goes back to my original point, mediocrity is a success according to our AD, so it’s status quo. Which I feel is a disservice to the kids
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 9, 2019 20:24:45 GMT -5
I think tournament performance has been mediocre. No denying that.
For the sake of argument: for an average season, who would I most want to trade basketball programs with in our district since the start of 2006-07? For my own example, I wouldn't consider Mansfield or Vermilion as they have been radically out of Shelby's turf for the entire past decade.
Lexington, definitely. Sandusky Perkins Ontario Norwalk? (Besides 2011-12 through 2013-14, what are you really getting from an average Norwalk team besides mediocrity)
After that, I don't know who is that compelling. Bellevue, Clyde, Madison, Galion, Upper, Tiffin certainly aren't.
I would definitely relish the occasional District Championship and would happily trade for that in some instances, but then I'm stuck with 2010-11 Madison and a bunch of hot garbage in every other season.
I think we have more schools than not in our area who would rather have Shelby's ledger since 2007. On paper, we have it pretty good compared to most. Oh mercy could it be a lot better, but I'm not calling for anybody's head when I don't have a solution. That isn't a responsible way of managing situations like these.
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 9, 2019 20:46:00 GMT -5
First off, I didn’t call for anyone’s head. I merely stated that our AD is okay with mediocrity. I think Shelby’s freshman coach would be a great hire if there was a shakeup in basketball.
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Post by dude on Jan 9, 2019 21:34:09 GMT -5
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Post by marchmadness on Jan 9, 2019 22:23:29 GMT -5
Don't understand what the Shelby fans want. Wins? 179-104 at Shelby. League titles? Check-2. Plus an OT loss to Jon diebler or he would have another. And several other second place finishes. Tournament run? Maybe you forgot or didn't know that Schwemley led Columbus Grove to the State Championship game. So he can make a tournament run...maybe just not at Shelby. In D2, you need D1/D2 players to make runs to regionals/state. Norwalk had Haraway and Thomas. Lex had Stover. Upper the Dieblers. Willard had Dials. Who has been Shelby's best player in his tenure? Ingle? He barely got off the bench at Baldwin Wallace. Sommer? Dudics? Recent players? It's not like Shelby has a dominant history. I get why Willard fans have outrageous expectations...they had Haas and Noss. Shelby's Glory days? Shelby has never been good good. Scruchi had way more talent and way less wins? Pat Lewis? How many times did Steve Mohr get to regionals? I just don't understand....
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 9, 2019 22:51:35 GMT -5
That would be like telling my kids not to try to excel, that a C average is good enough. I don’t understand that mentality. Why can’t Shelby be as good as Lex in basketball year in year out? Why not strive to be the best instead of accepting mediocrity? The best team in the area right now is 9-1 Mansfield Sr. Why can't Shelby be as good as Mansfield Sr every year? Shelby isn't a basketball school. Mansfield Sr is a basketball school. Senior is more athletic at every position. Lex is a basketball school. Lex has better players than Shelby. Give Schwemley Mansfield's or Lexington's players and he'd coach them to just as good a record. Coaches know Shelby is a football school. IMO, Shelby being a football school could not get a better basketball coach at the time of hiring. They could hire a young energetic coach, without any head coaching experience and get lucky. They best way to be a basketball "power" at a school like Shelby is to have the 2 best athletes in every class do nothing but play basketball the year round. Balogh has had six 1st or 2nd Team All-Ohio players. 5 of the 6 did nothing but play basketball. Of his other All-League players 20 did nothing but play basketball.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 10, 2019 0:40:31 GMT -5
I am well aware that we are in the renaissance of Shelby basketball.
I know what it takes to have a sport consistently outclass the area. Before Downs retired, Shelby boys track was a force. The NOL went through Shelby more years than not. The energy about it was professional. Complaints were minimal. Faith in the program was guaranteed, because the program guaranteed league titles.
Shelby basketball over the past decade has grown into itself. We expect to beat Tiffin, Bellevue, Willard, Galion, and others, all in a way that didn't exist before. It isn't quite on the cultural plane that Shelby track was on, but it is closer than any other sport at the school.
A lot of Schwemley's success in the tournament came before the end of 2011. I'm standing by the fact that, yes, it is possible to improve the program, but that is purely because the program is not seeing the heights that Lex and other district teams have seen in the past decade.
I'm more than happy with what Shelby has put out there in the past decade. The sectional departures in March are damn frustrating, but the reality is that 60%+ schools don't make it past sectionals each year. And as I've posted, Shelby is pretty competitive against the top district teams year in and year out! I enjoy that, especially knowing some of the less capable teams we have suited up with. Schwemleys greatest trait is how his teams barely bottom out. They may leave too much on the table, but they aren't going to be an embarrassment.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 10, 2019 0:55:43 GMT -5
When I complain about Shelby, I'm complaining like someone does about the Indians. The Indians wouldn't be where the are without Francona, but he certainly hasn't delivered yet. I still wouldn't get rid of him, but man do I wish it would just work out one year.
Same with Shelby. It just sucks that, over the past 31 seasons, Shelby has 10 sectional titles. Schwemley has coached 12 seasons and only has three sectional titles to show for it. We don't have the players that other schools have had, but it definitely feels like some years we maybe could have snuck away with a few tournament wins. Hell, Schwemley's Columbus Grove team in 2006 ran way beyond its pay grade. He had another team at CG that stole two tournament wins when they were 4-12 at the tournament draw. When does that happen for Shelby? Here's to hoping it's this year...
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 10, 2019 8:33:07 GMT -5
To imply that you have to be a basketball school or a football school is false.
To say you need D1 basketball players to make a deep tournament run is also false.
I played for a school that has two state football titles and six basketball final four appearances (that’s just the highlights). Those occurred in parallel, not a football era and a basketball era. Of the six basketball teams two had A D1 athlete. I will agree having a couple of dedicated year around b-ball players helps a lot.
What you need is someone involved from the ground up (5th grade at least). He needs to set expectations at each level and needs to assure those expectations are being met. I believe a great program doesn’t play freshmen on varsity except for a rare occasion because they won’t need to. When the expectation that underclassmen are going to play up is gone you start getting teams with varsity that consist of 6-8 seniors and 6-8 juniors so graduation doesn’t kill your program every year. It takes someone who has the personality and leadership to get kids to buy in and work hard for great teams and deep runs not great individual stats. It can be done.
The only way you get that guy in Shelby given the community stats already posted is pay him and give him a contract for more than a year so he can implement his vision. He’d also need reassurance that he’d have administrative support against crazy (not legitimate) family/community concerns.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 10, 2019 20:42:51 GMT -5
Pay for a coach at a public school is determined by the union contract. You can't pay him a penny more. Unless the local Cadilac dealer loses a new one every year in the coaches driveway.
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