gt1975
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Post by gt1975 on Jan 11, 2019 14:12:13 GMT -5
January 8
Buckeye Valley (54) @ Watterson (60)
Clear Fork (65) @ Twiway (73)
Pleasant (53) @ Mount Gilead (37)
January 11
Ontario (52) @ Pleasant (57)
Buckeye Valley (61)@ Galion (64)
Clear Fork (57) @ Marion Harding (35)
River Valley (67) @ Shelby (66)
January 12
Willard (67) @ Shelby (58)
Ontario @ Bellevue - PPD- Rescheduled for 2-12
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gtab
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"If it ain't broke, don't try and fix it 'till it is broke"
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Post by gtab on Jan 11, 2019 21:10:57 GMT -5
Galion 64 / BV 61 FINAL
Alsip had 25
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Post by quiz on Jan 11, 2019 21:14:02 GMT -5
Any update on the River Valley at Shelby boys' game?
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gt1975
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Post by gt1975 on Jan 11, 2019 21:35:52 GMT -5
Any update on the River Valley at Shelby boys' game? RV 67 SH 66 |
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 11, 2019 22:12:11 GMT -5
MP-57
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Post by homewrecker on Jan 11, 2019 22:15:04 GMT -5
Any update on the River Valley at Shelby boys' game? RV 67 SH 66 Are we still thinking Schwemley is a good coach ? Another league loss to the team that is 0-6 in league play. Sure was a lot of votes for Shelby to with the MOAC on here, I was not one of them. A lot of you guys have not heard and seen the inside of this program from people that have. TJ Pugh needs to run from this program before he waste the next two years. They have to regret coming to Shelby. Move to Ontario or Lex before its too late |
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Post by utsherman on Jan 11, 2019 22:27:56 GMT -5
Who’s your suggestion to take over the reigns at Shelby? I know you were big on replacing Will too. Maybe the administration can get your input and really turn that sucker around...
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 11, 2019 23:25:27 GMT -5
Yeah, coaches loves clamoring to a piddling rural town that chases out coaches who have won 60% of their games over 12 years. You'd barely need to put any flyers up
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Post by gatesofbabylon25 on Jan 12, 2019 8:33:04 GMT -5
Are we still thinking Schwemley is a good coach ? Another league loss to the team that is 0-6 in league play. Sure was a lot of votes for Shelby to with the MOAC on here, I was not one of them. A lot of you guys have not heard and seen the inside of this program from people that have. TJ Pugh needs to run from this program before he waste the next two years. They have to regret coming to Shelby. Move to Ontario or Lex before its too late No one picked CF so I guess you also picked wrong. |
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Post by homewrecker on Jan 12, 2019 9:29:34 GMT -5
Who’s your suggestion to take over the reigns at Shelby? I know you were big on replacing Will too. Maybe the administration can get your input and really turn that sucker around... I did not call for Will's head if you look back through my post I said Shelby football had not built the dynasty that they thought they had. The credit to the resent success in Shelby football fell on Armstrong, Brooks, and Hill's senior class most coaches in the area would have been successful with that class. They were not given the credit. I gave credit to Will he didn't screw up that bunch In fact I said Will was the best coach Shelby has had since Hale. |
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Post by homewrecker on Jan 12, 2019 9:33:20 GMT -5
Are we still thinking Schwemley is a good coach ? Another league loss to the team that is 0-6 in league play. Sure was a lot of votes for Shelby to with the MOAC on here, I was not one of them. A lot of you guys have not heard and seen the inside of this program from people that have. TJ Pugh needs to run from this program before he waste the next two years. They have to regret coming to Shelby. Move to Ontario or Lex before its too late No one picked CF so I guess you also picked wrong. I did not know the MOAC programs well enough, but I knew Shelby was not the program some thought they were. I picked Pleasant |
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Post by shelbyccfan on Jan 12, 2019 10:06:55 GMT -5
Sad to hear Shelby player Hunter Hoffman reinjured his knee and had to leave the game just a few minutes into his return. He had been out a few for weeks. Any word on how bad his knee is. They definitely miss him.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 12, 2019 10:15:07 GMT -5
And I said Shelby's best football coach since Hale may have been Solis, who averaged 7-3 over 4 seasons after his first two years. If you find a way to delineate Armstrong, the Brooks's, and Hill, I imagine Solis and Will were definitely on par with one another. After all, who had the better team go 5-5, Solis in 2009 or Will in 2018?
The issue overall is that this is rural, D2 high school basketball. This isn't Big 10 or SEC football where coaches are numerous in quality. Until the program quits generating money (looked like a good crowd at the game last night), the program catches on fire via numerous failing seasons, and the coach doesn't create a legal situation, most schools in our area are going to sit on the hand they have been dealt. This isn't a sports franchise that is beholden to fans who pay exorbitant money on tickets, apparel, merchandise, and countless hours of investment. It is a high school basketball team. You buy a $30 sweatshirt, $100 worth of tickets each season if you go to more games than not, and you support the community that you chose to make your home in. The school has no obligation to continually seek greater success because the coach isn't ripping off regional appearances and league championships when *no* such expectations were ever seriously set by the vast majority of fans.
Day-trading is not a lucrative practice when it comes to high school athletics. It simply isn't. No one is happy that Shelby lost to River Valley, no need to lose your shirt over it.
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Post by utsherman on Jan 12, 2019 20:05:30 GMT -5
Shelby 36
Willard 19
Half
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 12, 2019 20:43:52 GMT -5
Bellevue-Ontario ppd
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Post by utsherman on Jan 12, 2019 20:58:35 GMT -5
Willard 67
Shelby 58
Final
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2019 9:14:10 GMT -5
Back to back poor finishes for Shelby. Is it conditioning? Coaching? Player subbing? This team was picked to do good things before the transfer kid came in. Is he a causing problems? Is Hoffman that important? As a future college baseball does he push this injury and just sit out for baseball? |
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Post by homewrecker on Jan 13, 2019 16:45:12 GMT -5
Back to back poor finishes for Shelby. Is it conditioning? Coaching? Player subbing? This team was picked to do good things before the transfer kid came in. Is he a causing problems? Is Hoffman that important? As a future college baseball does he push this injury and just sit out for baseball? The transfer kid is definitely not the problem, He is a great player and fit in well. The problem is coaching. Coach ran too many out of the program which caused lack of depth. Hard to replace Hoffman when you don't have any depth. Coach is reaping what has been sown !! |
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2019 17:04:05 GMT -5
Back to back poor finishes for Shelby. Is it conditioning? Coaching? Player subbing? This team was picked to do good things before the transfer kid came in. Is he a causing problems? Is Hoffman that important? As a future college baseball does he push this injury and just sit out for baseball? The transfer kid is definitely not the problem, He is a great player and fit in well. The problem is coaching. Coach ran too many out of the program which caused lack of depth. Hard to replace Hoffman when you don't have any depth. Coach is reaping what has been sown !!Name another local team that can lose a 6 foot 7 inch starter and replace him without a dip? You say the coach ran kids off but I think its you focusing more on the kids that quit than the ones who stayed. Every school has dropping numbers in each grade as they get closer to senior year. Ontario's 8th grade team has 15 players every year but I have never seen Ontario have a roster of 15 juniors and 15 seniors. Does their coach run kids off? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 14, 2019 0:16:30 GMT -5
Coaches don't "run kids off". Unless you mean they work them harder than they want to be worked.
Kids are smarter then they were a few decades ago. Kids have more interests than they did a few decades ago. Kids don't work as hard as the did a few decades ago. Kids today want instant gratification
These days kids cut themselves. They can see the talent ahead of them. They`re smart enough to know what it will take to get better than those ahead of him. They don't want to work that hard, there are other things they would rather do. Mommy tells him he should be on the varsity as a sophomore, cause sophomore Jimmy down tthe street is, so she discourages him. He cuts himself, it is easier
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Post by lozenger4 on Jan 14, 2019 10:57:00 GMT -5
Coaches don't "run kids off". Unless you mean they work them harder than they want to be worked. Kids are smarter then they were a few decades ago. Kids have more interests than they did a few decades ago. Kids don't work as hard as the did a few decades ago. Kids today want instant gratification These days kids cut themselves. They can see the talent ahead of them. They`re smart enough to know what it will take to get better than those ahead of him. They don't want to work that hard, there are other things they would rather do. Mommy tells him he should be on the varsity as a sophomore, cause sophomore Jimmy down tthe street is, so she discourages him. He cuts himself, it is easier Agree with most of this. Let's not generalize and say kids don't work as hard as they did a few years ago. Maybe some kids yes, but the best players are always going to have the same drive and work ethic. And sometimes it's a matter of options. Maybe a kid really likes another sport or activity and just plays basketball because it's something his friends do. If you're the 15th man on an 8th grade team that isn't passionate about basketball, I don't blame you for wanting to do something else. A 13th man on JV who doesn't isn't passionate about basketball shouldn't be punished for not wanting to put in a ton of work for 10 months of the year only to ride the bench all season, especially if they are on a good team with returning players. Now if they really like basketball and aren't putting that time to good use in another area of their life then yes, they shouldn't be quitting to take the easy way out. But if someone would rather be putting their time to another productive activity then I can't blame them. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 15, 2019 22:12:21 GMT -5
I seriously doubt homewrecker is talking about the 15th guy on the 8th grade team, or the 13th guy on the JV team. Why would a whiner care about them? Unless they were his kid. When someone complains about "running kids off" they must be talking about someone who he/she believes would today or next year at least be in the varsity rotation
My money is still on kids cutting themselves, because being in the rotation as a Senior isn't worth the hard work required when the coaches aren't watching. At 6:00AM before school starts. Shooting 100 free throws in the driveway after practice in the rain or snow. In the weight room. Out of season working on skills.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 15, 2019 22:36:16 GMT -5
After spending the past 5 days at The James at The Ohio State University. I learned that Griff Shaver didn't play in this game and it's not known when he'll be back. A badly sprained ankle. The 6-3 Soph from the JV team who was supposed to move up to Varsity to help with depth at the forward spot is also out with a sprained ankle that happened the same night. The day after 6-4 Senior Ethan Keller fractured a disc in practice, putting him out for the rest of the season. <iframe width="25.039999999999964" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 25.039999999999964px; height: 3.240000000000009px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_2517175" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.039999999999964" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 25.04px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1190px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_34997480" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.039999999999964" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 25.04px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 102px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_14254897" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.039999999999964" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 25.04px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1190px; top: 102px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_8594529" scrolling="no"></iframe> The only bright spot is a 6-4 Freshman guard moving up to play in the JV rotation. At the beginning of the season he wasn't up to just dressing for the JV game with three of his Freshmen teammates. He now needs a bigger challenge. His dad was a "player" in his day at Mansfield Senior. |
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Post by ohioraised on Jan 16, 2019 10:15:07 GMT -5
Jan 15, 2019 at 22:36pm Willard Fillmore said:
The only bright spot is a 6-4 Freshman guard moving up to play in the JV rotation. At the beginning of the season he wasn't up to just dressing for the JV game with three of his Freshmen teammates. He now needs a bigger challenge. His dad was a "player" in his day at Mansfield Senior.
6-4 freshman guard? Rathburn is the only freshman over 6 and he ain't no guard. Nice freshman post player though.
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Post by sweathog on Jan 16, 2019 11:49:50 GMT -5
Are we still thinking Schwemley is a good coach ? Another league loss to the team that is 0-6 in league play. Sure was a lot of votes for Shelby to with the MOAC on here, I was not one of them. A lot of you guys have not heard and seen the inside of this program from people that have. TJ Pugh needs to run from this program before he waste the next two years. They have to regret coming to Shelby. Move to Ontario or Lex before its too late You say move to Ontario, by the way where is Houle kid, is that the coach's fault he is not playing!!! Until TJ learns to play as a team, who cares if he moves. As I said elsewhere, he has talent but he cares and play for himself, not as a team. He is just like some of the kids and parents of last years class. They cannot handle discipline, because on the football program they could do what ever they wanted, no matter if it was correct or wrong!! Also the loss of one of the teams best players to injurie, I quess that don't mean anything either!! I don't know why I waste my time looking at this site, because a lot of you are Idiots!!! |
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Post by dude on Jan 16, 2019 12:36:23 GMT -5
You say move to Ontario, by the way where is Houle kid, is that the coach's fault he is not playing!!! Until TJ learns to play as a team, who cares if he moves. As I said elsewhere, he has talent but he cares and play for himself, not as a team. He is just like some of the kids and parents of last years class. They cannot handle discipline, because on the football program they could do what ever they wanted, no matter if it was correct or wrong!! Also the loss of one of the teams best players to injurie, I quess that don't mean anything either!! I don't know why I waste my time looking at this site, because a lot of you are Idiots!!! People can disagree and not be idiots. TJ may have some of those traits but he is surely not the only one and losing a 6 foot 7 inch senior starter does hurt the team. Sometimes the coach's kid tries to do it alone. I have seen the girl's coach's son make selfish choices also and have a poor attitude when he doesn't get the ball or gets taken out. So this is not being caused by one kid. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 16, 2019 15:53:54 GMT -5
Jan 15, 2019 at 22:36pm Willard Fillmore said: The only bright spot is a 6-4 Freshman guard moving up to play in the JV rotation. At the beginning of the season he wasn't up to just dressing for the JV game with three of his Freshmen teammates. He now needs a bigger challenge. His dad was a "player" in his day at Mansfield Senior. 6-4 freshman guard? Rathburn is the only freshman over 6 and he ain't no guard. Nice freshman post player though. Ain't no?? The only Freshman over 6??  Once again you show how little you know about Ontario basketball. There is in fact another freshman "over 6", look it up. He's growing like a weed and has improved more than any kid in the high school since the beginning of the season. He "brings it up" as much as anyone on the Freshman team that's between 5-5 and 5-10. The best part of his game at this point is his ball handling and passing. |
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Post by sweathog on Jan 17, 2019 13:13:22 GMT -5
You say move to Ontario, by the way where is Houle kid, is that the coach's fault he is not playing!!! Until TJ learns to play as a team, who cares if he moves. As I said elsewhere, he has talent but he cares and play for himself, not as a team. He is just like some of the kids and parents of last years class. They cannot handle discipline, because on the football program they could do what ever they wanted, no matter if it was correct or wrong!! Also the loss of one of the teams best players to injurie, I quess that don't mean anything either!! I don't know why I waste my time looking at this site, because a lot of you are Idiots!!! People can disagree and not be idiots. TJ may have some of those traits but he is surely not the only one and losing a 6 foot 7 inch senior starter does hurt the team. Sometimes the coach's kid tries to do it alone. I have seen the girl's coach's son make selfish choices also and have a poor attitude when he doesn't get the ball or gets taken out. So this is not being caused by one kid. Don't give me the political correctness crap!!! If I want to call someone an idiot, I will and if you don't like it, too bad!!! Kids are told what to run, do they do what they told, NO. They come home and parents and grandparents keep telling them shot the ball, don't do what coach tells you. I will not argue coach's kid tries to do to much at time or on girls coach's son being selfish also at times. But when you don't play defense, don't box out and don't play as a team, your going to have a tuff time. I don't know how coach's do it today with all the IDIOT parents around!!!! OH MY I SAID IT AGAIN!!! But TJ is the most selfish player I have seen in years and he is the biggest problem on the team, Also he could be a very good player, but a lot of thing will have to change and the most important is do what the coach's tell you and not what parents are telling you!!! |
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Post by dude on Jan 17, 2019 13:31:19 GMT -5
People can disagree and not be idiots. TJ may have some of those traits but he is surely not the only one and losing a 6 foot 7 inch senior starter does hurt the team. Sometimes the coach's kid tries to do it alone. I have seen the girl's coach's son make selfish choices also and have a poor attitude when he doesn't get the ball or gets taken out. So this is not being caused by one kid. Don't give me the political correctness crap!!! If I want to call someone an idiot, I will and if you don't like it, too bad!!! Kids are told what to run, do they do what they told, NO. They come home and parents and grandparents keep telling them shot the ball, don't do what coach tells you. I will not argue coach's kid tries to do to much at time or on girls coach's son being selfish also at times. But when you don't play defense, don't box out and don't play as a team, your going to have a tuff time. I don't know how coach's do it today with all the IDIOT parents around!!!! OH MY I SAID IT AGAIN!!! But TJ is the most selfish player I have seen in years and he is the biggest problem on the team, Also he could be a very good player, but a lot of thing will have to change and the most important is do what the coach's tell you and not what parents are telling you!!! You can call people what ever like but that does not make anyone an idiot because you say so. If you don't like it, take off. I am not offended at all. Your opinion is that the issue is one kid but you admit that they are not playing like a team. What if the 2 coaches kids are being told at home the same thing the other kids are being told. There is no could be about it, he is a very good player not and that may be part of your problem in that he moves in and goes straight into the starting lineup so you just don't like him. If he was actually as bad as you are saying why would your coach put him on the floor? |
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Post by ohioraised on Jan 17, 2019 17:06:01 GMT -5
Jan 15, 2019 at 22:36pm Willard Fillmore said: The only bright spot is a 6-4 Freshman guard moving up to play in the JV rotation. At the beginning of the season he wasn't up to just dressing for the JV game with three of his Freshmen teammates. He now needs a bigger challenge. His dad was a "player" in his day at Mansfield Senior. 6-4 freshman guard? Rathburn is the only freshman over 6 and he ain't no guard. Nice freshman post player though. Ain't no?? The only Freshman over 6?? Once again you show how little you know about Ontario basketball. There is in fact another freshman "over 6", look it up. He's growing like a weed and has improved more than any kid in the high school since the beginning of the season. He "brings it up" as much as anyone on the Freshman team that's between 5-5 and 5-10. The best part of his game at this point is his ball handling and passing. My program has a freshman listed at 6 and everyone else besides Rathburn is under 6. Are you saying the Ontario coaches lied on their rosters. |
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