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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 20:35:44 GMT -5
Just curious. They have team titles
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Post by Green Falcon on Jan 14, 2019 22:37:33 GMT -5
Because it is individually based first and team second. (Although doesn't really fit now with team duals). The same goes for Track/Field, Swimming/Diving and Cross Country. Competitive Balance only applies to sports that are 100% team based. Specifically the sports with a ball.
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Post by Green Falcon on Jan 14, 2019 22:38:21 GMT -5
Although I do agree that if it's done for one it should be done for all
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 7:23:51 GMT -5
Yet all those sports have team titles and some have team events (relays). Thanks for the input. OHSAA dropped the ball in this one
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Post by clydesbcfan on Jan 15, 2019 7:45:12 GMT -5
I have a feeling its coming.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jan 15, 2019 13:23:10 GMT -5
At least for state duals they should have it in wrestling. That is 100 percent team!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 15, 2019 23:11:49 GMT -5
St. Paris Graham doesn't want to be in DI.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 7:31:03 GMT -5
St. Paris Graham doesn't want to be in DI. Fake news. They wrestled in the D1 duals last year because they asked to be D1 for them |
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Post by Buckeye2b on Jan 16, 2019 7:44:11 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 16, 2019 15:29:42 GMT -5
What Division did they wrestle in when your wrestlers have to wrestle against the best wrestlers in their weight class in the entire state in a Division. I've never followed the best depth tournament.
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Post by dude on Jan 16, 2019 15:38:10 GMT -5
Just curious. They have team titles Wrestling is an individual sport. Football has to have 11 players. Basketball has to have 5 players, Baseball has to have 9 players. You can wrestle for your school all by yourself, just like cross country, track, tennis and swimming. The CB only deals with team sports. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 15:44:20 GMT -5
Just curious. They have team titles Wrestling is an individual sport. Football has to have 11 players. Basketball has to have 5 players, Baseball has to have 9 players. You can wrestle for your school all by yourself, just like cross country, track, tennis and swimming. The CB only deals with team sports. You need 5 players for basketball? Are you going to tell me that the sky is blue? If it’s not a team sport then they shouldn’t have team titles |
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Post by areafan1 on Jan 16, 2019 19:56:36 GMT -5
A team like Genoa would move up to D2 for sure with all their move ins. 6 I think.
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Post by dude on Jan 16, 2019 21:14:27 GMT -5
Wrestling is an individual sport. Football has to have 11 players. Basketball has to have 5 players, Baseball has to have 9 players. You can wrestle for your school all by yourself, just like cross country, track, tennis and swimming. The CB only deals with team sports. You need 5 players for basketball? Are you going to tell me that the sky is blue? If it’s not a team sport then they shouldn’t have team titles The point was you do not need a team to compete as a wrestler. in the team sports you do. Cross country also has team titles but an individual can run by themselves. As can a wrestler. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 22:29:37 GMT -5
You need 5 players for basketball? Are you going to tell me that the sky is blue? If it’s not a team sport then they shouldn’t have team titles The point was you do not need a team to compete as a wrestler. in the team sports you do. Cross country also has team titles but an individual can run by themselves. As can a wrestler. no school is going to field a sport with only a few kids |
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Post by dude on Jan 16, 2019 23:17:36 GMT -5
The point was you do not need a team to compete as a wrestler. in the team sports you do. Cross country also has team titles but an individual can run by themselves. As can a wrestler. no school is going to field a sport with only a few kids Yes they do. Mansfield in years past has had less than 5 kids running cross country. Lexington in the last couple years has not had enough wrestler to compete in every weight class. Another Mansfield area school in the past has had less than 7 kids run track consistently and one year they had 1 runner but he ran his events. They are individual sports and do not require a team to compete. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 17, 2019 1:32:25 GMT -5
Then why does the OHSAA waste all that money for all of those District, Regional and State TEAM Championship trophies, in FOURTEEN sports that they don't consider TEAM sports?
I bet Lexington considers Cross Country a team sport.
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Post by dude on Jan 17, 2019 7:59:44 GMT -5
The point was you do not need a team to compete as a wrestler. in the team sports you do. Cross country also has team titles but an individual can run by themselves. As can a wrestler. no school is going to field a sport with only a few kids A question that may help you is how many athletes does it take for a school or team to be represented at the State event for Wrestling, Bowling, Swimming, Cross Country, Tennis, Track, Golf, Basketball, Football, Baseball or Soccer. |
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Post by Green Falcon on Jan 17, 2019 8:29:59 GMT -5
[/quote]A question that may help you is how many athletes does it take for a school or team to be represented at the State event for Wrestling, Bowling, Swimming, Cross Country, Tennis, Track, Golf, Basketball, Football, Baseball or Soccer.[/quote]
This definitely true for Track/Field where one athlete can win a team title. Like Lincoln Cobb in Pettisville. Or Chad Zallow and one teammate did when they won a team title for JFK
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Post by areafan1 on Jan 17, 2019 10:30:13 GMT -5
Not surprising Edison and Genoa both would be D@ if CB.
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Post by Green Falcon on Jan 18, 2019 8:11:29 GMT -5
Do exchange students factor into CB? I don't think they do but I could be mistaken
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Post by footballfan99 on Jan 19, 2019 10:25:16 GMT -5
IMO, if there are team scores kept at competitions (which is literally every sport) then they should all follow the same CB rules. If there are team trophies handed out at the state tournament, it should be considered a team sport. Wrestling is the only sport where you can have 2 different State Championship teams from the same division (State Duals as well as State Tournament).
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jan 19, 2019 11:07:11 GMT -5
IMO, if there are team scores kept at competitions (which is literally every sport) then they should all follow the same CB rules. If there are team trophies handed out at the state tournament, it should be considered a team sport. Wrestling is the only sport where you can have 2 different State Championship teams from the same division (State Duals as well as State Tournament). My understanding is that ohsaa was suppose to set it up like Michigan. Team title for dual tournament only. While the individual tournament was just gonna have individual placers only with out a team score kept. Being allowed to have 14 wrestler compete no matter what weight class. Possibility of having multiple guys in a weight class like mhsaa Michigan does now. But some wanted to keep the team score for that as well so we have what we have today. |
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jan 19, 2019 11:11:44 GMT -5
I think CB should be used in duals with the divisions and just make one individual state tournament for the whole state of Ohio. Recognize your dual team state champs and have your one individual state champ per weight class. But nobody listens to me!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 11:28:36 GMT -5
I think CB should be used in duals with the divisions and just make one individual state tournament for the whole state of Ohio. Recognize your dual team state champs and have your one individual state champ per weight class. But nobody listens to me! That would be a lot of kids, maybe split it up in 2 divisions. I like the thought though |
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jan 19, 2019 13:17:20 GMT -5
~"That would be a lot of kids, maybe split it up in 2 divisions. I like the thought though"
••• It would be, I know Indiana, New Jersey and California does it. While California has just under a thousand high schools competing. Just have another weekend of tournaments, say regionals before state. Then have 32 kids at state instead of 16. With 3 divisions you have 48 kids in a weight class. All that said I truly believe wrestling isn't really on the radar. CB was done in the 1st place because of football. It was the result of public schools wanting different division from private. Then the new tranfer rule came about for basketball. I really don't think wrestling has enough clout to bring that change. We shall see......
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Post by areafan1 on Jan 19, 2019 16:38:14 GMT -5
Do exchange students factor into CB? I don't think they do but I could be mistaken Yes they do if their on the team. |
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