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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 21:56:25 GMT -5
I am really disappointed at some of the area coaches in the selection process. It is ridiculous that Esposito from Sandusky got 2nd team when she is 3rd in the lake division in scoring and top 5 in several other categories. Also, Miller from Sandusky is the only girl to average a double double in the league and she gets honorable mention. You have a couple of coaches who hold grudges and the Perkins head coach is the obvious one. I just hate to see all the time that these young girls put in to improve and DESERVE recognition but you have adults/coaches that act like 3rd graders. There are girls who have numbers well below esposito and miller that made first team or second team. I realize statistics are not everything but when it comes to determining all league selections, numbers don't lie and should count for 80 percent of a decision being made.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 28, 2019 22:14:06 GMT -5
Who would you have bumped from the first team for Esposito?
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Post by loneranger on Mar 1, 2019 0:11:09 GMT -5
Just to correct you Esposito was fifth leading scorer behind Santoro Sisters Howard and Woods all of which were first team along with Payton Vogel. You are talking about five kids on winning teams and programs. It doesn’t help that your program was 9-14. You can’t exoect a kid to make first team when you can’t even play 500 ball. Esposito and Miller good players but definitely not better than five honored for first team.
I would have to argue that everybody has improved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 7:54:45 GMT -5
Who would you have bumped from the first team for Esposito? vogel, Bellevue would have won just as many games without her. Sandusky wouldn't have won 4 games without Esposito. I think value to the team should play a role in the selection process. Look at Perkins when Howard went down, terrible performance but yet they had two other all league selections that were still playing. The value should play a major role in the decision making process. You take Woods, oldest Santoro, Howard, and Esposito off their respective teams, changes the dynamics completely.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 7:55:39 GMT -5
Who would you have bumped from the first team for Esposito? You can not sit there and tell me that Winston from Perkins should have been 2nd team over Miller from Sandusky.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 8:07:10 GMT -5
Just to correct you Esposito was fifth leading scorer behind Santoro Sisters Howard and Woods all of which were first team along with Payton Vogel. You are talking about five kids on winning teams and programs. It doesn’t help that your program was 9-14. You can’t exoect a kid to make first team when you can’t even play 500 ball. Esposito and Miller good players but definitely not better than five honored for first team. I would have to argue that everybody has improved. Double check your stats, Esposito was slightly higher than the youngest Santoro.
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Post by loneranger on Mar 1, 2019 9:21:22 GMT -5
You better check your stats I am looking at the final SBC stats: Santoro 482/21.9 Howard 379/17.2 Santoro 375/17.0 Woods 340/17.0 Esposito 355/16.9
Obviously you are not reading final stats. Stats don’t determine who the best players in the league are. Vogel would have been any other teams leading scorer if she didn’t play for Bellevue. She is one of the best all around players in the league. If you are saying she isn’t a first team player you are crazy.
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Post by Homer78 on Mar 1, 2019 9:37:46 GMT -5
Who would you have bumped from the first team for Esposito? vogel, Bellevue would have won just as many games without her. Sandusky wouldn't have won 4 games without Esposito. I think value to the team should play a role in the selection process. Look at Perkins when Howard went down, terrible performance but yet they had two other all league selections that were still playing. The value should play a major role in the decision making process. You take Woods, oldest Santoro, Howard, and Esposito off their respective teams, changes the dynamics completely. Theory behind this argument is flawed. Yes, you take away Esposito from Sandusky and they might not get those four extra wins against other below average teams but if you take away Vogel from Bellevue they might not get wins against other top ranked opponents/tournament teams. With your theory here you are hurting better players that play for better teams. Not to mention the fact that girls from Bellevue and Perkins probably did not play nearly as many minutes as the girls you are mentioning played, simply because they played for a good team. I think the five girls that were listed on first team were the right selections. The only other girl that could have made an argument for first team is Siegel from Perkins.
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Post by ronnieb on Mar 1, 2019 18:51:34 GMT -5
Correction. Sandusky was not 9-15, they were 2-8. Usually conference selections is based on conference play. And isn't Winston a senior and Miller a Sophomore? And didn't Perkins beat Sandusky 3 times this year? And haven't they beaten them 6 times in the last 2 years? From what I've seen, Miller is an improving player who is becoming a dominant rebounder. But if she shot the same percentage from the field as Winston, she'd average 19 a game and only 7 rebounds a game, not 11 and 11
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Post by ronnieb on Mar 1, 2019 18:56:39 GMT -5
And how do you know Coach Heck "is the obvious one" who holds grudges?
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Post by kingmartinez on Mar 1, 2019 22:05:19 GMT -5
C’mon coach Koonce. You do know Payton Vogel is a 1,000 point scorer, right? And her defense is what really makes her a first teamer. Broke Bellevue’s all-time steals record in first couple games of season. Don’t let your bias and emotion get in the way of logic.
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Post by ronnieb on Mar 1, 2019 22:44:10 GMT -5
So, streaknation, since you enjoy bashing high school girls, (talk about acting like 3rd graders), I went back and looked at the box scores from Sandusky's games vs Bellevue and Perkins this year, since stats is all that matters to you.
Perkins 52, Sandusky 19. (Winston 10 points, Miller 2 points). Perkins 55, Sandusky 50 (Winston 17 points, Miller 13 points). Perkins 72, Sandusky 49 (Winston 16 points, Miller 17 points).
Bellevue 73, Sandusky 28 (Vogel 6 points, Esposito 12 points). Bellevue 63, Sandusky 33 (Vogel 11 points, Esposito 8 points). Looks like coaches value an average win of 37.5 points than 10 ppg
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 18:12:06 GMT -5
22 games played in a season. Miller and Winston stats are not even close to each other. I am not bashing any high school girls, just expressing my opinion which is allowed. I think the overall value to a team is important is why I think Esposito is a first teamer. I think Vogel is a phenomenal player and solid arguement is made. However, no one can convince me that Winston should be 2 team over miller. This is a solid case of senior over sophomore because she is a senior.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 18:16:20 GMT -5
And how do you know Coach Heck "is the obvious one" who holds grudges? Read the newspaper with his quotes and talk to the community or people who know him. It’s simple. Also my original post talked about overall value.
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