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Post by crimson5 on Mar 19, 2019 22:25:52 GMT -5
Why would Willard be playing Freshmen on varsity this year with the the starting five they had and the great Sophomore class this year that everyone has been talking about since they were in the 7th grade? because the Freshman is better..why else? The freshman rarely/never played 4qtrs of JV. In fact, he played 1/2 qtrs of JV for the 1st 10 games of the season. It wasn't until the 15th game of the season that he started playing 2/3 qtrs of JV.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 19, 2019 22:37:04 GMT -5
They way it sounded was that he played JV and a few minutes of unimportant varsity minutes. Now you're saying he was in the varsity rotation. The only way he could have gotten more minutes is if he was a varsity starter. Not to be mean, but again you're out of touch with the written word. Well Fillmore, you are kinda right. IMHO, he was misused most of the season. The lone freshman on the varsity roster saw fewer minutes on the court than anyone on the freshman team, JV team, and Varsity team. He averaged, for the first 15 games of the year, 0 minutes Freshman court time, 12 minutes JV court time, and 11 minutes Varsity court time. Mind you, you're allowed 5 qtrs (approx 38 min per night) of court time.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 20, 2019 1:21:44 GMT -5
They way it sounded was that he played JV and a few minutes of unimportant varsity minutes. Now you're saying he was in the varsity rotation. The only way he could have gotten more minutes is if he was a varsity starter. Not to be mean, but again you're out of touch with the written word. [/qu. definetly could of brought a long trey and Micah much better than he did. Hey you never answered me the question of if the coaches told the kids at halftime that they won't make them all night.
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Post by dude on Mar 20, 2019 6:43:08 GMT -5
Well Fillmore, you are kinda right. IMHO, he was misused most of the season. The lone freshman on the varsity roster saw fewer minutes on the court than anyone on the freshman team, JV team, and Varsity team. He averaged, for the first 15 games of the year, 0 minutes Freshman court time, 12 minutes JV court time, and 11 minutes Varsity court time. Mind you, you're allowed 5 qtrs (approx 38 min per night) of court time. Playing 22 minutes a night above the freshman level is darn good.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 20, 2019 6:55:42 GMT -5
Freshman on Varsity is tricky business, especially if not starting. Let's be honest, it was an unknown with Trey. What happened was not ideal---but it's over and done with. I wouldn't worry too much about it C5. Next year Trey starts from day 1 hopefully. I assume he'll keep working his tail off this spring and work on his game and he'll have 3 good years as a starter.
We had a taste of success this past year. We enjoyed it and it got WHS back to where we "used to be". A lot of pieces are in place for a great season in 19-20'. I like what I'm hearing regarding the possibility of Ethan Slone returning. I hope that happens, it will only make our team stronger.
For Fillmore,,,you are right---our man defense needs to improve. I think, and i'm pretty sure our schedule will get beefed up to allow us to work against better competition which will help improve all aspects of our team.
A year ago we talked about going to the Regionals and we were laughed at because we hadn't been very good the previous 3-4 years, and frankly not a threat for Regionals for 13 years. Going into 2019-2020 not only are we a threat for Regionals, but even more. The improvement from 17-18 to 18-19 was significant and obviously Parrott and Triplett were a big part. I think others improved as well. We return 3 very good starters, and 5 of our top 8. Upper will be good again, not sure about the other D3 in the area. It looked to be like OG Archbold Coldwater and Stritch all graduated very heavily from their starting lineup. They'll re load I'm sure, it's what good programs do.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 20, 2019 7:21:12 GMT -5
Freshman on Varsity is tricky business, especially if not starting. Let's be honest, it was an unknown with Trey. What happened was not ideal---but it's over and done with. I wouldn't worry too much about it C5. Next year Trey starts from day 1 hopefully. I assume he'll keep working his tail off this spring and work on his game and he'll have 3 good years as a starter. We had a taste of success this past year. We enjoyed it and it got WHS back to where we "used to be". A lot of pieces are in place for a great season in 19-20'. I like what I'm hearing regarding the possibility of Ethan Slone returning. I hope that happens, it will only make our team stronger. For Fillmore,,,you are right---our man defense needs to improve. I think, and i'm pretty sure our schedule will get beefed up to allow us to work against better competition which will help improve all aspects of our team. A year ago we talked about going to the Regionals and we were laughed at because we hadn't been very good the previous 3-4 years, and frankly not a threat for Regionals for 13 years. Going into 2019-2020 not only are we a threat for Regionals, but even more. The improvement from 17-18 to 18-19 was significant and obviously Parrott and Triplett were a big part. I think others improved as well. We return 3 very good starters, and 5 of our top 8. Upper will be good again, not sure about the other D3 in the area. It looked to be like OG Archbold Coldwater and Stritch all graduated very heavily from their starting lineup. They'll re load I'm sure, it's what good programs do. It is tricky business, and it was unknown how he would respond. As you, I am looking forward to the coming years.
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Post by dude on Mar 20, 2019 7:41:05 GMT -5
A year ago we talked about going to the Regionals and we were laughed at because we hadn't been very good the previous 3-4 years, and frankly not a threat for Regionals for 13 years. Going into 2019-2020 not only are we a threat for Regionals, but even more. The improvement from 17-18 to 18-19 was significant and obviously Parrott and Triplett were a big part. I think others improved as well. We return 3 very good starters, and 5 of our top 8. Upper will be good again, not sure about the other D3 in the area. It looked to be like OG Archbold Coldwater and Stritch all graduated very heavily from their starting lineup. They'll re load I'm sure, it's what good programs do. Many would agree with you but they may say the improvement was mostly from the 2 transfers. The addition of those 2 added maybe 7 to 9 wins this regular season. Taking a a team from 10 wins to 19 and all that goes with it was the difference this season. Against many small schools Triplett was a match up problem and having Parrott on the perimeter made that match up problem even bigger.
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Post by dude on Mar 20, 2019 7:44:49 GMT -5
Freshman on Varsity is tricky business, especially if not starting. Let's be honest, it was an unknown with Trey. What happened was not ideal---but it's over and done with. I wouldn't worry too much about it C5. Next year Trey starts from day 1 hopefully. I assume he'll keep working his tail off this spring and work on his game and he'll have 3 good years as a starter. We had a taste of success this past year. We enjoyed it and it got WHS back to where we "used to be". A lot of pieces are in place for a great season in 19-20'. I like what I'm hearing regarding the possibility of Ethan Slone returning. I hope that happens, it will only make our team stronger. For Fillmore,,,you are right---our man defense needs to improve. I think, and i'm pretty sure our schedule will get beefed up to allow us to work against better competition which will help improve all aspects of our team. A year ago we talked about going to the Regionals and we were laughed at because we hadn't been very good the previous 3-4 years, and frankly not a threat for Regionals for 13 years. Going into 2019-2020 not only are we a threat for Regionals, but even more. The improvement from 17-18 to 18-19 was significant and obviously Parrott and Triplett were a big part. I think others improved as well. We return 3 very good starters, and 5 of our top 8. Upper will be good again, not sure about the other D3 in the area. It looked to be like OG Archbold Coldwater and Stritch all graduated very heavily from their starting lineup. They'll re load I'm sure, it's what good programs do. It is tricky business, and it was unknown how he would respond. As you, I am looking forward to the coming years. It's tough when you see a freshman being the 8th or 9th best player in a program. Does he sit some on varsity or does he play every minute of jv. It sounds like he played 2-3 periods on jv and would still have 2-3 periods on varsity which gave him 22 minutes a night. That's a lot of minutes playing at an advanced level. If any of those minutes were at the freshman level it may have been less productive.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 20, 2019 8:10:03 GMT -5
Freshman on Varsity is tricky business, especially if not starting. Let's be honest, it was an unknown with Trey. What happened was not ideal---but it's over and done with. I wouldn't worry too much about it C5. Next year Trey starts from day 1 hopefully. I assume he'll keep working his tail off this spring and work on his game and he'll have 3 good years as a starter. We had a taste of success this past year. We enjoyed it and it got WHS back to where we "used to be". A lot of pieces are in place for a great season in 19-20'. I like what I'm hearing regarding the possibility of Ethan Slone returning. I hope that happens, it will only make our team stronger. For Fillmore,,,you are right---our man defense needs to improve. I think, and i'm pretty sure our schedule will get beefed up to allow us to work against better competition which will help improve all aspects of our team. A year ago we talked about going to the Regionals and we were laughed at because we hadn't been very good the previous 3-4 years, and frankly not a threat for Regionals for 13 years. Going into 2019-2020 not only are we a threat for Regionals, but even more. The improvement from 17-18 to 18-19 was significant and obviously Parrott and Triplett were a big part. I think others improved as well. We return 3 very good starters, and 5 of our top 8. Upper will be good again, not sure about the other D3 in the area. It looked to be like OG Archbold Coldwater and Stritch all graduated very heavily from their starting lineup. They'll re load I'm sure, it's what good programs do. Interesting post. Wasn't it you that said we need to do some recruiting for next year? If that is true, wouldn't that possibly knock one of these deserving kids out of a spot? Can't talk out of both sides, to please all.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 20, 2019 8:40:18 GMT -5
my recruiting post was completely facetious. Once again, google the word facetious please.
It was a joke.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 20, 2019 9:23:27 GMT -5
my recruiting post was completely facetious. Once again, google the word facetious please. It was a joke. Sure it was. I googled it, and while I was at it I also googled pompous :-)
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Post by dude on Mar 20, 2019 10:06:47 GMT -5
He may have been joking but he also was wanting it to come true.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 20, 2019 15:35:06 GMT -5
IMO Balogh did it right with his 6-4 Freshman. Brought him along slowly.
He started the season coming off the bench on the Freshman team subbing for their 6-5 post player. After a few games he was in the starting lineup with the 6-5 post. Then he began doing more ball handling for the Freshman team, beating presses and leading fast breaks. A very good passer, he had to be encouraged to score more and pass less. He began taking and making some high arcing 3-pointers. At about mid-season he was moved up as a starter on the JV team. Due to not being challenged enough on the Freshman team. For the last 5-6 games of the season he become the JV PG. With the move the JV team looked better than it had all year. Joe then dressed him on the varsity team for the tournament games.
Now, bringing along a 6-4 Freshman, who has gone through a growth spurt, is a lot different than bringing along a Freshman guard.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 20, 2019 15:44:09 GMT -5
Well Fillmore, you are kinda right. IMHO, he was misused most of the season. The lone freshman on the varsity roster saw fewer minutes on the court than anyone on the freshman team, JV team, and Varsity team. He averaged, for the first 15 games of the year, 0 minutes Freshman court time, 12 minutes JV court time, and 11 minutes Varsity court time. Mind you, you're allowed 5 qtrs (approx 38 min per night) of court time. Playing 22 minutes a night above the freshman level is darn good. Unless you're a freak athlete when a Freshman. Then a starter or significant contributor on varsity is called for. A recent Lex kid and two Ontario kids come to mind.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 20, 2019 15:49:20 GMT -5
A year ago we talked about going to the Regionals and we were laughed at because we hadn't been very good the previous 3-4 years, and frankly not a threat for Regionals for 13 years. Going into 2019-2020 not only are we a threat for Regionals, but even more. The improvement from 17-18 to 18-19 was significant and obviously Parrott and Triplett were a big part. I think others improved as well. We return 3 very good starters, and 5 of our top 8. Upper will be good again, not sure about the other D3 in the area. It looked to be like OG Archbold Coldwater and Stritch all graduated very heavily from their starting lineup. They'll re load I'm sure, it's what good programs do. Many would agree with you but they may say the improvement was mostly from the 2 transfers. The addition of those 2 added maybe 7 to 9 wins this regular season. Taking a a team from 10 wins to 19 and all that goes with it was the difference this season. Against many small schools Triplett was a match up problem and having Parrott on the perimeter made that match up problem even bigger. When the two transfers starting producing it became obvious to me Willard would be playing in the District Finals. Without them, a few games over .500 hundred with a watered down schedule, but still good enough to win a Sectional Title.
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Post by ScarletFever on Mar 20, 2019 20:15:49 GMT -5
my recruiting post was completely facetious. Once again, google the word facetious please. It was a joke. Ha I hope not winning and going to regionals is fun. Recruit em all it works for catholic schools and super publics.
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Post by ScarletFever on Mar 20, 2019 20:16:19 GMT -5
He may have been joking but he also was wanting it to come true. We all do
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 20, 2019 20:25:09 GMT -5
my recruiting post was completely facetious. Once again, google the word facetious please. It was a joke. Ha I hope not winning and going to regionals is fun. Recruit em all it works for catholic schools and super publics. I've already started working the Pugh kid in AAU this past weekend. I tried last year as well. He would fit in very very nicely.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 20, 2019 21:51:17 GMT -5
Ok I've had enough of this.I'm going to get a lot of backlash for saying this but theirs people on here talking like Devon was the next Nolan Robinson or sexy rexy. Come on guys really?hell of an athlete?yes.but to say him and cooper gave us 10 more wins is ridiculous.was Devon a transfer?yes.is coop a transfer? Not in my opinion.the kid grew up here.he went somewhere else for one stinking year and came back home.so to me not a move in transfer at all.home grown fellas.so quit with the two transfers.I will say they got us shelby, vermilion ,two wins versus Carey ,and upper.could of we gotten to regionals without them?no.with a soft schedule I believe this team could of won the rest.pingston baldridge and polacheck are pretty good players.like to say congrats to coop for honorable mention all ohio. Well deserved.ok...I'm ready for the backlash
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Post by dude on Mar 20, 2019 22:00:34 GMT -5
Ok I've had enough of this.I'm going to get a lot of backlash for saying this but theirs people on here talking like Devon was the next Nolan Robinson or sexy rexy. Come on guys really?hell of an athlete?yes.but to say him and cooper gave us 10 more wins is ridiculous.was Devon a transfer?yes.is coop a transfer? Not in my opinion.the kid grew up here.he went somewhere else for one stinking year and came back home.so to me not a move in transfer at all.home grown fellas.so quit with the two transfers.I will say they got us shelby, vermilion ,two wins versus Carey ,and upper.could of we gotten to regionals without them?no.with a soft schedule I believe this team could of won the rest.pingston baldridge and polacheck are pretty good players.like to say congrats to coop for honorable mention all ohio. Well deserved.ok...I'm ready for the backlash I have no interest in backlash but I do have a question. If Willard kid, Jon Smith open enrolls to South Central his freshman and soph years but then decides to attend Willard his junior year, did he not transfer from one school to another?
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Post by xlegend on Mar 20, 2019 22:16:35 GMT -5
Ok I've had enough of this.I'm going to get a lot of backlash for saying this but theirs people on here talking like Devon was the next Nolan Robinson or sexy rexy. Come on guys really?hell of an athlete?yes.but to say him and cooper gave us 10 more wins is ridiculous.was Devon a transfer?yes.is coop a transfer? Not in my opinion.the kid grew up here.he went somewhere else for one stinking year and came back home.so to me not a move in transfer at all.home grown fellas.so quit with the two transfers.I will say they got us shelby, vermilion ,two wins versus Carey ,and upper.could of we gotten to regionals without them?no.with a soft schedule I believe this team could of won the rest.pingston baldridge and polacheck are pretty good players.like to say congrats to coop for honorable mention all ohio. Well deserved.ok...I'm ready for the backlash I have no interest in backlash but I do have a question. If Willard kid, Jon Smith open enrolls to South Central his freshman and soph years but then decides to attend Willard his junior year, did he not transfer from one school to another? in that scenario then yes.coop went away for 2 years.my bad.I do see your point but his family has always been in willard. Both sister and brother are grads of willard.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 20, 2019 22:24:29 GMT -5
I understand the optimism with Willards program however “regionals and even beyond”? Let’s take things one step at a time and walk before you run. Pretty obvious that the Norwalk district was the weakest of the 4 at BG.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 21, 2019 5:16:57 GMT -5
Ha I hope not winning and going to regionals is fun. Recruit em all it works for catholic schools and super publics. I've already started working the Pugh kid in AAU this past weekend. I tried last year as well. He would fit in very very nicely. I'd be careful doing that. That would mean your son would see a drop in number of shots next year, significant. There are not enough balls to go around with pugh and parrot kid on the same team, not a good mix in my opinion.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 21, 2019 5:23:35 GMT -5
Ok I've had enough of this.I'm going to get a lot of backlash for saying this but theirs people on here talking like Devon was the next Nolan Robinson or sexy rexy. Come on guys really?hell of an athlete?yes.but to say him and cooper gave us 10 more wins is ridiculous.was Devon a transfer?yes.is coop a transfer? Not in my opinion.the kid grew up here.he went somewhere else for one stinking year and came back home.so to me not a move in transfer at all.home grown fellas.so quit with the two transfers.I will say they got us shelby, vermilion ,two wins versus Carey ,and upper.could of we gotten to regionals without them?no.with a soft schedule I believe this team could of won the rest.pingston baldridge and polacheck are pretty good players.like to say congrats to coop for honorable mention all ohio. Well deserved.ok...I'm ready for the backlash It wasn't totally the triplet kid's offense that won them that many games, it was his defense. He will be sorely missed next year and there is no one close to his talent on that varsity team right now. He helped them win at least 5-6 games with his presence. They will win 12-13 games next year and I would consider that a decent year for the number of kids they are losing this year. There is one kid on the team that certainly could be as good or better than triplet but he needs to hit the weight room starting today. That kid has D1 or D2 potential if he could bulk up.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 21, 2019 7:33:50 GMT -5
Ok I've had enough of this.I'm going to get a lot of backlash for saying this but theirs people on here talking like Devon was the next Nolan Robinson or sexy rexy. Come on guys really?hell of an athlete?yes.but to say him and cooper gave us 10 more wins is ridiculous.was Devon a transfer?yes.is coop a transfer? Not in my opinion.the kid grew up here.he went somewhere else for one stinking year and came back home.so to me not a move in transfer at all.home grown fellas.so quit with the two transfers.I will say they got us shelby, vermilion ,two wins versus Carey ,and upper.could of we gotten to regionals without them?no.with a soft schedule I believe this team could of won the rest.pingston baldridge and polacheck are pretty good players.like to say congrats to coop for honorable mention all ohio. Well deserved.ok...I'm ready for the backlash It wasn't totally the triplet kid's offense that won them that many games, it was his defense. He will be sorely missed next year and there is no one close to his talent on that varsity team right now. He helped them win at least 5-6 games with his presence. They will win 12-13 games next year and I would consider that a decent year for the number of kids they are losing this year. There is one kid on the team that certainly could be as good or better than triplet but he needs to hit the weight room starting today. That kid has D1 or D2 potential if he could bulk up. your right about him being sorely missed. I think a heck of a lot about the kid And wish him the best at ashland. I really do.we shouldn't lose one league game next year. There's 12 wins so saying we'll only win 12 -13 games is an understatement at best.we don't have to replace Devon but the kid your talking about definitely needs to get stronger.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 21, 2019 7:45:52 GMT -5
I've already started working the Pugh kid in AAU this past weekend. I tried last year as well. He would fit in very very nicely. I'd be careful doing that. That would mean your son would see a drop in number of shots next year, significant. There are not enough balls to go around with pugh and parrot kid on the same team, not a good mix in my opinion. agree. That's the problem upper is going to have if the rumors are true.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 21, 2019 7:46:28 GMT -5
It wasn't totally the triplet kid's offense that won them that many games, it was his defense. He will be sorely missed next year and there is no one close to his talent on that varsity team right now. He helped them win at least 5-6 games with his presence. They will win 12-13 games next year and I would consider that a decent year for the number of kids they are losing this year. There is one kid on the team that certainly could be as good or better than triplet but he needs to hit the weight room starting today. That kid has D1 or D2 potential if he could bulk up. your right about him being sorely missed. I think a heck of a lot about the kid And wish him the best at ashland. I really do.we shouldn't lose one league game next year. There's 12 wins so saying we'll only win 12 -13 games is an understatement at best.we don't have to replace Devon but the kid your talking about definitely needs to get stronger. For his size he is one heck of a ball handler and can pull up from the elbow and can't be stopped, even has a good 3 point shot. If someone would get serious with this kid and his development and conditioning the sky is the limit. You will see D1 coaches from all over coming to Willard looking at him if he would add 30-40 lbs of muscle over the next 6 months and hit the weight room. If I were his parents I would hire a personal trainer for him because he has that kind of potential. They will struggle with their 5th player next year. I don't ever like to give spots to players before next season because you never know who will work their tail off in the off season to be the 4th and 5th starters next year. We can assume TB, CP and MP are 1-3. They need two more outside threats and right now, that is up in the air. They will compete with teams in this area and in our league but if we want to make a push we have the talent in the pipeline to do it, just need to be more physical, stronger and deeper on the bench.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 21, 2019 7:53:37 GMT -5
your right about him being sorely missed. I think a heck of a lot about the kid And wish him the best at ashland. I really do.we shouldn't lose one league game next year. There's 12 wins so saying we'll only win 12 -13 games is an understatement at best.we don't have to replace Devon but the kid your talking about definitely needs to get stronger. For his size he is one heck of a ball handler and can pull up from the elbow and can't be stopped, even has a good 3 point shot. If someone would get serious with this kid and his development and conditioning the sky is the limit. You will see D1 coaches from all over coming to Willard looking at him if he would add 30-40 lbs of muscle over the next 6 months and hit the weight room. If I were his parents I would hire a personal trainer for him because he has that kind of potential. They will struggle with their 5th player next year. I don't ever like to give spots to players before next season because you never know who will work their tail off in the off season to be the 4th and 5th starters next year. We can assume TB, CP and MP are 1-3. They need two more outside threats and right now, that is up in the air. They will compete with teams in this area and in our league but if we want to make a push we have the talent in the pipeline to do it, just need to be more physical, stronger and deeper on the bench. [b. Great feedback. I don't believe in handing over spots either but its pretty clear who's going to be filling them.I can speak up about the Paxton boy and say it's not going to be just handed to him that he WILL work his tail off to be the best he can be.
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Post by dude on Mar 21, 2019 7:55:19 GMT -5
your right about him being sorely missed. I think a heck of a lot about the kid And wish him the best at ashland. I really do.w e shouldn't lose one league game next year. There's 12 wins so saying we'll only win 12 -13 games is an understatement at best.we don't have to replace Devon but the kid your talking about definitely needs to get stronger. If the talks of change are correct, Willard will only have 10 division league games next year. Vermilion is moving to the Lake.
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Post by dude on Mar 21, 2019 7:58:57 GMT -5
I'd be careful doing that. That would mean your son would see a drop in number of shots next year, significant. There are not enough balls to go around with pugh and parrot kid on the same team, not a good mix in my opinion. agree. That's the problem upper is going to have if the rumors are true. The style of play that Upper's coach wants to run allows more room for dealing with the "problem" as you call it. Relentless defensive pressure, quick offensive actions, high possession totals and maximum shot attempts.
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