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Post by galion on May 15, 2019 1:59:49 GMT -5
The AD is a joke! His big hires for FB and basketball have been laughable. I heard from a player's dad that the kids are upset that an outsider got the job (The frosh coach seemed to be very well liked) and the program is dead right now. I spoke to a couple players as well and they were wanting the Frosh coach. Heard from two pretty reliable sources that Valentine is moving to CC. Both said "they are building a house in Crawford district"... Valentine player will need to toughen up to play for Sheldon! JV at best for now. Time will tell. You act like we can just hire whoever we want to. We can only hire the people who want the job enough to apply. As far as the frosh coach goes, you guys were on another thread not long ago bashing HIS previous coaching record. Make up your damn minds. Grasp the fact that this "program" hasn't won a conference title since the 1970's, yes you read that correctly the '70's. Who do you think is dying to walk through that door? Remember that Valentine only took the job because we ran off the last guy right before the season started. Granted his tenure lasted a bit longer than most, including me, figured that it would. Regardless of who we hire I'm sure we'll hear about all of the better qualified candidates for the job that we turned down to hire him. Also, before you start bashing the football coach hire educate yourself. He was not one of the original finalists for the job, but they all turned the job down for financial or other reasons so it was back to the drawing board so to speak. Quite frankly, he's done a pretty decent job.
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Post by dude on May 15, 2019 7:53:25 GMT -5
I agree with galion that the football hire was a good option from a scrambled situation. If the information is correct and the 2 listed coaches are the finalists for this job, then I do not see why the Freshman coach would not be included. He is an inside employee with experience. We all know his record but some could argue the coach with experience at Black River would not be a step up. The former Plymouth coach also has skeletons but does have a good 5 year coaching record. At a D4 school with 2 players on his roster for 4 years that had college potential that he inherited. No Coach K answer between these 3 but someone has to coach. After saying all of this I also agree with buckeyeguy, the Galion AD is a joke.
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Post by galion on May 15, 2019 10:49:50 GMT -5
I agree with galion that the football hire was a good option from a scrambled situation. If the information is correct and the 2 listed coaches are the finalists for this job, then I do not see why the Freshman coach would not be included. He is an inside employee with experience. We all know his record but some could argue the coach with experience at Black River would not be a step up. The former Plymouth coach also has skeletons but does have a good 5 year coaching record. At a D4 school with 2 players on his roster for 4 years that had college potential that he inherited. No Coach K answer between these 3 but someone has to coach. After saying all of this I also agree with buckeyeguy, the Galion AD is a joke. Would you care to elaborate on that last sentence with some facts to back it up?
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Post by dude on May 15, 2019 11:27:00 GMT -5
Any elaboration on examples and facts would have to also include the names of others, titles of others and teams that I will not include. IMO, if your school wants to improve the overall direction of its athletics, it would need to start with leadership.
Back on topic; who does galion support for the basketball job?
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Post by gt1975 on May 15, 2019 11:36:48 GMT -5
I agree with galion that the football hire was a good option from a scrambled situation. If the information is correct and the 2 listed coaches are the finalists for this job, then I do not see why the Freshman coach would not be included. He is an inside employee with experience. We all know his record but some could argue the coach with experience at Black River would not be a step up. The former Plymouth coach also has skeletons but does have a good 5 year coaching record. At a D4 school with 2 players on his roster for 4 years that had college potential that he inherited. No Coach K answer between these 3 but someone has to coach. After saying all of this I also agree with buckeyeguy, the Galion AD is a joke. I agree that if these are the finalists then the freshman coach should've been included.... What kind of skeletons are you talking about with the Plymouth coach?
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Post by gt1975 on May 15, 2019 11:38:32 GMT -5
Any elaboration on examples and facts would have to also include the names of others, titles of others and teams that I will not include. IMO, if your school wants to improve the overall direction of its athletics, it would need to start with leadership. Back on topic; who does galion support for the basketball job? I agree that the leadership needs to change... Don't waste your time arguing with galion about our AD.
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Post by kniteflyer on May 15, 2019 14:10:25 GMT -5
^ Both have horrible coaching records and the one was terminated for cause as an AD at Fredericktown. Not sure why Galion would even consider these two coaches when they had other candidates apply that were close to the program that were well respected by the kids. From what I heard, there are 4-5 kids who will not be going out this year! Valentine is supposedly building a house now in Crawford district so his kid can play there. So you can read between the lines on that one (fired or quit). No, they don't. One (Endsley) does. One (Keene) does not.Keene went 83-38 in his 5 years, but don't let the facts get in the way of your rant/spin for the freshman coach.Sounds vaguely similar to what a different step-dad is spouting about the Shelby situation. Hmmmm........maybe Shelby and Galion could just trade each other the "4-5" kids who won't be going out for basketball at their "original" school? You KNOW that this is ALWAYS bandied about but NEVER comes to fruition, don't you? Oh, maybe you don't.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 15, 2019 19:11:06 GMT -5
You do realize that even IF he is building a house in the Crawford district his kids can still open enroll back to Galion right? Thus only play the first 11 games next season.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 15, 2019 19:16:11 GMT -5
Any elaboration on examples and facts would have to also include the names of others, titles of others and teams that I will not include. This is what dude ALWAYS says when pressed for a source. Making it easy for him to pontificate that he knows more than anyone on here and more than anyone at all schools in North Central Ohio.
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Post by galion on May 15, 2019 19:58:52 GMT -5
Any elaboration on examples and facts would have to also include the names of others, titles of others and teams that I will not include. IMO, if your school wants to improve the overall direction of its athletics, it would need to start with leadership. Back on topic; who does galion support for the basketball job? Please, if you can call the man a joke on a public forum show some balls and at least back up the statement with facts(if you even have any). Otherwise, I'll just have to conclude that you're just trolling for attention like usual. To answer your question, I don't care. Just hire the best qualified applicant.
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Post by galion on May 15, 2019 20:06:55 GMT -5
Any elaboration on examples and facts would have to also include the names of others, titles of others and teams that I will not include. IMO, if your school wants to improve the overall direction of its athletics, it would need to start with leadership. Back on topic; who does galion support for the basketball job? I agree that the leadership needs to change... Don't waste your time arguing with galion about our AD. Fine change the "leadership" whatever that means. But first, tell me who you are going to replace them with. From what I can tell your main beef was Valentine and all of these great candidates we allegedly turned down at the time(which when researched at all turned out to be fiction). The job is open right now. Where are they? All 3 of the candidates brought up here just fill me with excitement for the direction of the program.
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Post by dude on May 15, 2019 20:49:58 GMT -5
Any elaboration on examples and facts would have to also include the names of others, titles of others and teams that I will not include. IMO, if your school wants to improve the overall direction of its athletics, it would need to start with leadership. Back on topic; who does galion support for the basketball job? Please, if you can call the man a joke on a public forum show some balls and at least back up the statement with facts(if you even have any). Otherwise, I'll just have to conclude that you're just trolling for attention like usual. To answer your question, I don't care. Just hire the best qualified applicant. MY balls are fine, thank you. IF you had any you could step out from under the Galion AD desk and speak with others in your league or on your schedule and hear the same. You can believe what you want and ignore what you chose. If you talk to the right people wearing Tiger colors you can even hear some of this.
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Post by galion on May 15, 2019 23:29:21 GMT -5
Please, if you can call the man a joke on a public forum show some balls and at least back up the statement with facts(if you even have any). Otherwise, I'll just have to conclude that you're just trolling for attention like usual. To answer your question, I don't care. Just hire the best qualified applicant. MY balls are fine, thank you. IF you had any you could step out from under the Galion AD desk and speak with others in your league or on your schedule and hear the same. You can believe what you want and ignore what you chose. If you talk to the right people wearing Tiger colors you can ever hear some of this. Simply give me examples and convince me then. If there are as many as you claim there are it shouldn't be that difficult. Don't make a statement like that in public and then run and hide from it. Either have the balls to back it up with facts or don't make it at all. I've had daughters involved with marching band, tennis, basketball, volleyball, and track. Even one who wrestles and lifts with the football team during the summer. I've never heard any of those coaches/directors disparage the man. Is that a big enough sample size for you? If not, who would you suggest that I talk to then?
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Post by dude on May 16, 2019 6:30:45 GMT -5
I'll make what ever statement I want and have the balls to do it. Anyone with open eyes and ears can get answers. Ask league ADs. Ask some of your own coaches for examples. Other than the sports he does or has help coach. Ask your Super. Marching band is not a sport.
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Post by galion on May 16, 2019 7:30:33 GMT -5
I'll make what ever statement I want and have the balls to do it. Anyone with open eyes and ears can get answers. Ask league ADs. Ask some of your own coaches for examples. Other than the sports he does or has help coach. Ask your Super. Marching band is not a sport. Actually marching band is considered an extra curricular activity and they have to follow the same rules and guidelines as the other sports do(ie. physicals, drug testing, etc). It also qualifies for a physical education exemption like the other sports do.
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Post by galion on May 16, 2019 7:36:00 GMT -5
I'll make what ever statement I want and have the balls to do it. Anyone with open eyes and ears can get answers. Ask league ADs. Ask some of your own coaches for examples. Other than the sports he does or has help coach. Ask your Super. Marching band is not a sport. So what exactly are you judging his performance on? Outside of our 2 basketball programs the rest of our sports are actually achieving a reasonable amount of success. We've even launched a boys and girls soccer program. If that's not what you judge an athletic program by please enlighten me as to what else I should be looking for.
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Post by dude on May 16, 2019 7:46:50 GMT -5
I'll make what ever statement I want and have the balls to do it. Anyone with open eyes and ears can get answers. Ask league ADs. Ask some of your own coaches for examples. Other than the sports he does or has help coach. Ask your Super. Marching band is not a sport. Actually marching band is considered an extra curricular activity and they have to follow the same rules and guidelines as the other sports do(ie. physicals, drug testing, etc). It also qualifies for a physical education exemption like the other sports do. So if you move how many parades do you miss?
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Post by dude on May 16, 2019 8:09:17 GMT -5
I'll make what ever statement I want and have the balls to do it. Anyone with open eyes and ears can get answers. Ask league ADs. Ask some of your own coaches for examples. Other than the sports he does or has help coach. Ask your Super. Marching band is not a sport. So what exactly are you judging his performance on? Outside of our 2 basketball programs the rest of our sports are actually achieving a reasonable amount of success. We've even launched a boys and girls soccer program. If that's not what you judge an athletic program by please enlighten me as to what else I should be looking for. You would have to step outside your bubble and define success. Is it winning records? League Titles? District Titles? Are you giving credit for the golf team success? Was he instrumental in building soccer teams? Many schools have success but can have employees who are of low value. How much of the sport's success began to develop in 2015? It is obvious you are inside and have a personal relationship, I do not, as well as the others who I have talked to. Even science teachers have opinions.
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Post by utsherman on May 16, 2019 9:07:52 GMT -5
Actually marching band is considered an extra curricular activity and they have to follow the same rules and guidelines as the other sports do(ie. physicals, drug testing, etc). It also qualifies for a physical education exemption like the other sports do. So if you move how many parades do you miss? Ah, band jokes. Thinking back to when I was in high school, our community had more respect for the 'Band of Gold' than we did for their actual football team. Those Color Guard rifles were intimidating.
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Post by galion on May 16, 2019 9:58:17 GMT -5
Actually marching band is considered an extra curricular activity and they have to follow the same rules and guidelines as the other sports do(ie. physicals, drug testing, etc). It also qualifies for a physical education exemption like the other sports do. So if you move how many parades do you miss? You’d have to ask the ohsaa since they govern band just like they do the other sports
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Post by galion on May 16, 2019 10:11:33 GMT -5
You would have to step outside your bubble and define success. Is it winning records? League Titles? District Titles? Are you giving credit for the golf team success? Was he instrumental in building soccer teams? Many schools have success but can have employees who are of low value. How much of the sport's success began to develop in 2015? It is obvious you are inside and have a personal relationship, I do not, as well as the others who I have talked to. Even science teachers have opinions. [br I asked you the question and once again you refuse to answer it. I already told you my sources. Hell anyone can have an opinion but it doesn’t mean that they know what they are talking about. Personally I judge an ad by the performance of the programs he oversees
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Post by dude on May 16, 2019 10:49:57 GMT -5
So if you move how many parades do you miss? You’d have to ask the ohsaa since they govern band just like they do the other sports Not true. Marching Band is not governed like sports. But it is easier for schools to combine athletics and activities into one department and have them managed by a single admin.
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Post by dude on May 16, 2019 10:51:23 GMT -5
So if you move how many parades do you miss? Ah, band jokes. Thinking back to when I was in high school, our community had more respect for the 'Band of Gold' than we did for their actual football team. Those Color Guard rifles were intimidating. NO jokes, only separating activities from athletics. I remember those days also.
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Post by dude on May 16, 2019 11:01:59 GMT -5
I asked you the question and once again you refuse to answer it. I already told you my sources. Hell anyone can have an opinion but it doesn’t mean that they know what they are talking about. Personally I judge an ad by the performance of the programs he oversees What in my statement makes you think it was not my opinion, which anyone can have. My sources are coaches, ADs, Admins and myself. I have not said your judgement was wrong but if you wore different shoes it may change. The performance assessment is typically a good reference. Do you give the Ashland AD credit for the Ashland Football success? Or the Clear Fork AD credit for the basketball team winning the MOAC this season? Or the Ontario AD credit for the basketball success? Some may say the only opinion that matters for Galion schools is Mr Grubbs. So ask him.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 16, 2019 15:19:41 GMT -5
So what exactly are you judging his performance on? Outside of our 2 basketball programs the rest of our sports are actually achieving a reasonable amount of success. We've even launched a boys and girls soccer program. If that's not what you judge an athletic program by please enlighten me as to what else I should be looking for. You would have to step outside your bubble and define success. Is it winning records? League Titles? District Titles? Are you giving credit for the golf team success? Was he instrumental in building soccer teams? Many schools have success but can have employees who are of low value. How much of the sport's success began to develop in 2015? It is obvious you are inside and have a personal relationship, I do not, as well as the others who I have talked to. Even science teachers have opinions. Dude claims to get his info from, dozens if not a 100 coaches, ADs, superintendents, athletes and their parents all over North Central Ohio. Yet has NEVER ONCE told us who tells him things. My question, which has been asked MANY times and never answered. How is this possible? What is your position in life that opens more doors than that of any coach, administrator or reporter in the same area? Other than a deity.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 16, 2019 15:23:43 GMT -5
So if you move how many parades do you miss? Ah, band jokes. Thinking back to when I was in high school, our community had more respect for the 'Band of Gold' than we did for their actual football team. Those Color Guard rifles were intimidating. AND those spinning the rifles and flags had to weigh in every week to "make weight", not dissimilar from what wrestlers must do.
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Post by purefan on May 16, 2019 20:33:12 GMT -5
Sheldon is a solid recruiter. Willy,Willy,Willy, you know as well as i do if you build it they will come. Come on man!! 😃
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Post by purefan on May 16, 2019 20:34:51 GMT -5
You do realize that even IF he is building a house in the Crawford district his kids can still open enroll back to Galion right? Rumor has it kid was seen walking the hall’s checking out cc recently.
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Post by buckeyeguy on May 16, 2019 20:37:31 GMT -5
What was Baughns record as football coach of Galion? Even more what were the scores for those losses?
What are his head coaches in the two biggest sports records that he hired?
The only new coach he’s hired (outside of basketball and football) is girls softball.
All the other coaches have been in place since he took over.
Last I checked Galion’s football team was winning and winning league titles prior to Baughns pick. Is it possible that good quality coaches don’t apply because they know and have heard that maybe he’s not the right guy to work for ?
How’d Baughns pick do as girls basketball coach And boys basketball coach the last few years ?
Both programs are practically dead due to the condition precious coaches have left them.
Can’t win in Galion? That’s what they said before Hawkins came in and turned around the football program in two years. Keep making excuses and the basketball programs will continue to be bottom feeders.
Galion’s had talent.
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Post by galion on May 17, 2019 6:32:00 GMT -5
I asked you the question and once again you refuse to answer it. I already told you my sources. Hell anyone can have an opinion but it doesn’t mean that they know what they are talking about. Personally I judge an ad by the performance of the programs he oversees What in my statement makes you think it was not my opinion, which anyone can have. My sources are coaches, ADs, Admins and myself. I have not said your judgement was wrong but if you wore different shoes it may change. The performance assessment is typically a good reference. Do you give the Ashland AD credit for the Ashland Football success? Or the Clear Fork AD credit for the basketball team winning the MOAC this season? Or the Ontario AD credit for the basketball success? Some may say the only opinion that matters for Galion schools is Mr Grubbs. So ask him. Again what is that he is or is not doing that you are basing your opinion on
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