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Post by wallacefan on Jun 2, 2019 8:53:26 GMT -5
Yea I'm not sure why they would move Willard up to bay division. Mostly DIV schools. Did they move a bay division school up to the Lake Division? Shelby leaving forces Willard up to the Bay.
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Post by goblue on Jun 2, 2019 8:55:16 GMT -5
Buckeye kid that is really cool they let you on the committee. Congrats on that. He was Co-Defensive Coordinator at Columbian. As far as the kid from Tiffin U,,I guess I misunderstood what he said regarding the QB Coach coming with him. His name is Jalen Slick and he played QB at Fremont Ross and he went to Tiffin Univ. I got that part wrong, my bad. I'm optimistic with the choice. I'm hoping we look back in a few years and see a real good Coach at WHS leading the team in Kade Long. It was an interesting process and I appreciated being a part of it. Kade comes from a football family and a winning tradition in Clyde. I think he'll be given time to mold the program and I too hope the numbers going out for football increase and with it the winning %. He also did a nice job in the classroom from his personal standpoint and hopefully that translates to success in the classroom with his students as well.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jun 2, 2019 10:39:34 GMT -5
Willard went to the Bay not by choice, had something to do with re alignment and a little bit of catering to Vermilion . Bellevue took one for the team and went up to the big school Division in football.
Clearly we'll struggle with the likes of Oak Harbor and Huron I suppose,,but the rest of the teams on the schedule we can compete with imo.
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Post by goblue on Jun 2, 2019 16:57:39 GMT -5
In the two years of this new SBC Bellevue has been in the lake division. They finished 2nd in 2017 and 4th in 2018. Vermilion is where they belong in the Bay. Willard is where they belong also. They have over 170 boys in the school St. Joe has 44 boys in school Danbury has 60 boys in school. It is not river division schools fault Willard only fields 25 kids to play. Willard went to the Bay not by choice, had something to do with re alignment and a little bit of catering to Vermilion . Bellevue took one for the team and went up to the big school Division in football. Clearly we'll struggle with the likes of Oak Harbor and Huron I suppose,,but the rest of the teams on the schedule we can compete with imo.
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Post by footballfan on Jun 4, 2019 6:17:45 GMT -5
So Willard is a big DV school based on the number of boys in the school! Hope the new coach can get the numbers up for kids to play football.
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Post by duckdude on Jun 4, 2019 21:18:41 GMT -5
I am hoping for the best. I have a middle school son that plays. Very few of his friends are interested. Many are smaller in stature and worried about injuries. We need to help build our athletes. Fortunately he is able to work out with the basketball team.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 5, 2019 6:29:32 GMT -5
I am hoping for the best. I have a middle school son that plays. Very few of his friends are interested. Many are smaller in stature and worried about injuries. We need to help build our athletes. Fortunately he is able to work out with the basketball team. Not interested because why? Do they play now and not interested in playing in HS? We need numbers and basketball conditioning is okay but they do not build bulk like a football player needs to compete and help stay injury free. Has the new coach started yet? Maybe it would be a good idea to talk to him and give him some input. It never hurts to inform an incoming coach on why your son's friends are saying they are not playing football. That could possibly help him educate kids and parents in MS so they are not afraid to play.
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Post by goblue on Jun 5, 2019 9:39:43 GMT -5
They are in the middle. New numbers just came out. They are at 178 boys. They are bigger than oak harbor who has 167 So Willard is a big DV school based on the number of boys in the school! Hope the new coach can get the numbers up for kids to play football.
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Post by duckdude on Jun 5, 2019 20:48:49 GMT -5
They are in the middle. New numbers just came out. They are at 178 boys. They are bigger than oak harbor who has 167 So Willard is a big DV school based on the number of boys in the school! Hope the new coach can get the numbers up for kids to play football.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 6, 2019 7:44:24 GMT -5
They are in the middle. New numbers just came out. They are at 178 boys. They are bigger than oak harbor who has 167 I'm going to say this but I will be crucified for it, soccer in Willard has crippled the football program. There are times when the administration has to look at their athletic programs and decide if the school can support multiple programs like this at one time and if there is a belief that they can, I'm all for it. I think Willard is too small of a school and the number of male athletes small enough where this was a bad decision. I have to believe the football programs numbers will continue to dwindle and that is too bad. I'm hoping this coach will inspire kids to play but that is an uphill battle because the numbers have been falling year over year and soccer is rising.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jun 6, 2019 8:24:49 GMT -5
I get the feeling Drug Mart will offer his opinion regarding Willard and Soccer, soon.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jun 6, 2019 19:07:03 GMT -5
I think the soccer program hurts the football program as much as the bowling team hurts basketball. And the swim team hurts the wrestling team by an equal amount. That being said, I think every kid deserves a chance at a sport that fits them best.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 6, 2019 21:13:06 GMT -5
I'm going to say this but I will be crucified for it, soccer in Willard has crippled the football program. There are times when the administration has to look at their athletic programs and decide if the school can support multiple programs like this at one time and if there is a belief that they can, I'm all for it. I think Willard is too small of a school and the number of male athletes small enough where this was a bad decision. I have to believe the football programs numbers will continue to dwindle and that is too bad. I'm hoping this coach will inspire kids to play but that is an uphill battle because the numbers have been falling year over year and soccer is rising. I've been watching Ontario soccer for over 25 years and NEVER seen any 250 pound linemen playing soccer. Every once in a while I've seen a kid playing soccer that could have been a significant addition to the football team. EXCEPT in almost all cases, IMO that kid would not like to HIT or be HIT, or he'd be playing football. Would you rather play in front of 50 fans on a Wednesday afternoon or 1000+ fans on a Friday night? THE biggest single improvement for a football team without soccer? There might be an additional 20 kids standing on the sideline during games.
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Post by duckdude on Jun 6, 2019 21:13:22 GMT -5
Something that does not help is the lack of recruitment of seventh graders. Not having enough to field a team causes many to not go out for eighth grade. They get worked over during the week to only play three snaps a game. If you have the size and skills thats not a problem you play. Again I hope we turn the corner but it is june and no information has been given to the MS parents for football but the basketball team is at a three day team building camp.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 7, 2019 7:30:32 GMT -5
Something that does not help is the lack of recruitment of seventh graders. Not having enough to field a team causes many to not go out for eighth grade. They get worked over during the week to only play three snaps a game. If you have the size and skills thats not a problem you play. Again I hope we turn the corner but it is june and no information has been given to the MS parents for football but the basketball team is at a three day team building camp. That may be a bigger issue than most know. I have heard many parents talk about the coaching in MS and kids start off wanting to play but don't after 7th, need a changing of the guard there IMO.
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Post by footballfan on Jun 7, 2019 17:08:10 GMT -5
In the two years of this new SBC Bellevue has been in the lake division. They finished 2nd in 2017 and 4th in 2018. Vermilion is where they belong in the Bay. Willard is where they belong also. They have over 170 boys in the school St. Joe has 44 boys in school Danbury has 60 boys in school. It is not river division schools fault Willard only fields 25 kids to play. Willard went to the Bay not by choice, had something to do with re alignment and a little bit of catering to Vermilion . Bellevue took one for the team and went up to the big school Division in football. Clearly we'll struggle with the likes of Oak Harbor and Huron I suppose,,but the rest of the teams on the schedule we can compete with imo. I'm just curious, you say vermilion (DIV) is where they should be! How many boys do they have? Willard DV
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Post by sportsvideo on Jun 7, 2019 18:44:00 GMT -5
Just a thought outside the box a second on the sbc divisional break down... it is done by enrollment but please someone post who they think the real rivalries are within their own division...
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Post by goblue on Jun 7, 2019 18:52:36 GMT -5
I can see where you're going with this vermilion has 248 which is 70 more than Willard they are the biggest school in the bay. But Willard isn't the smallest in the bay oak harbor is with 168 boys. You'd rather stay in the river and play schools you are 4 times the size. If anything oak harbor should of moved down since they are the smallest in bay. And the best thing about it is vermilion is just like Willard last year biggest in the division and can't play with the smallest in the divisions. So unlike a woman size doesn't matter In the two years of this new SBC Bellevue has been in the lake division. They finished 2nd in 2017 and 4th in 2018. Vermilion is where they belong in the Bay. Willard is where they belong also. They have over 170 boys in the school St. Joe has 44 boys in school Danbury has 60 boys in school. It is not river division schools fault Willard only fields 25 kids to play. I'm just curious, you say vermilion (DIV) is where they should be! How many boys do they have? Willard DV
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Post by richrod on Jun 8, 2019 10:08:52 GMT -5
Willard, 2-8. They will get beat by every Bay team next year, bank on it. Only team they might beat is vermilion
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Post by richrod on Jun 8, 2019 10:09:29 GMT -5
I can see where you're going with this vermilion has 248 which is 70 more than Willard they are the biggest school in the bay. But Willard isn't the smallest in the bay oak harbor is with 168 boys. You'd rather stay in the river and play schools you are 4 times the size. If anything oak harbor should of moved down since they are the smallest in bay. And the best thing about it is vermilion is just like Willard last year biggest in the division and can't play with the smallest in the divisions. So unlike a woman size doesn't matter I'm just curious, you say vermilion (DIV) is where they should be! How many boys do they have? Willard DV vermilion's best chance to have a winning record is to go to the river division.
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Post by redmen62 on Jun 18, 2019 9:31:37 GMT -5
Did they get a coach? If not what about Charlie Frye?
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Post by Willard Dad on Jun 18, 2019 11:01:39 GMT -5
Willard hired Kade Long who was the co-defensive coordinator at Tiffin Columbian last year. Frye is the Offensive Coordinator/QB coach at Central Michigan
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 19, 2019 8:30:35 GMT -5
Willard hired Kade Long who was the co-defensive coordinator at Tiffin Columbian last year. Frye is the Offensive Coordinator/QB coach at Central Michigan
How is the team looking this year? Haven't heard too much about things and I think they have a 7-7 coming up.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jul 5, 2019 7:12:45 GMT -5
Already heard they lost a returning lineman. Transferred to Norwalk to play for a coach that "wasn't a good fit for Willard". If they don't get rid of a few people at Willard then they will never fix it. Especially the guy I quoted above! The new school didnt keep kids from tranferring out and the football field of dreams.....well they built it but they aint coming! But Plymouth, South Central, Seneca East, Edison, Monroeville, and Norwalk have all got some athletes from Willard. I guess we are paying our debt for all the basketball players we got over the golden years 🤔
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Post by truecrimson on Jul 5, 2019 11:34:08 GMT -5
Already heard they lost a returning lineman. Transferred to Norwalk to play for a coach that "wasn't a good fit for Willard". If they don't get rid of a few people at Willard then they will never fix it. Especially the guy I quoted above! The new school didnt keep kids from tranferring out and the football field of dreams.....well they built it but they aint coming! But Plymouth, South Central, Seneca East, Edison, Monroeville, and Norwalk have all got some athletes from Willard. I guess we are paying our debt for all the basketball players we got over the golden years 🤔 I find it humorous that he posted on his FB page that he supports term limits for congress yet he has milked his term on the board for 20 years (how's that for the pot calling the kettle black). You nailed it, these people are self serving or have agendas. How in the world can we rebuilt programs when we are running these good kids/athletes off. Basketball will be in the same situation in a couple years. I even heard a person in the system say, the bad kids are the ones leaving, SMDH. I hope they can field a JV football team because if they have to start moving freshman up to varsity due to numbers, we are in trouble. I hate seeing some of these kids in these programs work their tails off and get their behinds handed to them because of retention, sickening.
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Post by oldno72 on Jul 5, 2019 13:28:57 GMT -5
I know we have beaten the open enrollment dead horse on other treads, but OHSAA has to address this excessive transfering of kids to other schools for sports. This is totally unfair to the kids who work their butts off and stay, and then have to compete against their former teammates who leave for their own personal benefit. High expectations can go out the window with the loss of a few good athletes.
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Post by Hummingbird on Jul 5, 2019 15:04:29 GMT -5
I don't get the flood of kids moving right now.
Kids flocking to Edison for wrestling, Tiffin has a entirely new starting lineup for basketball as well as holding practice all winter long and kids going to play for AAU programs. Time to bring back the 1 year sit out period now.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Jul 5, 2019 15:15:41 GMT -5
I know we have beaten the open enrollment dead horse on other treads, but OHSAA has to address this excessive transfering of kids to other schools for sports. This is totally unfair to the kids who work their butts off and stay, and then have to compete against their former teammates who leave for their own personal benefit. High expectations can go out the window with the loss of a few good athletes. The only thing OHSAA could do is bring back the 1 year rule, which I can tell you isn’t much different than sitting out the back 1/2 of a season. In football those 5 games come and go in a flash. What if the kid working his tail off is the one who transfers? For some, leaving a toxic situation is the only alternative to sitting out entirely for that sport. Football numbers all over are in the dump. I personally would rather those kids transfer than quit altogether. We moved our kids out of Perkins last year and they couldn’t be happier, I wish I would’ve done it along time ago. I don’t know what’s going on down in Willard, but sounds like a bad situation.
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Post by oldno72 on Jul 5, 2019 15:48:17 GMT -5
Heavy, you do have some valid points, but I respectfully disagree. I have been part of high school football for the past 20 years. Where I live, Licking County, years ago, there was a certain football powerhouse that drew their players from all of the schools in Licking County. The other schools harbored hard feelings for many years. It got to the point where the league they were all in broke up. The league did eventually get back together, and the football powerhouse is now not so powerful any more. But during that time when the movement of kids was going on, the Powerhouse and one or two other schools were good. The other seven stayed bad. When they would get a few good players, off the went to the powerhouse, who dominated,
Granted, that was a different time then, and “recruiting” was going on, but with the widespread transfering of students, it is no different than what happened here in Licking County a decade ago. Under the current rules, expect the good schools to stay good, and the rest to struggle, which is not good for the sport. In the past, even mediocre programs had good years when the talent was there. Now, in many cases, the talent moves. Without talent, it is hard to win. As for kids quitting, look at the rosters. Good programs have plenty of players. Not so good programs are the ones suiting up freshmen and sophomores on Friday night.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Jul 5, 2019 17:13:55 GMT -5
Heavy, you do have some valid points, but I respectfully disagree. I have been part of high school football for the past 20 years. Where I live, Licking County, years ago, there was a certain football powerhouse that drew their players from all of the schools in Licking County. The other schools harbored hard feelings for many years. It got to the point where the league they were all in broke up. The league did eventually get back together, and the football powerhouse is now not so powerful any more. But during that time when the movement of kids was going on, the Powerhouse and one or two other schools were good. The other seven stayed bad. When they would get a few good players, off the went to the powerhouse, who dominated, Granted, that was a different time then, and “recruiting” was going on, but with the widespread transfering of students, it is no different than what happened here in Licking County a decade ago. Under the current rules, expect the good schools to stay good, and the rest to struggle, which is not good for the sport. In the past, even mediocre programs had good years when the talent was there. Now, in many cases, the talent moves. Without talent, it is hard to win. As for kids quitting, look at the rosters. Good programs have plenty of players. Not so good programs are the ones suiting up freshmen and sophomores on Friday night. Can’t say I disagree with anything you said. Our situation wasn’t entirely football based, but my son was one of the better players on the team. If they would have reinstated the 1 year rule we would have still made the move. I think they could impose a 2 year probation and it would do nothing to curb the trend. Parents with kids who specialize in 1 sport will just make the move sooner, rather than playing wait and see. I think part of may be a decision based on financial needs, assuming the player has what it takes to play at the next level. Part of it may be parents pandering to spoiled kids who want to be winners at any cost, who knows. Every situation may be different, but OHSAA has no power to stop this. Determined parents will always find a way, and while it is not good for competition, I think we should get used to it.
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