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Post by fbfan on Jun 4, 2019 14:56:33 GMT -5
2019 Divisional assignments are out. Upper moves up to D4. Wynford moves up to D5. Bucyrus moves down to D6.
D4 Upper 213
D5 Wynford 169
D6 Bucyrus 149 Crawford 146 S. East 139 Carey 124
D7 Mohawk 108 B. Central 76
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Post by oldno72 on Jun 4, 2019 17:50:07 GMT -5
Per OHSAA website, Wynford and Colonel Crawford had competitive balance additions of 17 an 21, respectively. When you compare their enrollment to Bucyrus, it is apparent where those kids came from. Wynford-Bucyrus and Colonel Crawford-Bucyrus have the advantage over the other N 10 schools, since the have access to another districts athletes.
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Post by fbfan on Jun 4, 2019 18:53:28 GMT -5
Per OHSAA website, Wynford and Colonel Crawford had competitive balance additions of 17 an 21, respectively. When you compare their enrollment to Bucyrus, it is apparent where those kids came from. Wynford-Bucyrus and Colonel Crawford-Bucyrus have the advantage over the other N 10 schools, since the have access to another districts athletes. I quite sure other N10 schools have adjoining districts also, so access alone is not to blame. I'm also sure that there are more non-athletes open enrolling to Wynford and CC than not. Any other type of "advantage" I'll leave for you to explain.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 4, 2019 18:59:50 GMT -5
No other public school in all of North Central Ohio has as high a % of enrollment of CB football players. Wynford 12%, CC 18%
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Post by oldno72 on Jun 4, 2019 19:41:04 GMT -5
Per OHSAA website, Wynford and Colonel Crawford had competitive balance additions of 17 an 21, respectively. When you compare their enrollment to Bucyrus, it is apparent where those kids came from. Wynford-Bucyrus and Colonel Crawford-Bucyrus have the advantage over the other N 10 schools, since the have access to another districts athletes. I quite sure other N10 schools have adjoining districts also, so access alone is not to blame. I'm also sure that there are more non-athletes open enrolling to Wynford and CC than not. Any other type of "advantage" I'll leave for you to explain. Approximately 20 to 25 percent of the City of Bucyrus is in the Wynford and Colonel Crawford district, including all of the new housing for the past 20 years. This has given them a leg up. Open enrollment has accelerated more migration of middle class students to Wynford and Colonel Crawford, leaving Bucyrus with the poorer and more special needs students. This has helped contribute to Wynford and Colonel Crawford’s success at the expense of Bucyrus. I went to Bucyrus a long time ago, and things have changed in that community quite a bit. I am not making excuses. Back in the Stone Age when I attended, with the exception of basketball, the sports teams at Bucyrus were as good, if not better than their neighbors, especially when they competed in the rugged NOL. Today, that is not the case. But facts are facts....Wynford and Colonel Crawford have a built in advantage over the other N 10 schools.
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Post by fbfan on Jun 4, 2019 19:49:35 GMT -5
No other public school in all of North Central Ohio has as high a % of enrollment of CB football players. Wynford 12%, CC 18% From the CC website: "As of October 2019, 960 students were enrolled in the School District’s three schools (an elementary school, a middle school and a high school). Of those students, around 270 are open enrollment"With the total student population being about 28% open enrollees, the football team having 18% (using your figure) seems to be very reasonable if not a little lower than could be expected on average.
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Post by fbfan on Jun 4, 2019 20:09:22 GMT -5
I quite sure other N10 schools have adjoining districts also, so access alone is not to blame. I'm also sure that there are more non-athletes open enrolling to Wynford and CC than not. Any other type of "advantage" I'll leave for you to explain. Approximately 20 to 25 percent of the City of Bucyrus is in the Wynford and Colonel Crawford district, including all of the new housing for the past 20 years. This has given them a leg up. Open enrollment has accelerated more migration of middle class students to Wynford and Colonel Crawford, leaving Bucyrus with the poorer and more special needs students. This has helped contribute to Wynford and Colonel Crawford’s success at the expense of Bucyrus. I went to Bucyrus a long time ago, and things have changed in that community quite a bit. I am not making excuses. Back in the Stone Age when I attended, with the exception of basketball, the sports teams at Bucyrus were as good, if not better than their neighbors, especially when they competed in the rugged NOL. Today, that is not the case. But facts are facts....Wynford and Colonel Crawford have a built in advantage over the other N 10 schools. So CC and Wynford have an advantage because they can open enroll all of Bucyrus' good, middle class athletes. Interesting theory. Sounds like Bucyrus community has some work to do.
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Post by oldno72 on Jun 4, 2019 20:27:44 GMT -5
No other public school in all of North Central Ohio has as high a % of enrollment of CB football players. Wynford 12%, CC 18% From the CC website: "As of October 2019, 960 students were enrolled in the School District’s three schools (an elementary school, a middle school and a high school). Of those students, around 270 are open enrollment"With the total student population being about 28% open enrollees, the football team having 18% (using your figure) seems to be very reasonable if not a little lower than could be expected on average. The state provides about $6000 per open enrolled kid in funding, but it costs about $9000 to educate a kid in the CC district. I wonder if the taxpayers in the CC district realize the are paying to educate Bucyrus and Galion’s kids?
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Post by fbfan on Jun 4, 2019 21:49:46 GMT -5
From the CC website: "As of October 2019, 960 students were enrolled in the School District’s three schools (an elementary school, a middle school and a high school). Of those students, around 270 are open enrollment"With the total student population being about 28% open enrollees, the football team having 18% (using your figure) seems to be very reasonable if not a little lower than could be expected on average. The state provides about $6000 per open enrolled kid in funding, but it costs about $9000 to educate a kid in the CC district. I wonder if the taxpayers in the CC district realize the are paying to educate Bucyrus and Galion’s kids? No, they don't, because they aren't. You obviously don't understand how school funding works. Open enrollment provides a net gain in funds if your buildings are under capacity without it.
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Post by mrsteel on Jun 5, 2019 5:46:10 GMT -5
The state provides about $6000 per open enrolled kid in funding, but it costs about $9000 to educate a kid in the CC district. I wonder if the taxpayers in the CC district realize the are paying to educate Bucyrus and Galion’s kids? No, they don't, because they aren't. You obviously don't understand how school funding works. Open enrollment provides a net gain in funds if your buildings are under capacity without it. It’s a ponzi scheme. He is correct the tax payers are funding the rest. When they get the cost per student, it is derived from the total population. Whether they are bused or not or any other expense. Open enrollment improves the cash flow and pays bills but subtracts from everyone. Class sizes, student teacher instruction ratios and one on one time with a student.
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Post by fbfan on Jun 5, 2019 12:28:53 GMT -5
No, they don't, because they aren't. You obviously don't understand how school funding works. Open enrollment provides a net gain in funds if your buildings are under capacity without it. It’s a ponzi scheme. He is correct the tax payers are funding the rest. When they get the cost per student, it is derived from the total population. Whether they are bused or not or any other expense. Open enrollment improves the cash flow and pays bills but subtracts from everyone. Class sizes, student teacher instruction ratios and one on one time with a student. According to the ODE over 83% of Ohio school districts, including Ontario and all of the N10 schools, participate in Open Enrollment. Direct any concerns to your local BOE and they will be able to explain the situation of their district and why they participate in open enrollment to you better than I.
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Post by oldno72 on Jun 5, 2019 13:19:15 GMT -5
Currently, I live in a part of Ohio where almost no district accepts open enrollment, since the costs exceeds the benefits of educating more students. Personally, I was a fan of open enrollment when it first came about, but I have changed my mind on this since. Many times, open enrollment is done for the wrong reasons, such as sports. It is true that parents would like to send their kids to "good schools", but if that is the case, move into that district. Allowing kids to be "free agents" and go where they want to causes financial hardship to the schools that they leave by taking needed resources from them. And in many cases, it can cause financial burdens to the district that they enter if it is not properly budgeted and utilized.. As for Col Crawford, if they are accepting 270 kids, I would find it hard to believe that they are coming out ahead. (Too many additional teachers, more buses, school supplies, computers, food service, support staff, etc). But you are right, that is up to the taxpayers of the district to decide.
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Post by dude on Jun 5, 2019 13:43:16 GMT -5
It’s a ponzi scheme. He is correct the tax payers are funding the rest. When they get the cost per student, it is derived from the total population. Whether they are bused or not or any other expense. Open enrollment improves the cash flow and pays bills but subtracts from everyone. Class sizes, student teacher instruction ratios and one on one time with a student. According to the ODE over 83% of Ohio school districts, including Ontario and all of the N10 schools, participate in Open Enrollment. Direct any concerns to your local BOE and they will be able to explain the situation of their district and why they participate in open enrollment to you better than I. Every school in Ohio can tell you the average amount that they spend per pupil. Government funding doesn't cover 100% for any student. If a student open enrolls to a district they do not reside in, they will take the government funding with them but the difference in the per pupil expense is picked up by the schools the student attends. So the people living in and paying taxes in a specific school district are contributing the costs of educating the open enrolled students. In theory this would be funds that could be going to improve the opportunities of the resident students if not for open enrollment.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 5, 2019 16:01:20 GMT -5
No other public school in all of North Central Ohio has as high a % of enrollment of CB football players. Wynford 12%, CC 18% From the CC website: "As of October 2019, 960 students were enrolled in the School District’s three schools (an elementary school, a middle school and a high school). Of those students, around 270 are open enrollment"With the total student population being about 28% open enrollees, the football team having 18% (using your figure) seems to be very reasonable if not a little lower than could be expected on average. Your claim was that other schools had adjoining districts to get Open Enrolllment athletes from. CC has THE highest % of CB football players in ALL public schools between Mt.Vernon to the south, Sandusky to the North, Lima to the West and Wooster to the East. That covers a large part of Ohio.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 5, 2019 19:07:53 GMT -5
From the CC website: "As of October 2019, 960 students were enrolled in the School District’s three schools (an elementary school, a middle school and a high school). Of those students, around 270 are open enrollment"With the total student population being about 28% open enrollees, the football team having 18% (using your figure) seems to be very reasonable if not a little lower than could be expected on average. The state provides about $6000 per open enrolled kid in funding, but it costs about $9000 to educate a kid in the CC district. I wonder if the taxpayers in the CC district realize the are paying to educate Bucyrus and Galion’s kids? Ohio public schools collect an average of $14,388 per pupil. As long as new buildings aren't built or more teachers hired, what are the added expenses for schools due to OE students? 80% of a school's budget are salaries. OE students don't cause light bills or heating bills to increase. What other significant expenses are there?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 5, 2019 19:27:51 GMT -5
According to the ODE over 83% of Ohio school districts, including Ontario and all of the N10 schools, participate in Open Enrollment. Direct any concerns to your local BOE and they will be able to explain the situation of their district and why they participate in open enrollment to you better than I. Every school in Ohio can tell you the average amount that they spend per pupil. Government funding doesn't cover 100% for any student. If a student open enrolls to a district they do not reside in, they will take the government funding with them but the difference in the per pupil expense is picked up by the schools the student attends. So the people living in and paying taxes in a specific school district are contributing the costs of educating the open enrolled students. In theory this would be funds that could be going to improve the opportunities of the resident students if not for open enrollment. What "additional expenses" are there?? If "resident school districts" weren't deficient, parents wouldn't open enroll their kids elsewhere. Maybe some "resident districts" will wake up, spend money wisely, control their bad actors and do a better job of educating their students. THEN and only then will parents not want to get their kids out of bad schools. Around 200 or about 60% of Ontario's OE student's families live in Mansfield. A sizable number are minority families looking for a better situation for their kids. With that said Ontario has OE students from every district in Richland County and several outside of Richland county. It's estimated that 95% of OE students at Ontario come for the Academics and a better atmosphere to learn and succeed. Ontario offers 38 FREE college credits that are accepted at all State colleges in Ohio. Offers honors courses in all required subjects in every Middle School grade. Employs gifted counselors. And tutors for every grade level.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 5, 2019 19:46:34 GMT -5
The state provides about $6000 per open enrolled kid in funding, but it costs about $9000 to educate a kid in the CC district. I wonder if the taxpayers in the CC district realize the are paying to educate Bucyrus and Galion’s kids? No, they don't, because they aren't. You obviously don't understand how school funding works. Open enrollment provides a net gain in funds if your buildings are under capacity without it. Ontario voters turned down 3 operating levels in a row. They had no other choice, after cutting every penny possible, than to start participating in Ohio's OE program. If they stopped taking OE students they'd have to pass am 8 mill levy. I've had conversations with people who were against Open Enrollment and asked if they were willing to pay an addition $1500/year in taxes to end Open Enrollment. Not ONE individual said they'd be willing to do that.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 5, 2019 19:56:06 GMT -5
No, they don't, because they aren't. You obviously don't understand how school funding works. Open enrollment provides a net gain in funds if your buildings are under capacity without it. It’s a ponzi scheme. He is correct the tax payers are funding the rest. When they get the cost per student, it is derived from the total population. Whether they are bused or not or any other expense. Open enrollment improves the cash flow and pays bills but subtracts from everyone. Class sizes, student teacher instruction ratios and one on one time with a student. pomzi scheme = A form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to early investors with funds taken in from the newest investors. What in the heck does that have to do with Ohio's Open Enrollment Program?? Mr. Steel, are you willing to put up $1500/year to end Open Enrollment?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 5, 2019 20:03:39 GMT -5
Currently, I live in a part of Ohio where almost no district accepts open enrollment, since the costs exceeds the benefits of educating more students. Personally, I was a fan of open enrollment when it first came about, but I have changed my mind on this since. Many times, open enrollment is done for the wrong reasons, such as sports. It is true that parents would like to send their kids to "good schools", but if that is the case, move into that district. Allowing kids to be "free agents" and go where they want to causes financial hardship to the schools that they leave by taking needed resources from them. And in many cases, it can cause financial burdens to the district that they enter if it is not properly budgeted and utilized.. As for Col Crawford, if they are accepting 270 kids, I would find it hard to believe that they are coming out ahead. (Too many additional teachers, more buses, school supplies, computers, food service, support staff, etc). But you are right, that is up to the taxpayers of the district to decide. You must live in a small corner of Ohio. 92% of school districts in Ohio take part in the state's Open Enrollment Program. 83% inter-district and 9% intra-district.
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Post by mrsteel on Jun 6, 2019 22:12:12 GMT -5
It’s a ponzi scheme. He is correct the tax payers are funding the rest. When they get the cost per student, it is derived from the total population. Whether they are bused or not or any other expense. Open enrollment improves the cash flow and pays bills but subtracts from everyone. Class sizes, student teacher instruction ratios and one on one time with a student. pomzi scheme = A form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to early investors with funds taken in from the newest investors. What in the heck does that have to do with Ohio's Open Enrollment Program?? Mr. Steel, are you willing to put up $1500/year to end Open Enrollment? Fillmore it wouldn’t be close to that if we didn’t have OE. We should of allowed ourselves to get smaller and leaner like everyone else around. OE is not something to be proud of. It was thought that we could tie ourselves over til another GM or something came to town. That’s not going to happen. It’s a cash flow thing. I should of said pyramid scheme. They stay solvent because they made up cash adding the extra OE. At first a small amount. But they have to add more and more each year to stay afloat. You can not keep spending more per student than you receive. Your a smart guy , you do the math. Some day there may be a point where the need is more than those that want to come. Dive deeper in the state report cards. Ontario isn’t as rosey as they once were. They have increased class sizes more than they said they would. Our kids do not get the same amount of teacher to student time that they once did.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 7, 2019 1:38:55 GMT -5
The $1500/year is what it would have cost 5 years ago to replace OE. It would be even more today. We WERE "smaller and leaner". DID YOU KNOW THAT? It was impossible to be any more leaner than we were, all possible cuts had been made. DID YOU KNOW THAT? How in the heck were we supposed to get "smaller" before OE?? Make people move out of Ontario?? Force people to stop having children?? Not allow homes up for sale to be sold?? The voters had spoken, 3 operating levies failed and they weren't close. They DID NOT want to pay any more taxes. Not passing operating levies is nothing to be proud of. Too many people were not thinking about our kids and grand kids. OE was a last resort. UH, "almost everyone else around" ALSO has OE. BTW, comparing Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy to a "pyramid scheme" is just as silly. You don't really know how that doesn't work either. OE IS ABSOLUTELY something to be "proud of". By LAW it was conceived ONLY to give disadvantage children an opportunity for a better education. It has morphed into a reason for voters to vote down operating levies. DID YOU KNOW THAT? "They stay solvent", because Ontario was and still is one of the best school systems around. Just because you have OE doesn't mean kids will come.
EXACTLY, there will never be another GM plant. YOU must have been one who thought OE was a "tie over". Another silly thought. Actually not as much real estate taxes were collected as most thought before the GM plant closed. Since it was 50 years old, the building and most of the equipment had been depreciated to the point they had little or no value to pay taxes on. DID YOU KNOW THAT? The BIG hit was when the State legislature eliminated personal property taxes on the inventory of retail businesses, of which Ontario has A LOT of. DID YOU KNOW THAT? Tax payers in Ontario were also upset that all other schools in Richland County were getting new buildings built with matching money from the State, but they wouldn't give Ontario any. DID YOU KNOW THAT?
They do not have to "add more and more every year" to stay afloat". The money that comes with OE students increases every year. There was never an exact promise made on class size. Except the obvious, that they could not increase more that the state max. The first year of OE, there were only 80 OE students. That's less than 6 per grade. There are no more class rooms now than before OE. They are now close to being full and efficiently utilized. They aren't taking any more OE students than they've had in the past few years. There is a waiting list. DID YOU KNOW THAT? The reason Ontario isn't as "rosey"[sic] as it was, is primarily do to the new State testing standards that has made most all schools to not be as "rosey"[sic] as they used to be. The State testing is so bad now, many kids can't graduate, so they're being changed again for the third time. DID YOU KNOW THAT? Teacher to student time?? You're as old as I am. In today's electronic age computer to student time is more important. Just ask my daughter who works for the largest privately owned software company in the world. Every student at Ontario, 6th grade and higher is given a computer. Home work assignments are done on their computer. When there's snow days they still get new homework assignments. tests are given on the computer. Reading assignments are done on the computer. Students and parents can see real time what their GPA is in every subject. Teachers grade tests and homework on their computer. Some work is graded by the computer itself. Saving teachers a lot of work. DID YOU KNOW THAT? That's the way it is in college these days. ALSO, there are tutors for the students that do need "teacher to student" time. ALSO in 2nd grade they start teaching ALL kids how to type!! So they can use those computers in the 6th grade. DID YO KNOW THAT? When did you take a course to learn to type?
It sure sounds like you aren't willing to pay $1500/year to eliminate OE and I bet you were one of those voting no on the 3 operating levies that failed.
BTW, why is it that 92% of all public school districts participate in Ohio's Open Enrollment Program??
OH, one more thing. My son and his wife, who's a teacher in a Columbus suburb and their 2 children moved to Ontario this year. She says Ontario schools and how they work with their students is FAR superior to the school system she works in. Her kids are getting a better education in Ontario.
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Post by mrsteel on Jun 7, 2019 9:54:58 GMT -5
I do KNOW all of that and more Fillmore. When you get HALF of the cost per student the rest has to come from somewhere? Pull it out of your hat? YES they are adding more OE each year. They have too to keep the pyramid going. DO YOU KNOW how a pyramid works? DO YOU KNOW how they fall? The saturation point will come someday. HAVE YOU WATCHED newly hired elementary teachers leaving fast the last 5 years? HAVE YOU seen them go over the promised class sizes? HAVE YOU WATCHED the test score plummet? The prudent thing to do back then was let the student population fall, not replace retiring teachers and close half or all of the separate elementary. Yes back then we had a tough economy and no one was getting money. Since then even Mansfield has gotten new money passed and they do a horrible job managing it. It is shameful, Lex doesn’t have OE or a GM plant either. DO YOU KNOW this adm won’t ask for new money because they are afraid of failure? This adm likes OE money because it’s easy. The next one will have to clean up the mess. All is not what it seems to you.
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Post by mrsteel on Jun 7, 2019 9:59:33 GMT -5
I apologize folks, just realized this was an N10 thread.
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Post by fbfan on Jun 7, 2019 11:04:00 GMT -5
I apologize folks, just realized this was an N10 thread. No problem mrsteel. I changed the title of this thread to Open Enrollment Discussion. When someone has something to discuss about N10 football a new thread can be created. Carry on people.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 7, 2019 17:32:55 GMT -5
I do KNOW all of that and more Fillmore. When you get HALF of the cost per student the rest has to come from somewhere? Pull it out of your hat? YES they are adding more OE each year. They have too to keep the pyramid going. DO YOU KNOW how a pyramid works? DO YOU KNOW how they fall? The saturation point will come someday. HAVE YOU WATCHED newly hired elementary teachers leaving fast the last 5 years? HAVE YOU seen them go over the promised class sizes? HAVE YOU WATCHED the test score plummet? The prudent thing to do back then was let the student population fall, not replace retiring teachers and close half or all of the separate elementary. Yes back then we had a tough economy and no one was getting money. Since then even Mansfield has gotten new money passed and they do a horrible job managing it. It is shameful, Lex doesn’t have OE or a GM plant either. DO YOU KNOW this adm won’t ask for new money because they are afraid of failure? This adm likes OE money because it’s easy. The next one will have to clean up the mess. All is not what it seems to you. <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 25.539999999999964px; height: 4.840000000000003px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_97451673" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 25.54px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1198px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_83431312" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 25.54px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 182px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_65835315" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 25.54px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1198px; top: 182px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88421209" scrolling="no"></iframe> What is the additional cost due to OE studnets? No addition transportation costs. The buildings are already there. The classrooms are already there. The desks are already there. The chalk and blackboards are already there. Teachers are already there. Heat/AC and lights don't change. If anything not as much heat is needed with more warm bodies in the class room. If expenses are constant, which they are, it's a misnomer that OE students cost more money. The money they bring with them is "free" money. Convince us otherwise. It's basic math, not Calculus. THERE IS NO PYRAMID. Again, over the past few years the number of OE students has remained constant. There is not any room for additional OE students. There is now a waiting list for OE students. If teachers leave, tell me what school system did they go to, Senior High? Remember, 92% of ALL school systems have Open Enrollment. AGAIN, there was no specific number promised for class size. The State limits class sizes. If YOUR pyramid does fall, one day down the the road. It will be because the State takes more money away from Ontario schools, no more OE students can be added and ONCE AGAIN you and other voters not thinking about students will fail to pass a new operating levy. AGAIN, test scores have dropped ALL OVER THE STATE, because of the new type of tests given. ALSO, OE students that come to Ontario are behind in their academics. Due to that, many go through a transition period as far as testing, while they'er catching up. It could them take a couple of years to catch up. HOWEVER, the Ontario resident students that have been in the system have not suffered due to having OE students. My grandchildren that returned 7 years ago after a couple of years on Long Island, are all honor students, high school, middle school and elementary school. Their mother, who has a Master's Degree in Technical Writing, says Ontario schools with OE students are better than expensive neighborhood schools on Long Island. As I said before, my daughter in-law that teaches in a Columbus suburb, says Ontario schools WITH OE students are better. As a matter of fact her daughter got her first B this year after moving to Ontario. THE FIRST B in 2 generations in her family, high school and college. It is not easy to get A's in Ontario schools. As a matter of fact, my daughter in four years at Ohio U only got 2 Bs, both in Political Science. She said it was easier to get A's at Ontario high school than it was at OU. I know many parents whose kids say the exact same thing. MOST schools in Ohio with or without OE students, do not prepare their students for Freshman English and Math classes, Ontario schools do. Not a prudent thing to do, an ignorant thing to do. Explain, before OE how in the heck do you "let student population fall"?? PAY ATTENTION....before OE Ontario schools had cut every penny they could. Three operating levies had failed BIG. Ontario schools were in a financial crisis. The LAST RESORT was to begin to take part in the Ohio Open Enrollment Program, THE ONLY way to increase revenue. L Lex parents are more intelligent voters than Ontario voters, they DO pass levies. Lex does have the fastest growing manufacturing company in this part of Ohio. DDon't hate the OE students. Hate those who refused to think of the students in Ontario and voted down 3 levies. Would you have to hate yourself? AAgain, are YOU now willing to vote in favor of an operating that will increase you taxes by at least $1500/year? I I am 100% certain that Ontario schools are in a FAR better place then after 3 operating levies had failed badly.
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Post by mrsteel on Jun 7, 2019 18:06:17 GMT -5
Fillmore nobody bad mouthed or put down OE students . You as always put that out there. I have always voted yes. We campaigned hard for the levys each time. Things are drastically changed since your daughter. PM me if you want, but I’m done on this thread.
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Post by fbfan on Jun 7, 2019 19:47:20 GMT -5
If anyone wants to understand how the financial aspect of open enrollment works, as I suggested before, talk to your local BOE or an administrator. Or you could pick up a copy of a Business Theory 101 textbook (do they still publish those?) or just google it. It all has to do with revenue, fixed costs, variable costs, and incremental costs and how they interact with the bottom line of an entity. It's not that hard to understand how OE, if planned and done properly can provide a financial benefit to a district which is a reason for a district to want to improve and attract OE students. More importantly, it provides a choice to parents who want it. It can hurt a district that loses a lot of students. Those districts have more than financial problems that they need to address. OE loss is an incentive to improve also.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 7, 2019 19:48:01 GMT -5
Steel, nope some just want to get rid of them. Get rid of them and not have to pay at least an extra $1500/year in taxes. And all the vast majority of OE kids want is a chance at a better education. You didn't campaign hard enough, all three failed badly.
Nothing has changed since my daughter graduated. Was talking with a OHS teacher at a basketball game last year. I said nothing about my daughter, he offered the story that his daughter told him the same thing and she had just graduated from college. He also added that many recent OHS graduates have told him how well prepared they were for college compared to other Freshmen. MANY have to take remedial Math and English courses before they can take 101. NOT the case with OHS college Freshmen. OE students do not keep OHS graduates from excelling in college.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 7, 2019 19:54:10 GMT -5
If anyone wants to understand how the financial aspect of open enrollment works, as I suggested before, talk to your local BOE or an administrator. Or you could pick up a copy of a Business Theory 101 textbook (do they still publish those?) or just google it. It all has to do with revenue, fixed costs, variable costs, and incremental costs and how they interact with the bottom line of an entity. It's not that hard to understand how OE, if planned and done properly can provide a financial benefit to a district which is a reason for a district to want to improve and attract OE students. More importantly, it provides a choice to parents who want it. It can hurt a district that loses a lot of students. Those districts have more than financial problems that they need to address. OE loss is an incentive to improve also. THE TRUTH! You could add that it's nothing more than simple business math.
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Post by dude on Jun 8, 2019 7:29:16 GMT -5
mrsteel - I think you are correct that most only see the cash flow. What was the percentage of students on reduced lunches before OE as compared to now? How do the OE parents support your district when they cannot vote for anything pertaining to your district? With the large number of students that your district allows to open enroll, how many additional teachers, staff members and maybe even administrators is your school carrying?
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