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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 21, 2019 22:03:50 GMT -5
I'm surprised the SBC, do all it can for for every man conference, isn't going to have an 8-man division.
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Post by Green Falcon on Oct 21, 2019 22:13:27 GMT -5
So far the schools are:
Danbury - Ottawa County Holgate - Henry County Stryker - Williams county T. Christian - Lucas County
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Post by falcon87 on Oct 22, 2019 15:47:40 GMT -5
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Post by ScottT on Oct 22, 2019 18:44:43 GMT -5
Unless something has changed in the last few hours, Danbury has not made a final decision.
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 22, 2019 18:54:26 GMT -5
While not official, I feel extremely confident they've made their intentions known to the N8. Their coach/AD makes it clear IMO and it's been common knowledge they're moving to 8-man next year so there wouldn't be any reason for them not to join the league unless it's the $4,000 price tag. Which is highly unlikely.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Nov 3, 2019 13:12:18 GMT -5
Some quotes from Keith Mora from last night:
"For us, we learned that on a level playing field, we can be a pretty good football team. When we are not competing against teams of 45 or 50 guys, we give ourselves a chance."
"For us in Week 10, it was understanding that we probably were not going to find an 11-man opponent at that time of the year. Most teams are in league play in Week 10 and no one is really open for anything. For us, it was a matter of do we travel or the bridge and play St. Mary in an 8-man game which we are interested in learning more about, or do we go over to Eastern Ohio and play an 11-man game that we know nothing opponent and we will never see again. For us, it was a pretty simple decision."
"The big thing is I want to find out what it looks like on film. I want to see what our team looks like when we run an 8-man offense and defense. If there is going to be a change that takes place, it would be nice to have something on film so we can go into the off-season and have something to look it."
"I will definitely bring to them what our experience was here. I presented to them on Wednesday about all the things I believe are beneficial to 8-man and the potential downfalls of 8-man. I gave them all the information I could. I will certainly talk about this game to them."
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Post by areafan1 on Nov 3, 2019 16:29:24 GMT -5
Wouldn't think you could make any money on 8 man, no more fans that come and the travel expenses. The Price to suit up players for 100 fans in the stands doesn't equal out. 5 officials at $75 apiece eats up 8 man. In 11 man in the SBC I think Margaretta, Calvert, Gibsonburg, Lakota and Hopewell fans travel plus jv parents know their boys will play a quarter or two. Money runs everything. If you can't play 11 man you should just drop football.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 3, 2019 20:18:38 GMT -5
Then there were a lot of small schools losing money on football, before the days of school consolidations.
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Post by runawaytrain on Nov 5, 2019 14:54:32 GMT -5
Given the fact SMCC just got whacked by Danbury, are they reconsidering the 11-man game for next year? They weren't at all competitive in any 8-man game this year.
Is it time to just go after Northwood, Stritch, Ottawa Hills and maybe Woodmore? I hate to lose the three non conference games, but I also can't see it being a good thing looking for maybe five non-conference games. Or looking for a NC game in weeks 4-10. Calvert was in the TAAC for two seasons and travel sucked, but to be honest they had better competition than what the SBC River has offered so far.
SMCC and Danbury could go to 8-man.
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Post by sbc95 on Nov 5, 2019 17:33:59 GMT -5
Why don’t Danbury just drop Football.. That way if the kids want to play they can go to PC ..And that goes for St Mary’s they could go to Perkins or Sandusky Huron Margretta
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 5, 2019 19:38:00 GMT -5
UH....school districts don't want to lose tax money when kids Open Enroll to another school district.
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Post by sportsvideo on Nov 5, 2019 19:41:00 GMT -5
Wouldn't think you could make any money on 8 man, no more fans that come and the travel expenses. The Price to suit up players for 100 fans in the stands doesn't equal out. 5 officials at $75 apiece eats up 8 man. In 11 man in the SBC I think Margaretta, Calvert, Gibsonburg, Lakota and Hopewell fans travel plus jv parents know their boys will play a quarter or two. Money runs everything. If you can't play 11 man you should just drop football. don't say this too loud... in about 10 years its going to be 8 man or bust for a lot of schools.. already seeing the end of frosh football for many people..
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Post by falcon87 on Nov 5, 2019 20:19:12 GMT -5
Wouldn't think you could make any money on 8 man, no more fans that come and the travel expenses. The Price to suit up players for 100 fans in the stands doesn't equal out. 5 officials at $75 apiece eats up 8 man. In 11 man in the SBC I think Margaretta, Calvert, Gibsonburg, Lakota and Hopewell fans travel plus jv parents know their boys will play a quarter or two. Money runs everything. If you can't play 11 man you should just drop football. don't say this too loud... in about 10 years its going to be 8 man or bust for a lot of schools.. already seeing the end of frosh football for many people.. Most of the small schools haven't had freshman teams for years. At one time freshman rarely dressed for varsity games now they expect to get letters or they move on. What shouldn't be said too loudly is that it is rare that any football program makes any money after maintaining and painting game field, practice field(s), setting out markers, putting up goalposts, maintaining lights and scoreboard, over sized bleachers so big they are rarely filled even for varsity games, and equipment for athletics and practice along with hiring a trainer, ticket manager, coaches and other support staff. Ultimately athletics are for the student experience not to make money. As long as some of the items are donated and most of it last many years people look the other way for the love of the game and the school experience for cheerleaders, bands and the student body in general. Anybody who truly believes ticket sales cover the costs you are financially delusional. The bigger schools may gather enough sponsors on every inch of fence and scoreboard they might break even.
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Post by sbc95 on Nov 8, 2019 23:20:41 GMT -5
...and SMCC says they plan to get back to 11-man next year. Could be another crazy year of scheduling for the River in 2020. Would be nice if SMCC and Danbury got together, figured out their situation, and then decided to either both stay 11-man or both go to 8-man. Otherwise the other River schools could have another year of having to find replacement games at almost the last minute, but for potentially two games. Would suck if Calvert had to play the same opponent they have this week again next year. Danbury should shut football down and the boys that want to play go to PC and do so !!
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Post by redmen62 on Nov 8, 2019 23:52:39 GMT -5
Fostoria, which is a respectable 4-3 this year with three losses to teams that are a combined 19-2?! I'm not sure that's a consolation. Fostoria used to compete against Whitmer, Ross, Findlay, Warren Harding, Boardman, SJJ, St. Francis, Hoover, etc and did well. That's the past, Redmen football has changed unfortunately
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Post by crimsonblooded on Nov 11, 2019 3:50:01 GMT -5
SBC should beat every one to the punch and start the “Creek Division” for 8 man football. I think with Danbury, SMCC, and St. Joe we have a start. ......,what? This just in! Willard showing interest in the Creek Division. Looks like we got four teams Jim!
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Post by jmorgret07 on Nov 14, 2019 6:39:37 GMT -5
It sounds like Danbury voted to go to 8-man football at last night's board of education meeting.
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Post by radiodavel on Nov 14, 2019 17:38:28 GMT -5
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Post by runawaytrain on Nov 15, 2019 9:09:00 GMT -5
The league has to pressure SMCC into making a decision and quickly so they can move forward. And there has to be some repercussion attached to the decision if they play 11-man and then have to cancel games next year. They left a lot of teams in the dust this year.
To me, Danbury certainly stepped up to the plate and did the right thing.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 15, 2019 10:13:11 GMT -5
I agree - Danbury did. From what I understand the OHSAA will be approving 8-man as a sanctioned sport for 2020. I do think that will help SMCC make their decision. SJCC is also looming. Likely many others as well, especially in NW Ohio.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 15, 2019 12:41:53 GMT -5
Someone posted in the N10 forum that Buckeye Central might be looking into it too
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 15, 2019 15:11:32 GMT -5
Someone posted in the N10 forum that Buckeye Central might be looking into it too If that happens, it would create Willard's best chance to get into N10
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Post by wallacefan on Nov 15, 2019 19:15:54 GMT -5
Someone posted in the N10 forum that Buckeye Central might be looking into it too If that happens, it would create Willard's best chance to get into N10 the N10 would call Northmor first
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Post by A no.1 on Nov 17, 2019 2:04:24 GMT -5
If that happens, it would create Willard's best chance to get into N10 the N10 would call Northmor first Odds are pretty high Northmor will decline. They are in the central district and are happy with the KMAC.
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Post by wallacefan on Nov 17, 2019 8:19:40 GMT -5
the N10 would call Northmor first Odds are pretty high Northmor will decline. They are in the central district and are happy with the KMAC. They will decline it. But it is still a better fit than Crestline and Willard for the N10's needs.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 17, 2019 8:24:09 GMT -5
Odds are pretty high Northmor will decline. They are in the central district and are happy with the KMAC. They will decline it. But it is still a better fit than Crestline and Willard for the N10's needs. If that happens, it would create Willard's best chance to get into N10.
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Post by 419bossman on Nov 17, 2019 20:00:44 GMT -5
If 8 man is successful, I could see schools like Old Fort and New Reigel could have teams and the N8 can have a full schedule and also the OHSAA could set up a playoff schedule for 8 man football and it doesn't even have to be five weeks long like it is currently now. It can be three weeks long
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Post by runawaytrain on Nov 18, 2019 7:08:19 GMT -5
You have to take into consideration the high cost of starting football, whether it be 8 or 11. The equipment alone is a small fortune and that’s just the start.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Nov 20, 2019 11:35:33 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 20, 2019 16:55:24 GMT -5
Does the "Northern 8" hope to expand to more than just an 8-man football league?
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