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Post by redmen12 on Nov 6, 2019 12:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by Green Falcon on Nov 6, 2019 13:58:41 GMT -5
Well this is going to be fun
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Post by GHS 1999 on Nov 6, 2019 19:27:19 GMT -5
Probably not. The N10 is supposedly not interested in expanding at this time. I don’t blame them either. 8 is the perfect number.
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Post by oldno72 on Nov 6, 2019 19:45:27 GMT -5
Here is why I don’t it will happen. Let’s look at the money sports.
Football
You have 4 schools that are hurting with numbers when it comes to kids playing football...Crestline, Buckeye Central, Willard, and Bucyrus. I don.t any of them will lose their program, but all 4 are going to be short on numbers for the next few years. These four schools will probably struggle for a while, which will lead to,less computer points (Wynford)
Basketball
You would have 3 dominate programs...Crawford, Willard, and Upper. It would be fun to watch these three go at it. However, it will make it much more difficult for the Wynfords, Buckeye Centrals, and others to have a legitimate chance for the title.
Other sports
Both would fit in nicely for most sports. However, you would be adding a school about the size of Upper, (the largest) and one about the size of Buckeye (smallest)
I can’t see ANY of the current members wanting any of this.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Nov 6, 2019 20:10:24 GMT -5
Willard is actually about the size of Bucyrus anymore.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 7, 2019 13:56:48 GMT -5
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Post by runawaytrain on Nov 7, 2019 14:40:41 GMT -5
SBC River? I'd assume they feel as though Danbury will go the 8-man route and SMCC is on the fence? You got me.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Nov 7, 2019 18:07:42 GMT -5
Or the BVC considering they’re completing their football schedule for this year and next.
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Post by runawaytrain on Nov 8, 2019 8:35:58 GMT -5
Crestline won't ever be more in the BVC than what they were this year - a team to fill a rotation spot. I really haven't heard a thing when it comes to filling that spot on a permanent basis. I'm still surprised Elmwood doesn't try and get that spot....I just don't see Woodmore staying in the NBC much longer and that would eliminate the other small school in that league. Elmwood has a lot of natural rivals in the BVC.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 8, 2019 20:38:23 GMT -5
Crestline won't ever be more in the BVC than what they were this year - a team to fill a rotation spot. I really haven't heard a thing when it comes to filling that spot on a permanent basis. I'm still surprised Elmwood doesn't try and get that spot....I just don't see Woodmore staying in the NBC much longer and that would eliminate the other small school in that league. Elmwood has a lot of natural rivals in the BVC. Woodmore, Elmwood and Northwood will be targets for SBC River. Fill that division and safeguard against the teams that will eventually go to 8-man. NBC may be next league of the verge of fracture. Rest of schools fill SBC Bay?
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Post by Green Falcon on Nov 9, 2019 1:08:11 GMT -5
Crestline won't ever be more in the BVC than what they were this year - a team to fill a rotation spot. I really haven't heard a thing when it comes to filling that spot on a permanent basis. I'm still surprised Elmwood doesn't try and get that spot....I just don't see Woodmore staying in the NBC much longer and that would eliminate the other small school in that league. Elmwood has a lot of natural rivals in the BVC. Woodmore, Elmwood and Northwood will be targets for SBC River. Fill that division and safeguard against the teams that will eventually go to 8-man. NBC may be next league of the verge of fracture. Rest of schools fill SBC Bay? The NBC is not going to fracture. If a school leaves they have others on their doorstep trying to get in
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 9, 2019 6:46:41 GMT -5
Woodmore, Elmwood and Northwood will be targets for SBC River. Fill that division and safeguard against the teams that will eventually go to 8-man. NBC may be next league of the verge of fracture. Rest of schools fill SBC Bay? The NBC is not going to fracture. If a school leaves they have others on their doorstep trying to get in Who? Maumee?
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Post by Green Falcon on Nov 9, 2019 8:40:21 GMT -5
The NBC is not going to fracture. If a school leaves they have others on their doorstep trying to get in Who? Maumee? Maumee has always been in the discussion. If a school were to leave I'm sure Northwood and Oak Harbor would also be targets if Maumee was not
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Post by fbfan on Nov 9, 2019 9:47:29 GMT -5
I've heard pros and cons about replacing Ridgedale in the N10 for the non football sports. What I haven't heard is anyone that thinks adding a ninth football playing school is a good move. Considering their long history with the former NCC schools, perhaps Crestline can convince the schools to accept them on the same terms as Ridgedale....non football playing. As far as football goes, my advice would be for them to work with Colonel Crawford and Bucyrus to get on their Non conference schedules like Buckeye Central is. That would help with some of their travel woes. As for Willard, my advice is to disband the soccer team and get those kids into the weight room, because the N10 is not going to happen for Willard.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Nov 11, 2019 3:57:32 GMT -5
Crestline, Buckeye Central, and Bucyrus should join the new Creek division in the SBC for 8 man football. with Danbury, SMCC, St. Joe and Willard that would be 7. Three more schools and scheduling would be perfect.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Nov 11, 2019 11:53:27 GMT -5
Crestline, Buckeye Central, and Bucyrus should join the new Creek division in the SBC for 8 man football. with Danbury, SMCC, St. Joe and Willard that would be 7. Three more schools and scheduling would be perfect. A school like Willard who would have 100+ boys enrollment advantage over St.Joe and St.Mary has no business playing 8 man.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Nov 11, 2019 15:41:47 GMT -5
Crestline, Buckeye Central, and Bucyrus should join the new Creek division in the SBC for 8 man football. with Danbury, SMCC, St. Joe and Willard that would be 7. Three more schools and scheduling would be perfect. A school like Willard who would have 100+ boys enrollment advantage over St.Joe and St.Mary has no business playing 8 man. Is there a rule on enrollment for playing 8 man football? If not then I would think it would be the right direction for the program.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Nov 11, 2019 16:30:18 GMT -5
A school like Willard who would have 100+ boys enrollment advantage over St.Joe and St.Mary has no business playing 8 man. Is there a rule on enrollment for playing 8 man football? If not then I would think it would be the right direction for the program. If the OHSAA sanctions 8 man football its a sound bet that there will be an enrollment cap for participation. You really think the 30-80 boy enrollment schools who are driving 8 man ball are going to want to play a school triple their enrollment like Willard.
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Post by fbfan on Nov 11, 2019 17:27:14 GMT -5
From the 2019 football regulations on the OHSAA site:
1.8.1) High schools with enrollments of 160 males or less (obtained from October 2018 enrollments plus Competitive Balance factors) may choose to participate in eight-player football.
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Post by bigox on Nov 11, 2019 18:03:30 GMT -5
Arguments for taking both of them that I see. 1. Puts the league back at 10.... 2. Gives the league 10 football participating schools. Only one pesky non league game. 3. Adding quality competition in some sports. Not all but some. 4. Proximity to the other schools. Still not terrible drives for games. 5. Willard is shrinking and Crestline is growing so they are comparable with the other N10 school's Arguments for not taking them 1. ITS WILLARD. 2. Both schools have issues with numbers in football. That will make 3 schools on the cusp of 8 man football. Buckeye Central will be looking at 8 man next year I have heard. 3. Volleyball, basketball, softball and baseball all will not like losing nonconference games. 18 of 22 games in conference. 4. Its WILLARD.....
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Post by crimsonblooded on Nov 11, 2019 19:48:44 GMT -5
Arguments for taking both of them that I see. 1. Puts the league back at 10.... 2. Gives the league 10 football participating schools. Only one pesky non league game. 3. Adding quality competition in some sports. Not all but some. 4. Proximity to the other schools. Still not terrible drives for games. 5. Willard is shrinking and Crestline is growing so they are comparable with the other N10 school's Arguments for not taking them 1. ITS WILLARD. 2. Both schools have issues with numbers in football. That will make 3 schools on the cusp of 8 man football. Buckeye Central will be looking at 8 man next year I have heard. 3. Volleyball, basketball, softball and baseball all will not like losing nonconference games. 18 of 22 games in conference. 4. Its WILLARD..... It’s the N10, no thanks. Willard will stay in the SBC! Thanks for considering us though
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Post by dude on Nov 11, 2019 21:49:36 GMT -5
Arguments for taking both of them that I see. 1. Puts the league back at 10.... 2. Gives the league 10 football participating schools. Only one pesky non league game. 3. Adding quality competition in some sports. Not all but some. 4. Proximity to the other schools. Still not terrible drives for games. 5. Willard is shrinking and Crestline is growing so they are comparable with the other N10 school's Arguments for not taking them 1. ITS WILLARD. 2. Both schools have issues with numbers in football. That will make 3 schools on the cusp of 8 man football. Buckeye Central will be looking at 8 man next year I have heard. 3. Volleyball, basketball, softball and baseball all will not like losing nonconference games. 18 of 22 games in conference. 4. Its WILLARD..... Did you say Crestline is growing?
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Post by oldno72 on Nov 11, 2019 22:11:41 GMT -5
My educated guess, knowing nothing, on how the schools might vote
First, Crestline
BC yes- close and same size Bucyrus Yes competitive Carey No. too far to travel Mohawk Yes smaller school Seneca East No not competitive CC yes easy victory Wynford No no computer points in football Upper no. Too small
Result 4 to 4
Willard
BC no way too big Bucyrus Yes old NOL friend Carey No way too far to travel Seneca East Yes close Mohawk no travel and size CC No way Sheldon says no Wynford no Sheldon says no Upper Yes Sheldon says no
Yes 3 no 5
Result both do not get in
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Post by galion on Nov 15, 2019 21:13:05 GMT -5
Is Wynford actually graduating more kids than bucyrus now or is the whole d 5 thing completely because of the competitive balance number
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Post by Green Falcon on Nov 15, 2019 21:22:42 GMT -5
Is Wynford actually graduating more kids than bucyrus now or is the whole d 5 thing completely because of the competitive balance number their enrollments are essentially identical. The D5 of Wynford is because of their 17 Competitive Balance points
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Post by galion on Nov 16, 2019 1:00:25 GMT -5
Well in that case I hope all of those kids were huge contributors because they essentially cost them a playoff berth.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 16, 2019 16:06:30 GMT -5
from the other thread on this: The N10 met last week and officially released Ridgedale from their obligations after the 20/21 school year. They also acknowledged the interest they received from Willard and Crestline. They said "the remaining league members were comfortable with the N10 remaining at eight members for the time being but did not close the possibility of additional members joining in the future." Kind of the same answer that Willard gave the former NCC members of the N10 years ago when they invited Willard to join.
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Post by oldno72 on Nov 16, 2019 16:56:15 GMT -5
Well in that case I hope all of those kids were huge contributors because they essentially cost them a playoff berth. They are. Enrollment wise, Wynford has 6 more boys, but Bucyrus has 4 more girls. Essentially Wynford and Bucyrus trade students. Bucyrus gets about 60 to 70 kids from Wynford , but Wynford gets about 250 kids from Bucyrus. What most people do not realize, about 1/3 of the kids who live in the City of Bucyrus attend either Wynford or Colonial Crawford because they either live in those districts, or attend those districts through open enrollment. If current trends continue, and with a little growth, Bucyrus will be the smallest district in the City of Bucyrus.
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Post by usramfan on Nov 17, 2019 3:51:02 GMT -5
I wonder how many people realize that the Wynford and Colonel Crawford district boundaries extend into the Bucyrus city limits.
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Post by fbfan on Nov 17, 2019 8:36:11 GMT -5
I wonder how many people realize that the Wynford and Colonel Crawford district boundaries extend into the Bucyrus city limits. What actually happened was that Bucyrus extended their city limits into the CC and Wynford school districts over the years. When those districts were formed in the early 1960's, farmland went right up to the city limits in most cases. Every time a few houses were built, Bucyrus wanted to annex the land for the tax base. Trouble was, school district boundaries do not follow city limit changes. Bucyrus couldn't change that, and the residents didn't want it either. This went on for a few decades and no one really complained about it. Then the State of Ohio came along with Open Enrollment..........
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