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Post by heresjim on Dec 19, 2020 19:55:10 GMT -5
What do you mean I'm coming up millions short? The stat is based off of census data so... if they arn't reporting who they live with, they aren't getting counted as living with their grandchildren. You can report you live in any of your houses regardless of the one you actually live in. They are all yours. Yes, but what does that have to do with stat about grandparents living with grandchildren? It is based off the reported household members.
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Post by dude on Dec 19, 2020 20:04:13 GMT -5
You can report you live in any of your houses regardless of the one you actually live in. They are all yours. Yes, but what does that have to do with stat about grandparents living with grandchildren? It is based off the reported household members. Let's say I and my wife own a house in Ohio that I have worked all my adult life to pay for and raised my kids in. I now have retired and spend most of my time in better weather. My son and daughter in-law have started their family with 2 kids. They move into my house since it sits empty most of the year while I'm in better weather in a higher taxed state. I can claim that 6 people live the house, save thousands on taxes while I condo live where I want. Works for everyone with us on our own and the 4 of them in the house even though the records show 6. It happens more than you think. OR a child can own a home with an in-law suite where the parents can claim permanent residence for taxes benefits while living with a better view on the tax money saved.
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Post by heresjim on Dec 19, 2020 20:39:11 GMT -5
Yes, but what does that have to do with stat about grandparents living with grandchildren? It is based off the reported household members. Let's say I and my wife own a house in Ohio that I have worked all my adult life to pay for and raised my kids in. I now have retired and spend most of my time in better weather. My son and daughter in-law have started their family with 2 kids. They move into my house since it sits empty most of the year while I'm in better weather in a higher taxed state. I can claim that 6 people live the house, save thousands on taxes while I condo live where I want. Works for everyone with us on our own and the 4 of them in the house even though the records show 6. It happens more than you think. OR a child can own a home with an in-law suite where the parents can claim permanent residence for taxes benefits while living with a better view on the tax money saved. And that number is? I'm trying to find estimates of how many people have two residences (I don't know if vacation homes encompasses any second house). And I don't know anyone who has an arrangement where the people live in their parent's house while their parents live somewhere else all while also claiming the house as their permanent residence. You have to live there the majority of the year for it not to be tax fraud. I also can't find any numbers on in law suites...
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Post by dude on Dec 19, 2020 21:01:07 GMT -5
Let's say I and my wife own a house in Ohio that I have worked all my adult life to pay for and raised my kids in. I now have retired and spend most of my time in better weather. My son and daughter in-law have started their family with 2 kids. They move into my house since it sits empty most of the year while I'm in better weather in a higher taxed state. I can claim that 6 people live the house, save thousands on taxes while I condo live where I want. Works for everyone with us on our own and the 4 of them in the house even though the records show 6. It happens more than you think. OR a child can own a home with an in-law suite where the parents can claim permanent residence for taxes benefits while living with a better view on the tax money saved. And that number is? I'm trying to find estimates of how many people have two residences (I don't know if vacation homes encompasses any second house). And I don't know anyone who has an arrangement where the people live in their parent's house while their parents live somewhere else all while also claiming the house as their permanent residence. You have to live there the majority of the year for it not to be tax fraud. I also can't find any numbers on in law suites... There are no numbers on in-law suites but houses have them and people live in them and sometimes they just visit them.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 19, 2020 21:27:55 GMT -5
Yes, but what does that have to do with stat about grandparents living with grandchildren? It is based off the reported household members. Let's say I and my wife own a house in Ohio that I have worked all my adult life to pay for and raised my kids in. I now have retired and spend most of my time in better weather. My son and daughter in-law have started their family with 2 kids. They move into my house since it sits empty most of the year while I'm in better weather in a higher taxed state. I can claim that 6 people live the house, save thousands on taxes while I condo live where I want. Works for everyone with us on our own and the 4 of them in the house even though the records show 6. It happens more than you think. OR a child can own a home with an in-law suite where the parents can claim permanent residence for taxes benefits while living with a better view on the tax money saved. Almost all "better weather states" have lower taxes than Ohio. Not counting California and you couldn't pay me to go there for "better weather".
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 21, 2020 6:46:19 GMT -5
There are always kids on the bubble. They can go either way. This will tip a few in the wrong direction and you’re overly optimistic, IMO, that any effort will be made to make up what was lost. It’s not spoken about in polite company, but there is value placed on human life and they aren’t all valued the same. Actuarial firms calculate value to decide what to charge you for life insurance. Car companies use them to determine what is cheaper between issuing a recall and fixing a problem versus the cost of the lawsuits from accidents caused by the defect. I promise you they could calculate the cost to society for a certain educational loss compared to the value of a person who is any given age. There are worse things than elderly people dying. A life of poverty, drugs, government dependence and the fact that that is a perpetuating cycle. For the individual they are both bad, but for society one is clearly worse. Look, I really think we are at the point we could make a big difference with reasonable and acceptable intervention. My frustration is decisions are being made because they look good whether there is enough return on the effort. We need to take the Swiss cheese approach to this. One piece of Swiss cheese won’t stop much due to the holes, but 5-6 slices stacked with the holes misaligned will do the job. Those pieces of Swiss cheese need to provide the biggest benefit balanced with the least amount of effort. Masks are just easy. Not perfect, but easy. Wear one. Social distance, wash hands, sanitize surfaces, limit attendance at events, lower capacity at restaurants. How about also promoting things that improve people’s health. Eat right, exercise and lose weight, take vitamin D, don’t smoke. Crickets chirping on that front. I’m not sure 20 kids from two schools on a basketball court and 80 family members in a gym that holds 1000+ people are the Typhoid Mary in this situation. I would love to promote better lifestyle choices, but it is a little late for preventative care once a pandemic had begun. I'm all for finding informal ways to get behavior changed for the better. I'm all for those other precautionary measures as well, but we are talking about schooling right? Masks are a good step, but most schools don't have the resources to fully execute a plan which enforces social distancing, get janitors to do extra sanitizing, make sure all the students are wearing masks etc... I'm all ears for other ideas though. Wish we could have someone provide us numbers on 5 months of educational value vs a certain thousand amounts of lives too. Do you have any sources about the damage of going 5 months with remote learning? That might help frame where to go next. Studies have shown the two most successful times for promoting smoking cessation is when the patient is in the hospital with chest pain and when showing a women her baby on ultrasound. Why aren’t we using this very real threat to motivate people to healthy choices. Strike while the iron is hot. You don’t have confidence in their ability to sanitize the building, but you think they’ll do an adequate job catching them up from five months of remote learning (and with last spring it’s going to be more than five months). Someone could do that calculation and someone should be doing it. We should be making best guess calculations for risk/reward on every COVID intervention instead of just doing what feels good at the moment or looks good politically.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 21, 2020 7:24:13 GMT -5
We are embarking on a full blown assault on this deadly virus. The vaccine has been administered to medical personnel and first responders here in Florida. Nursing home residents are being vaccinated during the 2nd stage of our attack. Florida Governor DeSantis announced a goal of having everyone in Florida vaccinated by sometime in February. very ambitious goals and I hope he proves correct.
In order for this to be totally effective, it needs near total participation. I'm guessing there will be a large segment that will elect to opt out, for a million different reasons and excuses. The first that comes to mind are the anti-maskers, will refuse in a most beligerent manner. The president-elect, has already suggested he will impose a national mandate on public mask wearing and don't be surprised if he doesn't take executive action to make vaccination mandatory.
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Post by clb6110 on Dec 21, 2020 9:08:51 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying but I'll add my 2 cents. I just returned from a week in the Fla panhandle. Very nice BTW 1st time in that area. I'm only talking about my experiences recently in that part of the state. Fla residents up that way are mostly anti masks and from what I'd gather are anti Pres elect. We accidently found ourselves traveling in a car opposite of a very large Christmas parade. Thousands of people minimal masks and even several Trump flags waving. We only went in a few restaurants and then early afternoon and masks were non existent,luckily very few people at that hour so we could really spread out. I agree with you in that it needs near total participation but I'm afraid your final 3 points are going to be issues. Especially if Biden tries to impose a mandate or EO. Many will rebel. Just my opinion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 21, 2020 11:31:00 GMT -5
We are embarking on a full blown assault on this deadly virus. The vaccine has been administered to medical personell and first responders here in Florida. Nursing home residents are being vaccinated during the 2nd stage of our attack. Florida Governor DeSantis announced a goal of having everyone in Florida vaccinated by sometime in February. very ambitious goals and I hope he proves correct. In order for this to be totally effective, it needs near total participation. I'm guessing there will be a large segment that will elect to opt out, for a million different reasons and excuses. The first that comes to mind are the anti-maskers, will refuse in a most beligerent manner. The president-elect, has already suggested he will impose a national mandate on public mask wearing and don't be surprised if he doesn't take executive action to make vaccination mandatory. It just doesn't matter. Those that get vaccinated can't be infected and thus can't spread it. They have no reason to wear a mask. Those that don't want to be vaccinated and don't wear masks will either get it and die or live and have natural immunity. Their choice. They can only spread it to other non-mask wearers and anti-vaccine people. Those hospitalized will far fewer. ALL business will be open and all schools will return to normal, but if you don't have your vaccination card you should not be permitted to enter businesses, restaurants, bars, gyms, schools or their events. Their choice. THE virus will never go away completely. You will most likely have to be vaccinated every year, like getting a flu shot every year. EXCEPT a flu shot is only 45% to 50% affective, while THE virus vaccine works 95% of the time. Those that choose not to be vaccinated every year will infect each other and get sick every year. Their choice.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 21, 2020 11:40:18 GMT -5
We are embarking on a full blown assault on this deadly virus. The vaccine has been administered to medical personell and first responders here in Florida. Nursing home residents are being vaccinated during the 2nd stage of our attack. Florida Governor DeSantis announced a goal of having everyone in Florida vaccinated by sometime in February. very ambitious goals and I hope he proves correct. In order for this to be totally effective, it needs near total participation. I'm guessing there will be a large segment that will elect to opt out, for a million different reasons and excuses. The first that comes to mind are the anti-maskers, will refuse in a most beligerent manner. The president-elect, has already suggested he will impose a national mandate on public mask wearing and don't be surprised if he doesn't take executive action to make vaccination mandatory. It just doesn't matter. Those that get vaccinated can't be infected and thus can't spread it. They have no reason to wear a mask. Those that don't want to be vaccinated and don't wear masks will either get it and die or live and have natural immunity. Their choice. They can only spread it to other non-mask wearers and anti-vaccine people. Those hospitalized will far fewer. ALL business will be open and all schools will return to normal, but if you don't have your vaccination card you will not be permitted to enter any business, school or their events. Your choice. Very well stated and certainly makes sense. Thank you for your explanation and slant on things. The vaccination card issuance never entered my mind. That answers another lingering question that I was thinking about. How do they keep track of those, who are due for their booster shot, three weeks later. Answer is rather simple, get in line, show them your vaccination card, your I.D. and roll your sleeve up.
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