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Post by whippetfan on Feb 17, 2021 20:55:24 GMT -5
RV wins 71-68 ending Shelby’s 22-game conference winning streak. Dug themselves too big a hole in the fourth quarter. Were able to fight back and tie it up, but missed free throws all night and RV made enough free throws down the stretch to win. Shelby played sloppy and probably only made two from long distance all night. Hoping they can learn from this as they wrap up the season Friday and head into tournaments.
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Post by mrsteel on Feb 19, 2021 20:59:08 GMT -5
Shelby-113 Pleasant-65 Final
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Post by lozenger4 on Feb 20, 2021 7:45:21 GMT -5
Shelby-113 Pleasant-65 Final Well that’s not nice.
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Post by dude on Feb 20, 2021 10:00:23 GMT -5
Shelby-113 Pleasant-65 Final Well that’s not nice. What, you don't think a 48 point win can happen and still be nice. HAHAHAHAHA
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Post by whippetfan on Feb 20, 2021 10:44:55 GMT -5
Shelby sets a school for points in a game topping the old record of 111 set during Seigfried’s senior year in 1957. Watched the replay this morning and they just played their normal fast paced style the entire game, even the entire fourth quarter when all of the JV players played. Pugh and Lantz almost outscored them by themselves (34 and 27). Great bounce back game after the RV loss. Should give them the confidence and energy they needed to start their tourney run.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 20, 2021 10:58:54 GMT -5
There are coaches that would NEVER do that to a team. I've seen a coach with a BIG lead in the second half stop pressing, play an easy zone instead of their normal in your face man defense and tell his players to walk it up the court.
Hopefully a young inexperienced coach will come to realize how to be respected by his peers.
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Post by wallpass on Feb 20, 2021 11:05:49 GMT -5
SMH - 113-65 - I would say they should have been tackling players and making them pay every time they shot the ball but I watched Pleasant's football team this fall and it is obvious to me that they don't know how to do that either. It's one thing to not have the talent to stay with another team but it is unacceptable to not have the pride or heart to stop them. If every starter didn't foul out, they should be stuck on the bench.
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Post by whippetfan on Feb 20, 2021 11:28:31 GMT -5
I didn’t see it as running up the score. They simply out-hustled their opponent all night on both ends of the floor. Multiple instances of diving for loose balls and beating them down the floor for easy shots. And you can’t fault the reserves who come in for playing hard as well. They get limited minutes as it is on varsity and want to make an impression. Could they have slowed things down, sure. But when you shoot 65% from the field and drain 13 threes the score is going to be lopsided. I have no problem with any team doing what Shelby did last night. You should dominate teams that aren’t at your level.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 20, 2021 11:45:56 GMT -5
If you’re upset with that score you are probably old like me. A generation ago we didn’t embarrass other teams. It’s a different world. Now people want to win big for “style points.” We can thank college football for that. You don’t just want to win you want to win big. In high school we also have to keep our college prospects’ averages up and get them good game film. In college they need their numbers up to improve their draft stock.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 20, 2021 14:00:51 GMT -5
Shelby's previous record of 111 points came in 1957 when they held Willard to under 50 points. I don't know what the culture about running up the score was back then, but it certainly isn't THAT new of a phenomena.
It wasn't even Shelby's biggest (or 2nd biggest) margin of victory this season. When I was a junior & senior at Shelby, the boys team dropped a 41 and 36 point victories at some point during those two years. Obviously different circumstances when you score over 100...110...but I still see no harm here. If a team can go 8-13, then they have had enough W's for me not to feel sorry when they get a train dropped on them during another team's last home regular season game. These are high schoolers, they aren't daisies. Some of my biggest moments of improvement in life came after the most embarrassing moments I've had. I can't imagine anyone on Pleasant's team is going to quit their basketball career because they lost by 48 to what could be a regional-bound team. In fact, some of the best nostalgic sports stories I have with friends from our high school days were the moments where we got absolutely pounded.
If it means Pleasant exacts revenge someday, fine. Let them work hard to rise up to that task.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 20, 2021 14:43:24 GMT -5
All valid points.
I’m sure the pendulum swings on such opinions.
Most 40-60 year olds probably remember being taught to take their foot off the gas a little when you’re up that big.
The previous record may have been fueled because it was against a rival in Willard.
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Post by pirate80 on Feb 20, 2021 16:10:35 GMT -5
Not sure about running it up in a non rivalry game. But you won't ever see this guy feeling bad for Pleasant. They put a few 70-0's on my fellow Pirates and I on the gridiron.
But like was alluded to earlier, in a beating like that, everyone should have been fouling out on principle.
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Post by buckeye33 on Feb 20, 2021 16:55:13 GMT -5
Shelby wins by 48, people get mad. Ontario wins by 43, nothing said.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 20, 2021 18:23:10 GMT -5
All valid points. I’m sure the pendulum swings on such opinions. Most 40-60 year olds probably remember being taught to take their foot off the gas a little when you’re up that big. The previous record may have been fueled because it was against a rival in Willard. These games sometimes seem blatantly bad, I think this one was a little more innocent than usual. I don't think it's ridiculous to raise questions at a score involving 113 points. I just happened to pick my side. Your points about the grandstanding for college recruiting aren't lost on me though. In all fairness, I coached a YMCA youth team a few years ago and pulled up once we had a lead of 20. The young kids aren't completely in the dark about the etiquette. And the Globe today has it that Shelby pulled the starters and primary bench players after 3Q. Shelby had 24 in that quarter, Pleasant 20. I find that acceptable, others don't. Meh. I think
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 20, 2021 20:50:12 GMT -5
Shelby wins by 48, people get mad. Ontario wins by 43, nothing said. Incorrect data
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 20, 2021 20:52:40 GMT -5
Shelby's previous record of 111 points came in 1957 when they held Willard to under 50 points. I don't know what the culture about running up the score was back then, but it certainly isn't THAT new of a phenomena. It wasn't even Shelby's biggest (or 2nd biggest) margin of victory this season. When I was a junior & senior at Shelby, the boys team dropped a 41 and 36 point victories at some point during those two years. Obviously different circumstances when you score over 100...110...but I still see no harm here. If a team can go 8-13, then they have had enough W's for me not to feel sorry when they get a train dropped on them during another team's last home regular season game. These are high schoolers, they aren't daisies. Some of my biggest moments of improvement in life came after the most embarrassing moments I've had. I can't imagine anyone on Pleasant's team is going to quit their basketball career because they lost by 48 to what could be a regional-bound team. In fact, some of the best nostalgic sports stories I have with friends from our high school days were the moments where we got absolutely pounded. If it means Pleasant exacts revenge someday, fine. Let them work hard to rise up to that task. Your saying Pleasant's coach is a vengeful person? More insults
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Post by wallpass on Feb 20, 2021 20:56:55 GMT -5
Please do not misunderstand my post as blaming Shelby for running up the score. This is varsity basketball not a 5th grade game. If you put in your reserves and they are still running away with it (apart from pressing a team), I say fair enough. As a Pleasant grad and supporter I have been on the winning side of a lot of these games in the past, as Pirate80 alluded to above. No, my problem is with the Pleasant players and coaches. Maybe it is because they had a bunch of freshmen playing, I don't know but you would have had to make a lot of free throws in the 4Q when I played. Our coaches would have gotten the second string in the game and told them to get in their face and do not allow them to shoot. Getting outhustled and giving up easy shots would have been grounds for instant removal from the game by the coaches back then.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 20, 2021 21:31:32 GMT -5
All valid points. I’m sure the pendulum swings on such opinions. Most 40-60 year olds probably remember being taught to take their foot off the gas a little when you’re up that big. The previous record may have been fueled because it was against a rival in Willard. These games sometimes seem blatantly bad, I think this one was a little more innocent than usual. I don't think it's ridiculous to raise questions at a score involving 113 points. I just happened to pick my side. Your points about the grandstanding for college recruiting aren't lost on me though. In all fairness, I coached a YMCA youth team a few years ago and pulled up once we had a lead of 20. The young kids aren't completely in the dark about the etiquette. And the Globe today has it that Shelby pulled the starters and primary bench players after 3Q. Shelby had 24 in that quarter, Pleasant 20. I find that acceptable, others don't. Meh. I think And everyone is an expert on a message board hiding behind their keyboard. Most on here know me and I know you. We’d both say the same thing in person without the keyboard and I know you know what you’re talking about.
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Post by buckeye33 on Feb 21, 2021 7:23:53 GMT -5
Shelby wins by 48, people get mad. Ontario wins by 43, nothing said. Incorrect data . What’s incorrect? Shelby 113/Pleasant 65= 48 points. Ontario 72/Galion29=43 points
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 8:51:46 GMT -5
There are coaches that would NEVER do that to a team. I've seen a coach with a BIG lead in the second half stop pressing, play an easy zone instead of their normal in your face man defense and tell his players to walk it up the court. Hopefully a young inexperienced coach will come to realize how to be respected by his peers. For as much basketball as you claim to watch. I’m assuming you’ve never watched Berlin Hiland boys or girls play or Africentric boys or girls or Harvest prep. Zanesville rosecrans boys 10 years ago when they had their runs.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 21, 2021 11:34:48 GMT -5
PAY ATTENTION....There are coaches that would NEVER do that to a team.
You don't have a problem with the Shelby coach being put in the same negative light as Africentric? BTW, the quality of this Shelby team is not close to the teams you proffered. My basketball watching tells me your post is nonsensical as those schools have a combined total of over 35 Final Fours. Will Shelby get their first ever this year??
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 21, 2021 11:38:04 GMT -5
. What’s incorrect? Shelby 113/Pleasant 65= 48 points. Ontario 72/Galion29=43 points Those with a sound intellect don't compare apples to oranges.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:56:43 GMT -5
PAY ATTENTION....There are coaches that would NEVER do that to a team. You don't have a problem with the Shelby coach being put in the same negative light as Africentric? BTW, the quality of this Shelby team is not close to the teams you proffered. My basketball watching tells me those were State Championship teams. Regardless of State championship teams or not those teams still play their same level and don’t change for anyone. Even on the years they aren’t state champions they still do it and to my acknowledge Berlin hiland boys haven’t won a state title in a few years. Berlin beat Indian valley 101-8. And are far from a state championship team this year. You think schlabach said ok guys time to stop pressing. Your sadly mistaken.
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Post by dude on Feb 21, 2021 11:57:47 GMT -5
Shelby's previous record of 111 points came in 1957 when they held Willard to under 50 points. I don't know what the culture about running up the score was back then, but it certainly isn't THAT new of a phenomena. I saw Willard also gave up 100 to Crestline that season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:59:26 GMT -5
. What’s incorrect? Shelby 113/Pleasant 65= 48 points. Ontario 72/Galion29=43 points The great state of Ontario is different standards than all!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 21, 2021 12:05:23 GMT -5
"regardless" ROFL
Those with any intellect know that there are a few girls teams now and then that don't have anyone on their roster that can dribble a ball more than twice with losing it and can't get the ball close to the rim on an open shot. Are you seriously comparing Shelby boys basketball to girls basketball now? You have ZERO knowledge what schlabach[sic] said in that game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:08:20 GMT -5
PAY ATTENTION....There are coaches that would NEVER do that to a team. You don't have a problem with the Shelby coach being put in the same negative light as Africentric? BTW, the quality of this Shelby team is not close to the teams you proffered. My basketball watching tells me your post is nonsensical as those schools have a combined total of over 35 Final Fours. Will Shelby get their first ever this year?? Your correct on those totals absolutely! Do you think them coaches got their program standards to that level by saying “ok guys we have to play nice tonight cause this team isn’t very good” to my knowledge pleasant isn’t a bottom tier team. Believe they have won 8 games on the season? And upset Ontario? And just lost to River Valley on a last second buzzer beater?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:09:28 GMT -5
"regardless" ROFL Those with any intellect know that there are a few girls teams now and then that don't have anyone on their roster that can dribble a ball more than twice with losing it and can't get the ball close to the rim on an open shot. Are you seriously comparing Shelby boys basketball to girls basketball now? You have ZERO knowledge what schlabach[sic] said in that game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:10:23 GMT -5
"regardless" ROFL Those with any intellect know that there are a few girls teams now and then that don't have anyone on their roster that can dribble a ball more than twice with losing it and can't get the ball close to the rim on an open shot. Are you seriously comparing Shelby boys basketball to girls basketball now? You have ZERO knowledge what schlabach[sic] said in that game. That’s actually a boys score
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 21, 2021 12:14:23 GMT -5
. What’s incorrect? Shelby 113/Pleasant 65= 48 points. Ontario 72/Galion29=43 points The great state of Ontario is different standards than all! Don't be illogical. Compare results of games against the same teams. The state of your mind has different standards than all!
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