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Post by richrod on Sept 19, 2021 17:34:33 GMT -5
Last year after 5 games compared to this season. 3-2 West Holmes 5-0 Wooster 5-0 Ashland 0-5 Lexington 1-4 Mansfield 2-3 Mt. Vernon 0-5 Madison 5-0 West Holmes 3-2 Wooster 1-4 Ashland 2-3 Lexington 3-2 Mansfield 1-4 Mt. Vernon 0-3 Madison and last year they didn't have to play many OOC games. That is why I am saying the league is down this year. They aren't winning games outside of the conference that they should win or be more competitive in. Its alright to have a down year, these things cycle. Mansfield IMO won't be as big of a threat until they move the ball and score consistently on offense.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 19, 2021 19:17:39 GMT -5
That is exactly what the Senior coach said after losing to TC. At least this week he said "we" instead of point fingers at players. He said the coaches were responsible for getting the offense to play better. They had to find a way to get the ball into the hands of their play makers. He implied there would be changes in the starting lineup due to too many players making the same mistakes over and over. Look for a change at QB. Against good teams he struggles to compete 50% of his passes to the play makers.
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Post by dude on Sept 19, 2021 21:01:21 GMT -5
and last year they didn't have to play many OOC games. That is why I am saying the league is down this year. They aren't winning games outside of the conference that they should win or be more competitive in. Its alright to have a down year, these things cycle. Mansfield IMO won't be as big of a threat until they move the ball and score consistently on offense. two years ago Ashland 1-4 Lexington 1-4 madison 0-5 Mansfield 5-0 Mt Vernon 4-1 west Holmes 2-3 wooster 2-3
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Post by sbclives on Sept 19, 2021 23:05:17 GMT -5
Ashland went from 1-4 two years ago to 5-0 the next year and is now 1-4. No consistency with that at all.
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Post by richrod on Sept 20, 2021 6:35:35 GMT -5
Ashland went from 1-4 two years ago to 5-0 the next year and is now 1-4. No consistency with that at all. well last year they had played mostly league schools to this point because of covid.
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Post by richrod on Sept 20, 2021 6:38:34 GMT -5
and last year they didn't have to play many OOC games. That is why I am saying the league is down this year. They aren't winning games outside of the conference that they should win or be more competitive in. Its alright to have a down year, these things cycle. Mansfield IMO won't be as big of a threat until they move the ball and score consistently on offense. two years ago Ashland 1-4 Lexington 1-4 madison 0-5 Mansfield 5-0 Mt Vernon 4-1 west Holmes 2-3 wooster 2-3 So based on even 2 years ago, once could say the league is consistently weak against non conference opponents, right? Didn't Ashland rattle off like 4 or 5 wins in a row 2019 after they got into league play? In order for this league to be better, madison, mt. vernon, and lex need to be more competitive year in and year out. Even when they have a lack of talent. Also, adding New Philadelphia will be interesting to say the least. I am also hoping West Holmes sustains this success because it only helps the league.
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Post by dude on Sept 20, 2021 6:57:08 GMT -5
two years ago Ashland 1-4 Lexington 1-4 madison 0-5 Mansfield 5-0 Mt Vernon 4-1 west Holmes 2-3 wooster 2-3 So based on even 2 years ago, once could say the league is consistently weak against non conference opponents, right? Didn't Ashland rattle off like 4 or 5 wins in a row 2019 after they got into league play? In order for this league to be better, madison, mt. vernon, and lex need to be more competitive year in and year out. Even when they have a lack of talent. Also, adding New Philadelphia will be interesting to say the least. I am also hoping West Holmes sustains this success because it only helps the league. Ashland went 3-2 in second half of 2019 season. I am not debating what it takes to make the OCC better. My response is to someone saying the league is "down". Past records show the league is about average for where it normally is. I agree with you, teams or programs can go in cycles. The thing we need to understand is the HIGH seasons are not the normal. So far this season is on par for a normal OCC. In a normal season the OCC is not known for putting 4-5 teams in the playoffs. A normal year can get 2-3 in and it normally lasts for 1-2 playoff weeks.
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Post by richrod on Sept 20, 2021 8:16:06 GMT -5
So based on even 2 years ago, once could say the league is consistently weak against non conference opponents, right? Didn't Ashland rattle off like 4 or 5 wins in a row 2019 after they got into league play? In order for this league to be better, madison, mt. vernon, and lex need to be more competitive year in and year out. Even when they have a lack of talent. Also, adding New Philadelphia will be interesting to say the least. I am also hoping West Holmes sustains this success because it only helps the league. Ashland went 3-2 in second half of 2019 season. I am not debating what it takes to make the OCC better. My response is to someone saying the league is "down". Past records show the league is about average for where it normally is. I agree with you, teams or programs can go in cycles. The thing we need to understand is the HIGH seasons are not the normal. So far this season is on par for a normal OCC. In a normal season the OCC is not known for putting 4-5 teams in the playoffs. A normal year can get 2-3 in and it normally lasts for 1-2 playoff weeks. yeah, I agree with you. I just feel like this year, I am not sure how good the top teams really are yet. WH to me will be interesting to watch come playoff time.
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Post by dude on Sept 20, 2021 8:39:30 GMT -5
Ashland went 3-2 in second half of 2019 season. I am not debating what it takes to make the OCC better. My response is to someone saying the league is "down". Past records show the league is about average for where it normally is. I agree with you, teams or programs can go in cycles. The thing we need to understand is the HIGH seasons are not the normal. So far this season is on par for a normal OCC. In a normal season the OCC is not known for putting 4-5 teams in the playoffs. A normal year can get 2-3 in and it normally lasts for 1-2 playoff weeks. yeah, I agree with you. I just feel like this year, I am not sure how good the top teams really are yet. WH to me will be interesting to watch come playoff time. In a normal season the OCC does not have multiple teams making long playoff runs. WH should have a chance to win a couple and Mansfield may as well if they get some minor issues figured out.
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Post by unc4life on Sept 21, 2021 9:27:34 GMT -5
The OCC historically is good for 1 of 2 teams that have a good post season run. Usually being the smaller schools in the conference. Wooster is the one team that has consistently made the playoffs, but has not done very well. In fact, I couldn't find the last time they won a playoff game, but they have made the playoffs the last 3 years. Mansfield had the big run in 2019 to the State Finals, Lexington had a good run in 2016, West Holmes had a good run last year, along with Ashland.
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Post by dude on Sept 21, 2021 10:08:37 GMT -5
The OCC historically is good for 1 of 2 teams that have a good post season run. Usually being the smaller schools in the conference. Wooster is the one team that has consistently made the playoffs, but has not done very well. In fact, I couldn't find the last time they won a playoff game, but they have made the playoffs the last 3 years. Mansfield had the big run in 2019 to the State Finals, Lexington had a good run in 2016, West Holmes had a good run last year, along with Ashland. Exactly my point. The OCC is not a football power and this year is an average year so far. The OCC has had a few good years but that is not the normal. To say this is a down year for the OCC is wrong in my opinion and not fair to the team or teams that are doing good.
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Post by unc4life on Sept 21, 2021 11:17:39 GMT -5
The OCC historically is good for 1 of 2 teams that have a good post season run. Usually being the smaller schools in the conference. Wooster is the one team that has consistently made the playoffs, but has not done very well. In fact, I couldn't find the last time they won a playoff game, but they have made the playoffs the last 3 years. Mansfield had the big run in 2019 to the State Finals, Lexington had a good run in 2016, West Holmes had a good run last year, along with Ashland. Exactly my point. The OCC is not a football power and this year is an average year so far. The OCC has had a few good years but that is not the normal. To say this is a down year for the OCC is wrong in my opinion and not fair to the team or teams that are doing good. Correct, I'm not even sure what a "down" year in the OCC would be? Seems like the OCC is set up that someone is going to make the playoffs every year. Now with the new playoff system, who knows, but the OCC has never been a top to bottom great league. There is consistently one or two teams every year that play well...I think some of that has to do with the sizes of the schools.
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Post by ryman11677 on Sept 21, 2021 20:17:58 GMT -5
Well let’s see how west Holmes does this week with Wooster. If you remember the days when John cooper couldn’t beat Michigan when head coach at Ohio state? This feels the same way with west Holmes and Wooster. We have had several years during this 11 year losing streak we should have beaten them. If this year isn’t the year we better just give up then
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Post by unc4life on Sept 22, 2021 13:33:38 GMT -5
I'm still not sure what to think about Wooster. None of there wins have come against an opponent with a winning record. 0-5 Orrville, 0-5 Louisville, 2-3 Lexington. Even their losses have come to a 1-4 Wadsworth and a 3-2 St V's. I guess we will see this week what type of team they have.
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Post by dude on Sept 22, 2021 13:49:10 GMT -5
This could be the year for West Holmes to do it?
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Post by unc4life on Sept 24, 2021 8:13:37 GMT -5
A couple key games to watch tonight in the OCC.
West Holmes vs Wooster - Big test to see if West Holmes is the top dog in the OCC. With a win tonight the OCC seems to be firm in their grasp. Will also be interesting to see where Wooster really stands.
Lexington vs Mansfield Sr. - Sr has had a rough two weeks. After starting 3-0 they have dropped 2 in a row. Lexington has been playing much better this year. Will be interesting to see if Mansfield can bounce back or if Lex can get the big win.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 24, 2021 22:31:41 GMT -5
They got it done...
West Holmes 41 Wooster 37 Final
Anyone know the details?
Ashland 20 Madison 7 Senior 23 Lex 14 Watkins Memorial 53 Mt. Vernon 21
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Post by ryman11677 on Sept 25, 2021 10:22:39 GMT -5
Of course I’m glad west Holmes won but nobody should be happy with the sloppy turnovers. We got to clean that up. I know they are just kids but when you give Wooster or any team 2 drives of 20 yards and 30 yards to score it’s tough to overcome
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Post by dude on Sept 25, 2021 16:12:14 GMT -5
You can be happy when you play poorly and still win.
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Post by sbclives on Sept 25, 2021 16:36:32 GMT -5
You can be happy when you play poorly and still win. I disagree. If it’s late in the season and you’re still playing sloppy and having turnover troubles it’ll cost you in a game against Shelby in a couple weeks or a playoff game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 25, 2021 20:21:24 GMT -5
Of course I’m glad west Holmes won but nobody should be happy with the sloppy turnovers. We got to clean that up. I know they are just kids but when you give Wooster or any team 2 drives of 20 yards and 30 yards to score it’s tough to overcome Be happy, many thought Wooster would win
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Post by ryman11677 on Sept 26, 2021 10:05:48 GMT -5
I’m happy this game means more to me than any other game on schedule. But we got to get better
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Post by unc4life on Sept 26, 2021 12:53:52 GMT -5
Don’t look now but Ashland is right back in the playoff hunt!! Lol Got to love the 16 team playoff.
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Post by ryman11677 on Sept 26, 2021 13:31:19 GMT -5
This is so stupid stop with 12 I mean if you can at least win half games you shouldn’t get playoffs
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Post by sbclives on Sept 26, 2021 14:13:18 GMT -5
This is so stupid stop with 12 I mean if you can at least win half games you shouldn’t get playoffs It happens every year in the NBA and even the NHL has had teams with losing records make it. NCAA does it with the NIT and that other tournament they have now. As long as there is money to be made there is no line that can’t be crossed.
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Post by dude on Sept 26, 2021 15:36:57 GMT -5
You can be happy when you play poorly and still win. I disagree. If it’s late in the season and you’re still playing sloppy and having turnover troubles it’ll cost you in a game against Shelby in a couple weeks or a playoff game. It's high school kids and sometimes they have off days. IF you can have an off day and still get the win, you can be happy about that.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2021 21:52:43 GMT -5
WH 27 Lex 10 Senior 28 Ashland 24 Wooster 39 Mt.V 7 Harding 57 Madison 21
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Post by sbclives on Oct 1, 2021 22:44:38 GMT -5
What happened with Mansfield Senior? Close call with Ashland.
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Post by dude on Oct 2, 2021 12:29:31 GMT -5
Ashland has played a tough schedule and is getting better.
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Post by smitty1974 on Oct 2, 2021 15:56:12 GMT -5
plus mansfield sr came from behind by 10 to win it with 1:09 left in the games left sbclives and add ashland failed on their extra point conversions and wmfd pointed that out.
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