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Willard
May 15, 2016 21:06:37 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 21:06:37 GMT -5
Goodbye, scooter. If it will shut you up, you win. This topic was about the hiring and renewing Long. Just like every topic you get involved in, this is how it ends up. Go ahead, and have the last word. It's not about winning or losing to me. It's about having differences of opinions and understanding all sides. If you were not in favor or the current coach's original hire then his record would mean nothing to you as you had already judged him before. That's what I was saying lately. In the beginning I was not defending the coach as much as I was the position and how difficult it can be with parents or people who do not know what it takes to do the job. As I've said many times, I enjoy sports and look at these discussions like a group of guys sitting at the local pub talking sports. Nothing is personal for me.
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Willard
May 17, 2016 9:40:59 GMT -5
Post by My2sons on May 17, 2016 9:40:59 GMT -5
"Nothing is personal for me."
Huge lie and/or good meds.
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Willard
May 17, 2016 10:29:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 10:29:18 GMT -5
It is the honest truth. I enjoy the discussions with any and all. I have never turned off this or the previous site with any hard feelings towards any poster. In fact I have carried many conversations with people thru private messages about stuff said on here. It's all just good conversation to me, and believe it or not I have learned many things during those talks.
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Willard
May 17, 2016 15:07:33 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on May 17, 2016 15:07:33 GMT -5
Hmmmm even the admitted to internet games played with untruths? I can recall PMs more out of line than what is seen by all.
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Willard
May 17, 2016 22:11:25 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 22:11:25 GMT -5
Once again you misread into things.
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Willard
May 18, 2016 23:46:05 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on May 18, 2016 23:46:05 GMT -5
No, you have a selective memory. Let me refresh. There is an indelible imprint in my memory, it was so shocking. Several months ago when the "southern league" possibilities were being discussed. Off hand you mentioned that Lex and Madison were considering that league. A month or so later you told us Lex would NEVER leave the OCC. I brought back up your post about Lex and Madison looking at the "southern league". You explained that away by saying that was just internet gamesmanship. Since admitting to that, everything you say must be taken with a grain of salt.
AND you called me MUCH worse things in the ONLY PM chat we had, then the many public chats we've had.
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Willard
May 19, 2016 7:50:51 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 7:50:51 GMT -5
It is a true that many guys have considered buying a sports car that can go really fast and sounds awesome and looks really cool. It is also true that those same guys when it comes time to purchase will never buy such a car because it is not what they really want.
Lexington and Madison were both in the discussion of the possibility of changing leagues. IT is also true that Lexington and Madison will not leave the OCC as long as it is in existence.
So I guess you know better than to PM me ever again.
Best of luck Willard sports teams. I hope as the changes happen with your new league you get all the results you were looking for.
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Willard
May 20, 2016 18:51:49 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on May 20, 2016 18:51:49 GMT -5
Lex and Madison might have talked to each other, but that was it. Remember that grain of salt thing.
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Willard
May 20, 2016 20:04:33 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 20:04:33 GMT -5
Lex and Madison talk to each other regularly, but that is not what I was speaking of.
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Willard
May 20, 2016 21:38:10 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on May 20, 2016 21:38:10 GMT -5
Then be specific, who did Lex and Madison officials talk to and why? Remember, you told us it was just you making up internet BS, Lex would NEVER leave the OCC.
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Post by My2sons on May 20, 2016 21:52:18 GMT -5
I see that you are finally warming up to this site, WF. Good.
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Willard
May 20, 2016 22:13:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 22:13:17 GMT -5
I said they spoke and they did. I also said they would not leave and they haven't. Neither, at this time have any interest in the remaining time of the MOAC.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 21, 2016 21:03:23 GMT -5
But you did not say who Lex and Madison spoke to, other then with themselves. Who else did they speak to and what did they speak about? No more of the admitted internet BS.
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Willard
May 21, 2016 22:55:42 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 22:55:42 GMT -5
As I said before, they spoke with officials of the MOAC about the MOAC expansion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 22, 2016 14:51:17 GMT -5
Your comments about Lex and Madison interest, then saying Lex would never leave the OCC. Explaining away the disparity by saying you were just playing internet games. Was BEFORE that, they were made when talks among some schools were on going about forming a new "southern" league. Again you're confused or being evasive.
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May 22, 2016 20:20:36 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 20:20:36 GMT -5
I am being neither. I am simply confirming that discussions were made and no movement has happened as I was told. Did not Ontario have discussions with OCC officials in past. But even you will admit they never had any interest in joining the OCC. It happens.
Since the topic is Willard I do have a question on that. Is the SBC the final position they were looking for now that divisions have been set up or will this only be a step towards the league they want. Of course this would all be opinion and thoughts so there is no right or wrong response.
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May 23, 2016 12:50:43 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on May 23, 2016 12:50:43 GMT -5
ONE TIME when the NCC was breaking up Ontario was interested in the OCC. IF and ONLY if a 2 Division small/large league could be worked out, that included Galion, Upper and Ontario who were being kicked out of the NCC and Shelby. The OCC failed, Ontario moved on and went with #2 option and joined the NOL.
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Post by ronburgandy on May 23, 2016 14:19:12 GMT -5
And here I thought maybe with the new website that these arguments would end. What was I thinking?
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May 23, 2016 17:00:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 17:00:58 GMT -5
ONE TIME when the NCC was breaking up Ontario was interested in the OCC. IF and ONLY if a 2 Division small/large league could be worked out, that included Galion, Upper and Ontario who were being kicked out of the NCC and Shelby. The OCC failed, Ontario moved on and went with #2 option and joined the NOL. So it has happened. And it does happen to other schools also. For the record the OCC did not fail at anything. They spoke with schools they wanted in a potential expansion since schools were looking at options. They never saw it as a succeed or fail situation, simply an offer.
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Willard
May 24, 2016 0:05:05 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on May 24, 2016 0:05:05 GMT -5
The point is, your time frame is not how it happened. Your "talks" by Lex and Madison did not occur during the "new Southern league" discussions. As you even admit they were during the MOAC discussions. That could be, don't know. I DO KNOW you admitting to internet games to CYA in your reversal of what you said about Lex never happened until after the "new Southern League" discussions ended.
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May 24, 2016 5:44:22 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 5:44:22 GMT -5
The MOAC schools were the discussions. Without them there was no league. Get over it.
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Willard
May 24, 2016 20:06:46 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on May 24, 2016 20:06:46 GMT -5
You're not paying attention, your brain is impervious.
There were TWO DIFFERENT discussions in which MOAC schools were involved. THE FIRST discussions were in hopes of creating a NEW "southern" League. The ONLY MOAC schools involved in those discussions were Pleasant, River Valley, Galion and to some extent Harding. THAT was the time frame when you said Lex and Madison were looking at joining the NEW "southern" league. A month later you said that Lex, never mentioning Madison, would NEVER leave the OCC. I brought up what you said about Lex joining the MOAC and you explained that away by saying it was just your way of playing internet games. That league failed to materialize. As did your internet games
The SECOND discussions involving MOAC schools came about to save the MOAC. The 6 that remained of the 14 school MOAC league: Harding, Pleasant, RV, Galion, North Union and Buckeye Valley decided to invite CF and Ontario to join to make an 8 school MOAC. This was LONG after your false claim, since you later said it was just an internet game.
Since your admission of playing games to CYA, your word can't be trusted. Give it up.
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May 24, 2016 20:36:29 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 20:36:29 GMT -5
You are the one not paying attention. There were never two discussions. there were options thrown out to a number of schools but in the end, only Clear Fork and Ontario moved. Lex and Madison was involved in discussion with MOAC schools and a league. Stated and agreed. This never materialized because certain schools were not leaving their current leagues. This would include OCC AND MOAC schools. The MOAC stated it would be a league of 6 if need be and would wait for others to join them. This was not needed due to Clear Fork and Ontario wanting to join. All truths and there were no games played. Your creative mind cannot allow things to be said in a simple form. You seem to always have a conspiracy theory about every comment made.
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May 25, 2016 10:25:58 GMT -5
Post by ScarletFever on May 25, 2016 10:25:58 GMT -5
And here I thought maybe with the new website that these arguments would end. What was I thinking? I'm all for open debate, but I haven't heard one constructive criticism of Long. Just vague statements like 'They had a chance to hire better and didn't'. John Wooden isn't banging down the door to coach at Willard in 2016. Long's fighting an apathetic city with 'me first' kids & parents + a shallow talent pool. When he wants to discipline kids on the team for screwing around, he gets vetoed due to parents in power. Still managed to snag some sectional nets. I'm not sure what the heck else we want out of him?
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Post by ScarletFever on May 25, 2016 10:27:26 GMT -5
I'd also like to take the time to remind everyone this new site has a block feature.
It also has a neat direct message center for having discussions with another person privately.
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May 25, 2016 11:14:03 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 11:14:03 GMT -5
I have heard some similar things. This can really hurt chemistry and drag down moral when things are tough and a team is challenged.
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May 25, 2016 14:41:57 GMT -5
Post by ronburgandy on May 25, 2016 14:41:57 GMT -5
And here I thought maybe with the new website that these arguments would end. What was I thinking? I'm all for open debate, but I haven't heard one constructive criticism of Long. Just vague statements like 'They had a chance to hire better and didn't'. John Wooden isn't banging down the door to coach at Willard in 2016. Long's fighting an apathetic city with 'me first' kids & parents + a shallow talent pool. When he wants to discipline kids on the team for screwing around, he gets vetoed due to parents in power. Still managed to snag some sectional nets. I'm not sure what the heck else we want out of him? I meant the Fillmore/scooter arguments.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 25, 2016 16:13:37 GMT -5
scooter would never do it, he must always show everyone that he gets the last word. So I took this off line. I apologize for any inconvenience.
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May 26, 2016 5:48:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 5:48:45 GMT -5
Ron, it's just two guys talking sports and anything connected to them. Jump in and be a part at any time.
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May 26, 2016 10:05:18 GMT -5
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Post by bigox on May 26, 2016 10:05:18 GMT -5
Not a criticism of Long but the Flashes are 35-39 under him since 2013. He is an alumni so I'm sure his heart is in it. When he played he was a nut so I would expect that from his teams. They have a youth program in place? Hardly the days of Haas but no jailbreak either..
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